Bippus33 said:

Would it be worse than what we have now?
Hell No......

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It would be a f'ing disaster...

He hasn't recruited at a high level in decades. He has zero clue about NIL. He's a defensive based coach. He's not coached at the FBS level for decades.

No, no, hell no...

TC4THREE said:

I never said it wasn't towards the bottom of the conference. It likely is. I'm saying nobody really knows everything. The real difference. How it is spread across the athletic department. If contributions were one-time lump sums to buy out a coach or build a new tennis facility.

Even the source you cited admitted as much if you cared to read the disclosures.

Why present these Estimates?​

Unlike public Universities, virtually all NIL Collectives are privately controlled and have no obligation to publicly report information such as their annual fundraising and how those funds are spent.

In most cases, NIL collectives are very protective of their funding, and several states have actually stepped in to shield collectives from public scrutiny. Texas passed a bill that became effective in July 2023 barring state universities from releasing NIL documents in response to freedom of information act (FOIA) requests. With this action, Texas joins other states that have restricted public access to NIL activity including Connecticut, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, and Nebraska.

So these states have basically said ”none of your business”. But the problem with this position is that it does affect the public. State supported Universities rely on athletic booster donations to help fund their athletic programs including women’s and non-revenue sports. However the new landscape is that Schools and collectives are now competing for the same dollars – both are asking the same donors for contributions to the same cause – supporting the school’s athletic programs. So assuming donors are not going to double up, contributions to NIL collectives likely reduce contributions that historically went to the Universities. The difference is the schools used these funds as they saw best and were required to report how contributions are spent. Conversely, NIL Collectives are privately operated and are under no obligation to report either how much in funds are raised or how they are spent.

The state laws restricting public access were also intended to bar access from the NCAA to some extent. NCAA bashing is in vogue right now, but the organization does try to maintain a level fair playing field for schools to compete – for example, every FBS football program is allowed to have a maximum of 85 players under scholarship. NIL collectives are threatening to tilt this field on end – say two schools recruiting the same athlete are both offering full scholarships, but one has a supporting collective that can offer that recruit $ 100,000 per year in guaranteed “NIL” money and the other school can only offer a scholarship and the opportunity for a good education, which school do you believe will likely receive the commitment? See our page on the Quiet Part Out Loud about how the recruiting landscape has changed due to emergence of NIL collectives.

Student-Athletes do deserve legitimate NIL opportunities, but the health of intercollegiate sports is also dependent on schools playing by the same rules on the same level playing field. Sports is an integral part of the college experience. It would be a disaster if scores of schools begin to drop sports due to the funding demands and the intercollegiate athletics landscape ends up being dominated by 30 or 40 super schools essentially funded by enormous football TV contracts. Everyone loses in this scenario, especially the reduced opportunities for student-athlete not looking to get paid, but just to play for the love of the game.

So we compile and present these statistics with the objective of bringing some light to this area.

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Sigh. All that to finally admit we are near the bottom of the conference in NIL.

So again you're just arguing to be contrary.

Now, do you really think the split favors football instead of basketball? Of course you don't.

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mediaexpert said:

WOMEN ESPECIALLY NEED TO READ THIS!

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So you have to really upset that Trump killed the bipartisan border bill that Repubican Senator Lankford authored that would have given the president more power to control illegal border crossings. If you don't like the current immigration system changed the law. Trump had control of congress and the senate and offered no immigration policy change.

ImRonBurgandy? said:

They're getting paid. Sorry, not sorry.

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You have a valid point, but it still cannot be a pleasant experience! Losing continually takes its toll on your psyche, especially when the chance of it not improving are almost assured! I'm sure many will be looking at going elsewhere!

Farmer Fran - The water boy movie. At least there would be something entertaining to watch on the sideline.

JBoiler23 said:

Ok, but that wasn't the original claim, so the fact that's true doesn't make me a liar, as you accused me of being, when I said the Biden administration has not "ignored the law of the Supreme Court." Agreed?

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The Biden administration has now cumulatively forgiven $168.5 billion in federal student loan debt for 4.75 million borrowers. Agreed?

bonefish1 said:

I'll say it: "I don't really care about Ukraine." There, do you feel better now?
Ukraine is not an ally nor a strategic partner.
As I said previously, it Russia taking over Ukraine means a larger threat to the region, you would think that Germany, France, Poland, Italy, etc would be the one's providing the most assistance, not the US.

If China invades Taiwan, do we go to war with China?

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So you're saying you don't think Russia is a larger threat to the region, given that the Germany isn't providing more. Putin went into Georgia, the Crimea, and now the rest of Ukraine. Do you base your opinion on your interpretation of Germanys funding? You don't see what's right in front of your face?

Germany has given the most aid to Ukraine of any European country.


"Germany is Ukraine's biggest supporter in Europe in terms of military aid. "

That would seem to imply Germany is kinda worried given your criteria for being worried. Care to try some other BS argument? You don't live in Germany. You haven't lived in a country that was under communist rule. You have no idea what the Germans think.

