Not sure if a 6 foot, 175 lb shooting guard is what Purdue needs. I'd like to see him on the floor against some good AAU competition to see how he does against those types of athletes.
He's essentially IT 2.0 right now.
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Not sure if a 6 foot, 175 lb shooting guard is what Purdue needs. I'd like to see him on the floor against some good AAU competition to see how he does against those types of athletes.
He's essentially IT 2.0 right now.
Hmm me thinks to recall another undersized SG that almost go us to the final four. I’m just a simpleton though
He's the best athlete in Fort Wayne. I would be very surprised if the football offers don't start pouring in. He's a legit stud athleteGood write up about the AAU tourney in Indy this weekend.
Not much on Purdue offers but looks like we are looking at Braunte Johnson
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Let's not get out over out skis. Did you ever watch any video of Edwards from HS? The kid was a dominant athlete with a B10 build, ability to get is own shot, to penetrate, get to the rim, finish, etc.
A much better comparison for this kid is Ryne Smith.
Perhaps you need to lean more out on the tips of your skis? Just saying - faith is believing in the unknown.
But, comparing Edwards and Smith is not a good comparison just based on them both being undersized. Edwards was an elite athlete, Smith is not.
I swear ... some of the arguments you pursue.
I have my ridiculous threads, bantering with people. You seem to seek it out.
To each their own.
I don’t see the comparison to Ryne Smith. Maybe a shorter, quicker Dakota Mathias. I love that he shoots 45% from three, regardless.
I also love that he shoots threes so fluidly off the bounce. In that way, he is like Carsen Edwards.
Maybe Terry Johnson was recruiting him at O$U? Would be a tough get from the Michigan schools.
Yes - but it can also be particularly gratifying in the rare cases when they "cross the border."
Tell me how Smith and Edwards are similar other than them both being undersized? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to understand how we see this so differently.I swear ... some of the arguments you pursue.
I have my ridiculous threads, bantering with people. You seem to seek it out.
To each their own.
Why you sticking up for Skyline Boy all of a sudden?I swear ... some of the arguments you pursue.
I have my ridiculous threads, bantering with people. You seem to seek it out.
To each their own.
And? Who had offered Jaden Ivey when Purdue did?
Who’s Skyline Boy?
Wasn't Ivey a top 100 recruit? I believe he had offers from PU, ND, Butler and iu when he committed.
Ivey committed April, 2019, the end of his Junior year. He was never offered by IU.
At the time he committed, he was unranked by rivals, and was 216th on 24/7.
Implied in your point is that we shouldn't be going after players unless they're "validated" by being recruited by high-profile programs. So, we let other programs do our (recruiting) work for us. Shall we explore all the reasons that's not smart at all? (Rhetorical question)
That's akin to saying, "I'm not going to ask a girl to the prom unless 3 or 4 other guys are asking her, and they have to be the 'right' guys." (Not a perfect analogy, pretty d@mn close.)
There comes a point in time we need to simply allow the coaches to do their jobs and find the right players. It's perfectly fine to have conversations about which appear to be better players, but arguing the point is absurd.
He was, but no school had offered him a scholarship before Purdue did, IIRC. That was the original question posed from Hausta, Lenny.
Also, Indiana did not offer, and he took an unofficial visit to Notre Dame.
laughable that you are comparing Ivey to Smith
uh... I might not be following, but I don't see a "comparison" between two players, rather, using one player as a discussion point for another.
Let's be intellectually honest here, if that's allowed.
There was no comparison between the two players what so ever. The poster was only indicating that measuring a player in his junior year by the offers he has received is a piss-poor way to tell if he is good.
Actually it’s a great way to get a gauge on if the player is p5 level or not for those of us who aren’t scouts.
Then its not even worth bringing up. You're talking about two entirely different players. If the OP wouldve brough up PJ Thompson then it would make more sense but bringing up a wing with a 6'10' wingspan to a 5'11 point guard and going to compare offers at said point in career, doesn't make sense to me.uh... I might not be following, but I don't see a "comparison" between two players, rather, using one player as a discussion point for another.
Let's be intellectually honest here, if that's allowed.
Wha...?
I'm not talking about anything.
Goodness, brother. Let's have a conversation, without going off the rails.
I think I know what the OP's point was without needing to crucify him for not being artfully correct.
I should've said "the OP is talking" not yourself, my apologies
He ended up there. But at the time of offer I believe only ND had offered to that point. Butler came in around the same time Purdue did. So looking at solely the offer list before the senior summer AAU circuit as a measure of a player is asinine.
Not comparing them as players. Laughable you don't understand the context of the comparison.
I think I understand your point, but... that's not really the case.
Evaluations/offers are not foolproof, as I think you'd agree. How you or I 'gauge' them is irrelevant.
By their senior year, I’d agree. Earlier than that, as in the case being discussed, it’s a poor measure. Very inaccurate. I think you can take Matt Painters evaluation of a high school kid as the gold standard. Adding up early P5 offers, not so much.
Especially right now, when Covid has jacked up the AAU scene over the last year or so.
What I'm implying, no, actually what I'm outright saying, or more accurately; questioning, is giving a scholarship to a 6'0, 175 shooting guard who's previous best offer isn't even a MAC level school. What that tells me is that other P5 schools aren't seeing his skill set and athleticism translate to the P5 level.
Are we not along to question Painter's recruiting now?
How do you measure how good a player is?
I watched the highlight videos of Smith. What I see is an undersized 3 pt shooter, who doesn't have exceptional speed, quickness or athleticism. Those are physical skills you develop to a great extent, you either have them or you don't.
I think you can take Matt Painters evaluation of a high school kid as the gold standard"
What does that mean? Are you saying Painter is a great evaluator of talent?
Absolutely. If other B10 teams get involved, it would definitely change my opinion. Why wouldn't it?
If no other P5 teams offer, does it change yours?
Ivey was not top 100 when he committed.
You stated something demonstrably false, now you want to whine about not questioning Painter's recruiting. Don't be so fragile.
