And he would like to do it this year, but another in the 5 needs to improve the situation, A lot of posters didn’t want to see Trey at the 4 last year. Could you imagine this team had Trey just now starting to get minutes on the court?
Regardless of position, Trey is their best ‘go to’ scoring option. He needs to get better against doubles and they need to find a way to get him the ball when teams are scheming to take it away.is it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?
Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position
Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in
Just thinking
Would be helpful if Myles and Cam drove the ball effectively and elevated in the lane under controlis it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?
Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position
Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in
Just thinking
I don’t know how (or if) they get there but the more games they play the more I’m convinced that this team’s ceiling lies in those two being able to hit open shots and put the ball on the floor.
Agreed and don't expect Colvin and Heide to shoot as poorly moving forward. They should have shot more yesterday but didn't after missing first couple. Both are capable shooters and need to shoot when open to spread out the D more. I'm sure when the coaches review the film they will tell TKR to be more aggressive and make sure he's doubled before trying to pass.
Berg and Furst combined for 1 Reb in 18 minutes. I don’t think personnel was the issue. The tapping of balls back is frustrating. Guys need to go up strong with both hands.is it better to keep TKR at 4, his best position with RB backup and Caleb/Berg 5?
Small ball fun at times, but puts two guys out of position
Feeding TKR like he’s ZE isn’t winning against good teams. Need to work outside in
Just thinking
It is hard for me to grasp, but until the three ball was fully entrenched, that ability was a staple of play
Neither of them have shown the ability to dribble against pressure. That type of ball handling skill takes a long time to develop and if it's not part of their game by now, not sure we'll see much of it.
I will ask you the questions I asked on another thread. It would be helpful. Do they have the handles to do so against the better teams, with good to great athletes?
Which is crazy because it should actually be easier to penetrate against hard close outs and defenses focused on not allowing uncontested threes. As someone else posted, I think it’s a comfort / confidence issue with those two.
Not the person you asked, but it depends upon the situation. Both have decent but certainly not great handles. If you’re dribbling into traffic against strong defenses, that’s not good. If you’re getting iso coverage because teams are focused on taking away the big three and closing out hard on threes, their handles are more than good enough, imo.
While I agree with this, I’m hoping CMP will add a 5 from the transfer portal for next season. Payne would make this team a title contender this year. I’m hoping we get a Payne or Wolf (from Michigan) type player for next year.
Tha’s wildly inaccurate. He certainly prefers the right hook, but he’s shown a counter many times and shown that he can hit a left hook as well.
As far as Colvin and Heide’s shooting from 3, they are very good shooters, but statistically there will always be games when shooters shoot below their averages. Playing in an NBA can be an adjustment as well. I am not worried about either’s shooting.
the crazy part is he HAS the footwork and shots to go either way. And shows it. But seems to always goto his strong side when he thinks it's a serious contest on the shot. Even when guys are much taller and selling out to stop the right hand, he still goes that way most of the time. Just like for Zach, a quick move the other way he's often uncontested to the rim.
I agree. We saw Heide go hard to the basket if given space. He needs to do that a couple of times a game not once every 3 or four games.
Heide is absolutely a 4 in Painter’s offense. He is taller than Gillis and Grady Eifort and stronger and more physical than Vincent Edwards. Give him time and he’s going to have a great career for Purdue. He has all of the tools. I would like to see his handle and driving to improve, but he had a really nice drive for a dunk, yesterday.
Well, Myles and Cam are probably as good an athlete as those that defend them. Does that translate into dribbling the ball against them? I don't know since we haven't seen many attempts. If they can, I would like to see them do it more. If they can't...why...what do they need to do so they can? I do NOT know specifically what the players work on, but dribbling the ball and pulling up for a short jumper should be attainable..."IF" that is desired inside the offense Matt wants. I'm not talking about dribbling from the top of the key to the rim. I'm talking about either player taking two or three dribbles and pulling up. If coming off a screen and curling and such they should be able to get the ball and with either one or two dribbles be in the lane, balanced and pull up for a short jumper. Defenders don't want to foul jump shooters and both can elevate enough to essentially not be defended for a soft jumper. Naturally, this would take place on the wing opposite of the low/mid post that Trey was on so his big was pulled over a couple of feet. If not coming off a screen and curling towards the lane, but just needing to attack off the dribble and already with the ball...make sure that first step is NOT wide so the D that is reactionary doesn't have the extra space to catch up. Both have to become deadly, but being able to score at all three levels would make this team much better.
I don't think it is practiced inside a set. I don't think they run a set for Myles or Cam to come off a screen and curl towards the lane to receive a pass...and so should it happen...lack of confidence could easily be in play...and the sets being ran may not have the freedom for each unless uncontested to drive the ball?
So ido you think that’s a maturity/experience thing? Painter talks all the time about making the right read, surely one of the reads is if a guy comes flying at you on a closeout or if you have ISO and the defense we is overplaying you on the three point line you can look to drive?
yes with a hard close out that would be the right read and Cam did that. However, I'm talking about being part of the offense independent of what mistakes the D makes. I would like to see more screens and curls for Myles and Cam as part of the regular offense. Not enough that it takes the ball out of Braden's hands and loses the main three scorers, but enough that they are a threat other than behind the arc.
TKR had 5 of those turnovers and only 4 rebounds…they took him out of the game (I guess buzz had heard of him before) and doubled him and he wasn’t ready to play at noon on a Saturday. So I’d say he was part of the problem (unfortunately). And he’s one of my fave players.
I hear you. Not an Ivey-like drive all the way to the hoop. Rather a few dribbles and pull up. Or learn from Loyer how to do a floater, they are certainly athletic enough to do that. It would be helpful when TKR is unable to get his normal offense. The opposing coach mentioned TKR’s incredibly high usage rate. That’s fine when it works but sometimes they force it when it has not worked all game. Back to Heide and Colvin you mentioned “if that is desired inside the offense Matt wants”. Maybe he doesn’t…yet.
