Na not admitting anything, I just knew from your response to not take discussing this whole thing with you seriously.
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Again, you conveniently avoid details. It has happened elsewhere. So what? We now comparing ourselves to Sri Lanka or Syria? Was it third world countries? Was it terrorism? Was it people fighting back against a repressive government?
Does it happen as often or on the same scale in modern countries that compare to ours? That answer is clearly no.
Not avoiding anything I literally answered your question, you just didn't like the answer since it disproves your latest tantrum.
And you still just deflect and ignore what I said about the postings online and how it could of been stopped. You're just too focused on the narrative to think otherwise.
As far as Sandy Hook goes Obama used it to win reelection. Romney looked like he could win until Obama looked Presidential after the massacre. It was a turning point. I don't have an answer for stopping mass shootings but know that crazy people will always find a means to kill whether it be by gun, car, or a load of fertilizer. Congress sickens me. They hold hearings and get nothing done for months then Chuck Schumer comes up with overnight bills to vote on for show purposes. He did it two weeks ago for abortion and now says he can do it immediately for gun control. It's all about making hay off of a tragedy. I've been led to believe it takes time, debate and discussion to bring a bill to the floor for vote. I guess not when Chuck needs the publicity.
Completely agree. In this instance in Texas there was ample time to stop it and (I forget who) someone even saw/read the instagram posts with the pictures laying out what was happening ..........and no one did anything. That is what sticks with me because it was all avoidable if just SOMEONE had acted.
You do understand that it happens A LOT more frequently in US, right? A simple google search will show you:
Not an exhaustive list, but roughly 80% of the mass shootings listed are in the US:
Timeline of Worldwide School and Mass Shootings
The following table lists the worldwide school shootings from 1996 to the present. Find the date, location, and a short description of each incident.
And US's gun death rate is 8x more than Canada, and 100x more than UK:
Gun violence deaths: how the U.S. compares with the rest of the world
The grim news of mass shootings in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York, has again cast a spotlight on the gun violence death rate in the U.S., which is higher than much of the world.
www.npr.org
Texas is a state where you don't need permit or training to obtain a gun. All it needs is for you to be 18. Used to be 21 and would have prevented this gunman.
People post crazy sh!t online all the time. Imagine the outcry for being arrested just for posting crazy sh!t online and didn't do anything. Killers also don't necessarily need to post crazy sh!t online. They can write in a journal too, duh.
What hypocrisy? Those in favor of guns aren't the problem. It's the gun free zones that are the issue. The vast majority of all killings happen in gun free zones.
Or delayed it, or had him find other means. Other states the age is lower than 21.. Indiana is one so the age isn't the issue. Especially as I said when guns were VERY EASY to get 30+ years ago yet these things didn't happen. The gun sure didn't change so the argument over the availability over guns has no real merit.
And there it is. We're more worried about someone's feelings than stepping up and stopping someone. Especially in this instance when it was apparently very evident and they literally talked about shooting up the school.
You'd have to be heartless to not feel for the families and be sad when looking at these pictures. That doesn't change the fact that the solutions the Dems want will not fix the issue and will only cause more death in other areas.I shed a few tears just looking at the pictures of these strangers whom I do not know. These are 16 of the 19 kids that were killed 😭
I hope people can stop seeing them as statistic, and feel the insurmountable pain that their families must be going through.
What republicans just shrug their shoulders? Why would you think that? Simply because they don't share the same misguided solutions that you want?
No, they have just as many crazy people. That's why there are more deaths with knives and explosives vs guns here. They have the same issues. Guns are not the problem. It's the people as well as gun free zones. If someone knows there is a chance they will be confronted with a gun, they much MUCH less likely to commit a crime there.
THAT statement right there is all I needed to read to know that you don't know SHIT about guns.
Figures you'd bring out the racist talk. You're so dumb. People on the right would applaud it. They also know that it would stop a lot of the shootings going on in black neighborhoods because criminals would have to worry about the regular Joe being armed.
You are so out of touch it is not funny. I think you are challenged as far as intelligent. In Chi-town, if someone from the Gangster Disciples wants to take out members of the Latin Kings on the corner of 71st Street and Stoney Island, you are telling me that some average Joe with gun is going to stop that? Is that what you are telling us?
I'm one that grew up going to a country school. In highschool, there was no shortage of guns in vehicles in the parking lot. Students would hunt before or after school. No one thought twice about it. You would have fights break out after school, no one thought about going and grabbing their gun from their vehicle.
The issue isn't the guns, the issue is something has changed with the people that suddenly they think this is acceptable. I think a lot of it is people looking for media notoriety and wanting to end their life anyways. So they go out infamous then and people will remember their names.
The issue isn't the guns, the issue is something has changed with the people that suddenly they think this is acceptable. I think a lot of it is people looking for media notoriety and wanting to end their life anyways. So they go out infamous then and people will remember their names.