BB62 said:

How are they taking all our jobs if they're sitting in hotel rooms?

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I doubt ALL 11 MM are still sitting in hotel rooms…if they aren’t in hotel rooms, where are they Bob?

I’m guessing at least 40% are still in hotel rooms.

DwaynePurvis00 said:

He’s pretty into finance and investing, wouldn’t be surprised if he goes that route.

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Agree. I expect to see Mason be very successful, but would be surprised if it is in coaching.

boilernuke said:

Gillis is one of my favorite Boilers. That said, there is no way I will want Duke success of any kind. I live in the Carolinas, so I have good reasons. I hope he personally does well and gets solid education too.

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Yeah, I can’t do it. I wish Gillis every success but would be happy if the dookies lost every game.

Wolegib said:

Exactly. I could see those type of stats. I could see him hitting a few game winning shots. I could also see him becoming a very successful coach when his career is over. He’s smart, knows the game, knows how to motivate others and will have played for two very fundamentally sound programs. He has his degrees! He has a tremendous career in front of him.

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He’s pretty into finance and investing, wouldn’t be surprised if he goes that route.

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Boiler Buck said:

Hard for me to support Duke no matter what.

Might have to grit my teeth though, and do just that, if they do happen to earn their way to a FF.

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Gillis is one of my favorite Boilers. That said, there is no way I will want Duke success of any kind. I live in the Carolinas, so I have good reasons. I hope he personally does well and gets solid education too.

TC4THREE said:

So your 80 million number for IU is an estimate of total support and not just collectives.

I know it's an election year and its fashionable to throw out a given number with no context and pretend it supports your position, but there's many variables and context absolutely matters.

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Right, so you're just gonna ignore 15 to 5 million huh?

Tell you what bud, if you want to live in the delusion that our NIL isn't near the bottom of the conference you go right ahead and live in that fantasy world.

BoilerJS said:

Would you rather spend 80 billion to enable strength by deterrence or give Ukraine 173 billion?

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Well,it depends on where we spend the 80 billion. It would only meet Biden's approval if the recipient had already bankrolled the Bidens thru Hunter's expertise much like on the Ukraine.

Wolegib said:

My son just started his college coaching career. Like the military, it is not one I would recommend.

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People who make comments like that almost invariably have no military service.

Colin Meyer
Colonel, US Army (ret.)

JBoiler23 said:

Details? I think the only detail that matters in this case is that the Biden admin is, in fact, NOT defying the Supreme Court as was claimed.

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The only detail that matters is that the Biden administration has now cumulatively forgiven $168.5 billion in federal student loan debt for 4.75 million borrowers.

BB62 said:

However, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which oversees ICE, said the figures cover a period of many years, and include migrants who entered the US under the Trump presidency and previous administrations.

The DHS said: "The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this [Biden-Harris] administration.

I do love it so when you do exactly as you accuse others of doing and make a complete ass of yourself. Oh, and you also jumped the gun without waiting for all the info to come out.

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Usually when you respond with crude name calling you lost the argument. And you are consistent here, keeping your streak alive. Lol

Nowhere in the B03 post you responded to, nor my post.... does it say the data is only from Biden admin.

The point in both posts were dangerous people have been let in.....which you denied the numbers posted by B03.
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TC4THREE said:

No. I'm just asking you to explain what you said. You can't.

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I listed the 2022 numbers. I don't know if it all went to football although I doubt it. But if IU is ahead by that much overall pretty clear they are ahead in football too.

I just gave you the current this year estimates and guess what IU is 10 million ahead of us. Shocked face.

Guess what, so is most of the Big 10.

TC4THREE said:

Speaking of the baseless conjecture I mentioned earlier...........

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Lol scroll down to collective funding for this year.

The idea that you continue to argue that somehow we aren't near the bottom of the conference in NIL, especially for football is hilarious.

IU over 15 million this year, we're barely above 5. Ten of the school's double us or more. 13 spend more than us. USC isn't listed but would be surprised if they aren't ahead of us too.

But sure, it's "baseless" to think we are near the bottom of the conference in NIL spending.

Boiler Buck said:

Ol' Bob must have nothing but comic books for his reading library......the dude is not well read....

Post in thread 'Finally some truth about the border' https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/finally-some-truth-about-the-border.250176/post-3810212

The source is this admin ICE data....which gives us #4.... the truth......Ol Bob's showing himself not well read. & is only able to parrot what lib media tells him LOL 🤡

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Lol. You didn't read the news that came out later either did you.

Those figures were not from the Biden admin.........a little cussing for you.........dumbass.

From my link.

The new figures released by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) do show some 13,000 non-citizens convicted of homicide were on its records and not in its custody.

However, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which oversees ICE, said the figures cover a period of many years, and include migrants who entered the US under the Trump presidency and previous administrations.

The DHS said: "The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this [Biden-Harris] administration.

I do love it so when you do exactly as you accuse others of doing and make a complete ass of yourself. Oh, and you also jumped the gun without waiting for all the info to come out.