We don’t play Michigan. We are behind IU.
We are behind iu, but we aren't far. I have us at 6-7 wins and them at 7-8.
Nope. During that period, Purdue ran their program in the ground (somewhat hope and hazell) while iu started rebuilding (wilson).Now ask yourself.. did you feel that way in 2009?
This is insane. How do you determine the QB is not "developed" when he's not a RB? Has nothing to do with the QB.
You don't seem to understand that when you make few running attempts, you pass the ball instead. And statistics against bad pass defense teams are pretty meaningless...
okay... fair point.
those teams also "load up" against the pass, making it more difficult to get those "meaningless" statistics.
Posters are saying that O'Connell cannot run or scramble. They implied that he is not Big 10 caliber. I am pointing out that he play 3 games last year and played well with a below average line. Posters are saying that we need a QB who can scramble and I believe they are saying that because our line will not have improved and we need a QB who can run for his life. I really don't care who starts but IF our line is better we need someone who got dramatically better than how O'Connell played last year. However, if our line is better and O'Connell is as good as he was last year with little or no improvement this puts him in the top half of Big 10 QBs. And I am praying he and the line will be much better and that calculates to a top quarter of the Big 10 QBs. I think that those who disagree should go back and reexamine the first 3 games last year. And last year, we got robbed by a ref's call and then I saw the worst game ever by a Purdue team and we never recovered. Based on the second half of last season, a 4-8 record is in order. But based on the 1st 3, I will say 8-4.
If that's the case then why did Brohm abandon the running game?
If you go back two years ago and watch him against Wisconsin in 2019, it doesn’t look like they best the OL straight up. It looks like they bring clever pressures and jump the short stuff so that they get to him before he can prolong the play.
When all you do is pass the ball, you're going to put up huge numbers. That doesn't make it mean anyone's a great QB. Secondarily, if you watched the games, you'll see a lot of yards were given up between the 20's. Then when Purdue got in the red zone, things changed. Yards between the 20's are pretty meaningless when you don't score points.
We are screwed if King Dorue starts then.... have we won a game with him at starting RB? What about Cam Allen? I don't think it's been great. Crap. We are screwed. I don't think anyone on the team has a winning record as a player.
I can't remember the minny game other than Purdue was losing, but Purdue was down 17-0 in the Nebraska game. Also, minor details you left out. Purdue was playing a backup at every interior OL position in those games. O'Connell had the starting OL, where run blocking was better.
Oconnell has been the better QB in a race between two guys who may end up being sub Joey Elliott in terms of how they are remembered.. if I had to bet on one to break away and become affirmatively a good big ten QB, it would be Oconnell and I think it may come this year.
Not sure I agree. Plummer has a higher ceiling. More time to get there. O'Connell is what he is at this point.
He’s not a walk-on anymore. There’s a reason Brohm gave him a scholarship - he earned one.
Tom Brady was so good at Michigan that he didn’t even start in 1999 - Drew Henson did!
Horvath had 10 carries against Northwestern as well, when O'Connell was playing. Brohm abandoned the run after the first two games. There's not much debating that.
Yes that’s why I said Oconnell has been the better QB.
But he hasn’t been bad for a walk on. I just think brohm got a guy in plummer who is going to take until next year if ever you figure it out. If Alaimo and plummer were flipped in their arrival it might be different
What the hell are you talking about? O’Connell is every bit of 6’3”. That’s plenty tall enough to play QB in the BIG.
Dude I’m not saying he’s short but if he was 6’7” it would matter less that he’s slower than molasses. I’m a huge Oconnell fan.. dude has something in his blood that makes me think he’s related to Larry bird late in games..
How many QBs have played at 6’7”+ yards for a P5 Program. Jared Lorenzen from Kentucky? Any more you can think of?
Dude you’re getting butthurt over nothing. Pick a height.. if he was a couple inches taller the slow feet would be less relevant.
O'Connell has also had more time to develop. There is no problem with where Plummer is at in development. Getting hurt freshman year probably hurt it some. Has to take the step this year.
Purdue played from behind did they not? Also, wasn't much room to run on that NU defense. Would you rather have 20 runs and keep going at a wall? 20 for 42 yards isn't better than 10 for 21 yards.
Again, standards like “more than zero improvement” .. is plummer problematic? No. But that also doesn’t mean that to this point, he has become a quality big ten starting QB… a guy that teams in the middle of our league would be happy to plug into their starting spot.
I guess we have two of those then. Sounds like Plummer is beating O'Connell in competition right now. I'd expect it to stay that way. 2 more years of Plummer, then 2 years of Alaimo, then 2 years of Allen. I think my math is right. That's ideal situation.
Plummer has proven nothing beyond that he can throw for a lot of yards in brohm’s offense to talented WRs between the 20s.
You and @Purdue85 keep missing my point. When you abandon the run and do nothing but throw the ball, you put up enormous passing stats between the 20's. The problem with that is when you try to pass inside the 20 every down, it's pretty easy for the passing D to tighten up and safeties don't have to cover deep.
So Purdue is supposed to run into a brick wall hoping the team will suddenly stack more into the box to open up the pass? When a team doesn't have to commit extra guys to stop the run, it's not going to open the pass, regardless of how many times you run, meaning pass is the best option and higher percentage because you aren't wasting a down. If you could run against a team without them committing extra guys, then yes, I agree with you, but Purdue can't and hasn't been able to for 2 years. So why waste the down? It isn't going to open the pass.
For goodness sakes. Are you even listening at this point? My assertion was that many QB's can put up huge numbers when they only focus on the passing game and have 40+ throws a game. My argument was in reference to SDBoiler stating that Plummer led the league in passing yards per game. My point was that it's not as difficult to do when you have that many passing attempts per game.
