2 out of position

[Boilerfla]

is it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?

Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position

Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in

Just thinking

 

[Boiler Buck]

CMP has guys where he wants them given the injury he had in DJ and the talent deficit he sees in others.

Ideally CMP had TKR @ the 4 to start the season until DJ went down. I imagine that's what he goes back to next year.

 

[tjreese]

CMP has guys where he wants them given the injury he had in DJ and the talent deficit he sees in others.

Ideally CMP had TKR @ the 4 to start the season until DJ went down. I imagine that's what he goes back to next year.

And he would like to do it this year, but another in the 5 needs to improve the situation, A lot of posters didn’t want to see Trey at the 4 last year. Could you imagine this team had Trey just now starting to get minutes on the court?

 

[northside100]

is it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?

Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position

Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in

Just thinking

Regardless of position, Trey is their best ‘go to’ scoring option. He needs to get better against doubles and they need to find a way to get him the ball when teams are scheming to take it away.

The amount of fouling that was allowed yesterday was ridiculous, but that’s going to happen outside of Mackey. This team needs to get used to it and embrace the physicality.

I don’t know what the right lineup is but the triumvirate needs to play better when they’re the center of attention without Zach and everyone else needs to step up and make teams pay when they ignore them. Colvin and Heide combining for 2-9 on open looks from three isn’t going to cut it against solid competition.

 

[tjreese]

is it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?

Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position

Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in

Just thinking

Would be helpful if Myles and Cam drove the ball effectively and elevated in the lane under control

 

[tjreese]

Regardless of position, Trey is their best ‘go to’ scoring option. He needs to get better against doubles and they need to find a way to get him the ball when teams are scheming to take it away.

The amount of fouling that was allowed yesterday was ridiculous, but that’s going to happen outside of Mackey. This team needs to get used to it and embrace the physicality.

I don’t know what the right lineup is but the triumvirate needs to play better when they’re the center of attention without Zach and everyone else needs to step up and make teams pay when they ignore them. Colvin and Heide combining for 2-9 on open looks from three isn’t going to cut it against solid competition.

The triumvirate has such a Roman feel! 😁

 

[northside100]

Would be helpful if Myles and Cam drove the ball effectively and elevated in the lane under control

I don’t know how (or if) they get there but the more games they play the more I’m convinced that this team’s ceiling lies in those two being able to hit open shots and put the ball on the floor.

 

[Purdue79fan]

Regardless of position, Trey is their best ‘go to’ scoring option. He needs to get better against doubles and they need to find a way to get him the ball when teams are scheming to take it away.

The amount of fouling that was allowed yesterday was ridiculous, but that’s going to happen outside of Mackey. This team needs to get used to it and embrace the physicality.

I don’t know what the right lineup is but the triumvirate needs to play better when they’re the center of attention without Zach and everyone else needs to step up and make teams pay when they ignore them. Colvin and Heide combining for 2-9 on open looks from three isn’t going to cut it against solid competition.

Agreed and don't expect Colvin and Heide to shoot as poorly moving forward. They should have shot more yesterday but didn't after missing first couple. Both are capable shooters and need to shoot when open to spread out the D more. I'm sure when the coaches review the film they will tell TKR to be more aggressive and make sure he's doubled before trying to pass.

 

[jdbrees922]

I agree that Colvin and Heide can get shots off when guarded. And they must shoot more and obviously make more to help Renn from the double teams. I believe both FEEL they are on a leash, and I also believe Painter wants them to shoot more. They both need more confidence

 

[Carlboiler]

Tkr has to play the 4 if purdue going to have the season they want put furst at center burgess didnt play yesterday he has to play burg has to play 10 to 12 minutes a game

 

[POTFHBTFU]

is it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?

Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position

Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in

Just thinking

Berg and Furst combined for 1 Reb in 18 minutes. I don’t think personnel was the issue. The tapping of balls back is frustrating. Guys need to go up strong with both hands.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Berg cannot guard a quick big guy like Payne yesterday…too slow afoot in cement. Furst is an enigma…promising freshman year…then downhill since. This problem at center will plague Purdue all season. Our season went “south” when Danielsen( got it spelled right this time) was injured.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Let Burgess play significant minutes at the 5 …and develop. Anyway…we will lose a number of games during the season without a true center with the current lineup.

 

[tjreese]

I don’t know how (or if) they get there but the more games they play the more I’m convinced that this team’s ceiling lies in those two being able to hit open shots and put the ball on the floor.

It is hard for me to grasp, but until the three ball was fully entrenched, that ability was a staple of play

 

[bonefish1]

I don’t know how (or if) they get there but the more games they play the more I’m convinced that this team’s ceiling lies in those two being able to hit open shots and put the ball on the floor.

Neither of them have shown the ability to dribble against pressure. That type of ball handling skill takes a long time to develop and if it's not part of their game by now, not sure we'll see much of it.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

Berg cannot guard a quick big guy like Payne yesterday…too slow afoot in cement. Furst is an enigma…promising freshman year…then downhill since. This problem at center will plague Purdue all season. Our season went “south” when Danielsen( got it spelled right this time) was injured.

No you didn't.

 

[Gman544]

Would be helpful if Myles and Cam drove the ball effectively and elevated in the lane under control

I will ask you the questions I asked on another thread. It would be helpful. Do they have the handles to do so against the better teams, with good to great athletes?

 

[northside100]

Neither of them have shown the ability to dribble against pressure. That type of ball handling skill takes a long time to develop and if it's not part of their game by now, not sure we'll see much of it.

