BNIBoiler said:

Why didn’t the Europeans enslave European criminals? Much closer than Africa, don’t you think. Cheaper as they would not have to buy them. Then ship them over to the US.

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Erock_94 said:

Will see how francon level does it's always interesting anyway

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Do Dah Day said:

Ready in my vibrating/heating and lifting recliner

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BNIBoiler said:

Why didn’t the Europeans enslave European criminals? Much closer than Africa, don’t you think. Cheaper as they would not have to buy them. Then ship them over to the US.

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Katscratch said:

WhattaboutwhattaboutwhattaboutwhattaboutwhattaboutCause RivetingSaysSo

#Diverting

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bonefish1 said:

No, they're culpable, but had the labor been in the form of Chinese or Indians or (insert continent here), it wouldn't have made any difference. As 03 said, this was driven much more by economics than racism. Black Africans just happened to be the supply that met the demand at the time (mostly because it's a lot easier to sail from Europe to Africa than it is to Eastern Asia or India.) Look at a map....

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Riveting said:

Never mind, I found it. Not the first racist to work in government, but his job is minor.

In contrast, I recall a racist who served not in a minor job, but as president until Jan. 20 this year. I would wager that you voted for that racist.

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bonefish1 said:

You keep acting like white Europeans invented slavery. They did not.
If the white Europeans were so hell bent in enslaving black people, why did they even buy the black captives? Why didn't they just save the money and enslave them all?

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BNIBoiler said:

So white Europeans and white Americans absolutely no culpability in the transatlantic slave trade to the US. Is that what you are trying to tell me?

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Katscratch said:

Not what he said. He said need white men in charge = things working in govt. (I already supplied the exact quote).

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Katscratch said:

Well here's a loaded "Riveting-style" question for you:

Forget about some Irish guy in Jamaica in the 1700's, what would be your reaction if a top Deputy appointee in the State Department said in 2024 that "Competent white men must be in charge if you want things to work. Unfortunately, our entire national ideology is predicated on coddling the feelings of women and minorities, and demoralizing competent white men."

And what do you think of someone that appointed him - with a long history of statements by this appointee that are congruent with the 2024 statement?

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BNIBoiler said:

Oh yeah, I do know that the invention of the cotton gin increased the demand for slaves. And? There were slaves in the US prior to the invention of the cotton gin. Of course economics was a factor, slavery was cheap labor, duh. It's white supremacy and pseudo-science that they chose the Africans for this cheap labor. Then continued the racial hatred with Jim Crow when slavery ended for another 100 years. Now this anti-DEI bs is a slap in the face of all of the hard work that the civil rights folks died for.

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Katscratch said:

Not what he said. He said need white men in charge = things working in govt. (I already supplied the exact quote).

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BNIBoiler said:

Like I said earlier, stay in your lane. You keep harping on the Africans that sold the other African captives. You have very little to say about the Americans that sailed to Africa, bought and picked them up in order to be sold in the US like grain. The Africans sold their war captives to the Europeans for money. You are correct about that. However, the American bought the slaves for chattel slavery, which is race based for labor.

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Riveting said:

He was advocating for competence in government?

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BNIBoiler said:

Again, you keep bringing that up. For one thing that was in Jamaica where I do not live. Harris' ancestors in Jamaica were white and Irish. That's what was done in Jamaica in the 1700s and 1800s. I have no concern about Harris' ancestors owning slaves in Jamaica no more than anyone else here in the US that had ancestors owning slaves. Someone today that had ancestors that owned slaves is no big deal. I may have some if I do some research. A large portion of black Americans have white ancestry that may owned slaves. Or, the much smaller percentage that have black ancestors that owned slaves. Take a history class at a local community college. It'll do you some good.

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Purdue Grad in Texas said:

Throwing in regular transfers for Painter, in the front court, there was also Nemenja Calasan (aka "Chally").

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