I've got one, call it whatever the hell you want to call it. It wasn't designed for hunting.....although I know people who do. You want to call it a target rifle, a range gun, a recreational firearm. Whatever. But it's a fact that an AR with a 30 round mag is pretty damn effective at killing people.
To be clear, arguing that we can't stop ALL these types of incidents so therefore we do nothing is BS. Similarly, arguing this one couldn't be stopped is also BS because you don't know that. We hear the same thing after every one of these from you people.......the laws weren't enforced or there should have been guards or the government should have done that or he posted online/why didn't SOMEBODY do SOMETHING? There's always a reason for why it couldn't have been stopped. You never look for a way it could have been.
You keep circling back to existing laws when I'm clearly saying CHANGE THE DAMN LAWS. An 18 year old shouldn't be able to buy an AR. Period. There should be a waiting period. Make him go through the process of getting licensed. Make him get training. It's possible during that time he changes his mind or an instructor or family member sends up a flare. A hell of a lot of growing up usually happens from 18 to 21.
You want the government to pay people to scan through all the internet posts of an 18 year old looking for manifestos, have at it. Otherwise, you're putting the responsibility of catching him before the fact on his friends and contacts online. Is that where the responsibility lies?
Dude, this has nothing to do with second amendment rights. It has everything to do with a deranged, psychopath who shot his friggin' grand mother and then turned his anger to the school.
Ever wonder had he not wrecked in front of that school where he would have gone to shoot people? He had a boat load of weaponry and was intent on killing a lot of folks that day.
Society failed in this shooting rampage.
I keep circling back to the laws because you do and keep glossing over that the shooter passed all the current laws and would pass any new ones. I just don't see how you can fail to grasp that. The kid had no priors, nop connections to gans.. nothing... NOTHING .. that ANY background check/law would of stopped. I've already disproven your age thing so I'm not going to bother with it.........again other than to say, you can fire off rounds just as fast in a long rifle (which is what is being reported as the weapon) than you can with an AR. Again not the gun.......it's the person pulling the trigger.
And I said nothing about the government but pointed to the FACT that his actions were online and being reported on and no one did anything. You're focus on an object and not the root cause....... It's just too bad you're so bought in to the narrative that you can't see the facts.
Good luck Bob, you're trapped in a circular argument with no foundation.
The slow disintegration of the traditional family unit and Christian values.
No....Republican's want all to live free. Period. We want everyone to be protected...unlike the Dem's want to protect Chicago folks.
Ding ding. That and taking the parents out of the schools. Guns are not a new concept and as I have said repeatedly, were easier to get decades ago but these mass shootings are more of a modern problem.
I'll add this then I am likely out of this thread because it's only going to back and forth:
Not an agenda at all Bob. But then, you wouldn't want to understand their ideas.
Okay enough Indy....Friggin' enough. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN ISSUE. UNDERSTAND? IT'S NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE THOUGH YOUR BOY BIDEN COULDN'T JUMP ON IT ANY QUICKER.
You republicans disgust me. You watch these children get turned into hamburger meat constantly and you make excuse after excuse instead of doing anything at all that would upset the NRA or gun manufacturers.
Then let's make this 18 year old get the explosives necessary to build the bomb, take the time to learn how to build it, build it without blowing himself up, transport it to the school .....again without killing himself, get it into the school past the security guards, and hope that his first bomb actually works. I'll take take that chance, including the possibility he changes his mind in the amount of time it takes to do all that or gets frustrated and gives up and the chance that someone picks up on his bomb making and calls the police....VS. the ease with which he purchased a semi automatic rifle days before he killed 20 kids, with ZERO time needed to reconsider his act or resist what could be impulsive act.
Knives? Ok, let's see him get past the armed security into the school and then kill 20 kids with it.
This whole " if they want to kill they will find a way" BS completely ignores reality.
the fact is the dums are under the same lobbyists that the Reps are under and really dont want to do anything about it. otherwise they would already have done something. We are willing to send tens of billions to Ukraine for weapons but wont provide money to protect our kids in schools, hell , lets take some more cops off he street and provide free guns to gang bangers. In fact we are further endangering kids in schools by putting boys in girls bathrooms. dums are really really dum
Are you personally going to Baltimore, Chicago, New York, or even Dallas and tell the gang members and criminals to give there guns to you?
See, you want to gripe, but you have no real solutions.
Then allow profiling of "mixed up kids". He'd had problems at school, his grandma had worked at the school, he posted on line that he was going to do this.....yet the actions of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan ended that ability to profile him
I'm one of those who hunted after school and had shotguns in my trunk as did most of my friends.
Difference is, if you and I didn't like each other we went behind the gym.
Except you can eat with your hands. You can't shoot up an elementary school with your hands.
Bob....his F'in friends saw this post and did nothing about it. So did others.
Wow Indy, you Liberals disgust me too. Do you as a black man own a gun of any type?
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