Cool

 

[northside100]

It is hard for me to grasp, but until the three ball was fully entrenched, that ability was a staple of play

Which is crazy because it should actually be easier to penetrate against hard close outs and defenses focused on not allowing uncontested threes. As someone else posted, I think it’s a comfort / confidence issue with those two.

 

[northside100]

I will ask you the questions I asked on another thread. It would be helpful. Do they have the handles to do so against the better teams, with good to great athletes?

Not the person you asked, but it depends upon the situation. Both have decent but certainly not great handles. If you’re dribbling into traffic against strong defenses, that’s not good. If you’re getting iso coverage because teams are focused on taking away the big three and closing out hard on threes, their handles are more than good enough, imo.

 

[SKYDOG]

Berg cannot guard a quick big guy like Payne yesterday…too slow afoot in cement. Furst is an enigma…promising freshman year…then downhill since. This problem at center will plague Purdue all season. Our season went “south” when Danielsen( got it spelled right this time) was injured.

Daniel Jacobsen

 

[Roeder]

Let Burgess play significant minutes at the 5 …and develop. Anyway…we will lose a number of games during the season without a true center with the current lineup.

I think Burgess needs some minutes too. Time to see what he has. He's short armed some bunnies, but I'd like to see if that is because he simply rushing it due to limited PT and jitters. Would love to see him get 10-15 mins consistently and get some confidence.

Not sure what happened to Furst. Long gone are those flashes he showed early in his career. He doesn't even look to shoot 3 anymore either. Sitting behind Edey/Gillis killed his confidence and maybe his passion for the game with it. Still hoping he can somehow turn it around.....

Berg is a good 3rd/4th center to have on roster at this point in career. He might get better down the road, but right now he is too timid out there and is slow to the ball. Braden doesn't even look to throw him the ball when he's in there.

 

[Ihaveswag29]

I am concerned teams will start just sitting on TKRs left shoulder. Haven’t seen it discussed, but outside of doubling, AM had guys that just sat on his right shoulder. He does not appear to have any ability to go left, so doing that took him completely out of the game. I think he needs to to work on that, and fast, or else he’s too easy to read and defend

 

[*4purdue*]

Berg cannot guard a quick big guy like Payne yesterday…too slow afoot in cement. Furst is an enigma…promising freshman year…then downhill since. This problem at center will plague Purdue all season. Our season went “south” when Danielsen( got it spelled right this time) was injured.

While I agree with this, I’m hoping CMP will add a 5 from the transfer portal for next season. Payne would make this team a title contender this year. I’m hoping we get a Payne or Wolf (from Michigan) type player for next year.

 

[northside100]

He does not appear to have any ability to go left, so doing that took him completely out of the game. I think he needs to to work on that, and fast, or else he’s too easy to read and defend

Tha’s wildly inaccurate. He certainly prefers the right hook, but he’s shown a counter many times and shown that he can hit a left hook as well.

 

[Ihaveswag29]

Has he? I haven’t seen that, and I’ve seen multiple commentators (including robbie) laugh at defenders who bite on pump fakes to the left

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Regardless of position, Trey is their best ‘go to’ scoring option. He needs to get better against doubles and they need to find a way to get him the ball when teams are scheming to take it away.

The amount of fouling that was allowed yesterday was ridiculous, but that’s going to happen outside of Mackey. This team needs to get used to it and embrace the physicality.

I don’t know what the right lineup is but the triumvirate needs to play better when they’re the center of attention without Zach and everyone else needs to step up and make teams pay when they ignore them. Colvin and Heide combining for 2-9 on open looks from three isn’t going to cut it against solid competition.

As far as Colvin and Heide’s shooting from 3, they are very good shooters, but statistically there will always be games when shooters shoot below their averages. Playing in an NBA can be an adjustment as well. I am not worried about either’s shooting.

 

[Wolegib]

Edey was much easier to pass to than TKR.

Edey also got fouled a lot more than tkr. And 80% of those fouls were never called. The officiating hasn’t changed. Edey was just able to deal with the no foul called a lot more than TKR has this year.

Heide is not a 4. He’s not really a 3 in Painter’s offense either. Painter loves using a guard at the 3 position and a perimeter oriented shooting 4. That only works when you have a dominant center who can actually defend the lane like a hockey goaltender. And someone who can rebound.

Tkr may be able to score. But he is not a dominant presence in the paint. He needs help and he’s not getting it from Heide, berg, Furst or Burgess.

And smith is trying too hard to take up the slack.

And Harris, Cox, Colvin and Heide all play the exact same role and position.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

I am concerned teams will start just sitting on TKRs left shoulder. Haven’t seen it discussed, but outside of doubling, AM had guys that just sat on his right shoulder. He does not appear to have any ability to go left, so doing that took him completely out of the game. I think he needs to to work on that, and fast, or else he’s too easy to read and defend

the crazy part is he HAS the footwork and shots to go either way. And shows it. But seems to always goto his strong side when he thinks it's a serious contest on the shot. Even when guys are much taller and selling out to stop the right hand, he still goes that way most of the time. Just like for Zach, a quick move the other way he's often uncontested to the rim.
He needs to trust his arsenal.

 

[Boiler8285]

Which is crazy because it should actually be easier to penetrate against hard close outs and defenses focused on not allowing uncontested threes. As someone else posted, I think it’s a comfort / confidence issue with those two.

I agree. We saw Heide go hard to the basket if given space. He needs to do that a couple of times a game not once every 3 or four games.