That is exactly what I am saying. He is one of the best in the college business. Don’t confuse recruiting with evaluation. His ability to get kids to come to Purdue is not an indication of his ability to pick out good players. He is often on kids before anyone else is.
2022 Recruiting
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According to Rivals, Ivey was offered by ND and Butler.
But, you still want to compare either Edwards or Ivey to Smith?
that's pretty subjective. There's a lot of college coaches who are a lot better recruiters than Painter.
Being on a kid early doesn't mean much unless you can sign him.
Why? If you have 15 other B10 coaches looking for talent and none of them think this kid is B10 caliber, then I'll take that collective opinion as a pretty good barometer.
Are you sane? Serious question. Are you sane?
I already stated he was offered by ND and Butler. You included IU and I corrected you.
I have never compared Edwards or Ivey to Smith. Never. Ever.
I said it before: you're always searching for an argument. If there isn't one to be had, you're going to go find one.
Damn man. Didn't mean to trigger you. Sorry.
But, back to the topic, I don't think Smith is good enough for a Purdue scholie. But, I don't make those decisions, but I'm allowed to express my opinion.
Bone: “ Dammit Painter!! why’d you offer Braden Smith??!! No one else wants him!!
Also Bone, 2 months later: “Dammit Painter!! How’d you lose Braden Smith to IU!!??”
You didn't trigger me, man. you were the one triggered, as demonstrated by your continued whining.
Nobody is keeping you from expressing your opinion, they're just roasting you when you post stupid (crap).
Since it doesn’t seem you guys are aware yet, Smith will be committing to Purdue any time. Most likely by EOD.
I'd let iu have Smith and wouldn't lose any sleep over it. It will be very interesting to see how Smith plays against high level AAU competition this summer.
"Damnit Painter! Why'd you offer Grant Weatherford when everyone said he couldn't play B10 basketball?"
I found these highlights of Smith’s vision and passing. Something you can’t really teach. Looks like a competitor. Big guys need to look lively and have good hands. A plus if PG can knock down 3s.
“Dammit Painter! Why’d you offer this CG kid with no right hand or jump shot before IU did?”
Bone, read my post. I said it WASNT about recruiting. It was evaluation that Painter was exceptional. Are you really this thick?
Not one other BIG coach offered him? Sounds like you just refuted your own argument about how important offers are. Hell, the ND offer shouldn't really count since his mom coaches there, so it's just Butler.
A surprising number of those 15 BIG coaches will be fired in the next 5 years for failing to evaluate and recruit the right kids. just saying...
Offers are a piss poor measure of a kid's ability. Especially early in his high school career.
I get what you're saying about other P5 / HM offers and it's a valid point. At the same time, perhaps consider this:
National Champs Baylor had 5/8 rotation players including:
Teague (no HM offers out of HS, 3 star on rivals)
Vital (Baylor was only HM offer),
Thamba (composite 3 star ranked 243)
Flagler (no HM offers or recruiting profile at all out of HS)
JTT (no HM offers or recruiting profile at all out of HS)
*credit to QuadBoiler for Baylor roster information
Sure, he makes some nice passes on his highlight tape. About what I'd expect to see on a highlight tape.
I've seen 3 highlight reels of him now and nothing stands out in terms of being someone I'd say "Man, Painter better get this kid".
I'd still like to see what he's able to do against really good AAU competition level athletes.
So what? Who gives a rip if you're a good evaluator of talent if you can't get the top guys to commit? We've seen Painter get in early on plenty of guys but then MSU, L'ville, OSU, or another big program comes in, seemingly late in the game, and gets what really matters, which is the commitment.
I think Painter's improved his recruiting the last 4-5 years, but I question this offer to Smith. I know, I know, not every player on the team is a starter with NBA potential.
Please stop trying to compare the Ivey recruitment with Smith. That's just dumb.
Now, if Smith blows up and MSU, OSU, UM, IL come knocking, then I'll happily eat my crow with a smile. But, if Purdue is far and away his best offer (which it is right now and it's not even close, and what has me concerned is he might jump on it early), we might have another IT on our hands.
So, are you saying the coaching staffs at Montana, App State, and IUPUI are better evaluators of talent than the B10 coaches?
Good info and data. It should also be noted that Baylor has 2 projected first round NBA picks.
Check out the comments on hammerandrails (I know, not the brightest group) from when Edey committed:
Purdue Basketball Recruiting: Zach Edey
Purdue goes beyond the great northern wall and brings back a giant (via Florida)!
www.hammerandrails.com
His other offers were Baylor and.... Santa Clara. You can pick apart the comparison all you want, but the point remains that frequently painter is one of the first to offer on guys that fly way under the radar.
You're countering that by saying, "well so what if he can't land them when the big boys put out offers." Well what if the big boys don't put out offers? We've landed quite a few players recently that should have had way more offers. Stefanovic comes to mind.
I guess I don't really understand why you're arguing about this. Painter offered him, it seems likely that he'll commit, so why try to say that we shouldn't be offering? You're only going to know how good he is a year and a half from now anyways. Why not just trust Painter's recent track record and hope for the best?
Check out the comments on hammerandrails (I know, not the brightest group) from when Edey committed:
Purdue Basketball Recruiting: Zach Edey
Purdue goes beyond the great northern wall and brings back a giant (via Florida)!
His other offers were Baylor and.... Santa Clara. You can pick apart the comparison all you want, but the point remains that frequently painter is one of the first to offer on guys that fly way under the radar.
You're countering that by saying, "well so what if he can't land them when the big boys put out offers." Well what if the big boys don't put out offers? We've landed quite a few players recently that should have had way more offers. Stefanovic comes to mind.
I guess I don't really understand why you're arguing about this. Painter offered him, it seems likely that he'll commit, so why try to say that we shouldn't be offering? You're only going to know how good he is a year and a half from now anyways. Why not just trust Painter's recent track record and hope for the best?
why? Because that's what this board is for: To debate, discuss, second guess, argue, bitch, etc. We don't have to agree with every move Painter makes and we can certainly voice our opinion on whether we think it was a smart move or dumb move.
I'm just a very firm believer that an offer list is a very good indicator as to how P5 coaches evaluate a certain player. The more HM and P5 offers, the better the player. Sure, there's diamonds and misses but in general, the coaches can assess talent pretty accurately. Teams that make deep tourney runs consistently aren't loading up on under the radar players who all the sudden become difference-makers.
Did you think the Grant Gelon was a good offer and talent assessment by Painter?
I think that Painter has had a particularly good track record since the 2016 class in making offers, but some of the players who have struggled the most in that time period are among the best athletes.
From what I see in the videos, Smith looks like he has good quickness. At a solid 6’ with a solid frame, I’ll take a 43% career three point shooter with great court vision/passing ability.
I love that Painter has followed up the two top 50 recruits in the 2021 class with great shooters in Loyer, Waddell, and perhaps Smith.
From what I see in the videos, Smith looks like he has good quickness. At a solid 6’ with a solid frame, I’ll take a 43% career three point shooter with great court vision/passing ability.
I love that Painter has followed up the two top 50 recruits in the 2021 class with great shooters in Loyer, Waddell, and perhaps Smith.
Honestly that would be a pretty disappointing recruiting class. I don’t doubt they could turn into solid rotational/role players, but all seem to have pretty low ceilings as far as potential goes. Not the type of class that’s going to keep you at the top of the b1g.
Heres Collin Gillespie's Rivals page for reference. He had offers from Villanova, Maine, Fairleigh Dickinson and Albany. He turned out to be pretty good. Similar size as well.
Are you seriously comparing Collin Gillespie to Braden Smith?!?!?
Did I do that right?
Sigh........Painter better go out and land a couple of Jaden Ivey/Carsen Edwards types now.
I hope the kid turns into an All-American, but I think we're more likely to have a Ryne Smith clone.
