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Thought we'd at least be hearing rumors by now

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BBG said:
And let's be fair, he was sorta put in to a no-win (pun intended) situation. Zero head coaching experience .. zero experience rebuilding a program... tough schedules... and really doesn't know how to develop players.

It was a risk that just didn't pay off... and if something isn't done, next season could be the final nail in the coffin for the program as the fans will just not show up/watch/stop caring.
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I gotta push back against this…

No way in hell will I accept the notion that CRW was put in a “no-win” situation! Upon accepting the job, I heard a bold, confident guy who gushed about being handed the keys to a Maserati….

NOBODY with the slightest grasp of reality expected 10-win seasons right off the bat — what we did expect was a competently-coached team that was building something.

Unfortunately for him and us- CRW has failed in developing talent, implementing an offensive or defensive identity , and game planning to demonstrate even a basic level of competitiveness against most Power 4 competition.
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Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

qazplm
New Pal Boiler said:
The $20 million is already public knowledge, hence “baked in” to the equation.

You assemble a list of “can’t miss” current head coaches, offer them your “max” salary and salary pool, along with their NIL and rev share numbers, and then if you strike out, maybe you consider giving Walters one more year. And that would be bad news in this scenario.
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I mean there's no such thing as a can't miss coach.

Certainly they should be talking to people and certainly they should be prepared to significantly increase nil spending. But since I have no confidence in the latter, I'm skeptical about who they'd get with the former.

If they were committed to properly funding the program, they probably don't pick Walters in the first place. He was the budget option. Which isn't his fault by the way. They could have paired him with top rate coordinators but they went budget there too.

Until we stop going motel 6, it's going to be a crapshoot at best.
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Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

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pboiler18 said:
I don’t know what we are disagreeing on.

Revenue sharing sets us in a higher tier for paying players over schools that can’t do it.

If we pay our coaches, pay our players and continue to put money into the program, I don’t see why we can’t be a 7-9 win team every year.
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On when to fire the coach. I want Purdue to make a hire with big player acquisition money ready to go. I don’t want them to hire a guy who is just okay and then for everyone to say “he was okay you can’t fire him after one year just cause revenue sharing started”
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Linda McMahon: So being co-CEO of a wrastling federation qualifies you for Secretary of Education

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BNIBoiler said:
You actually want to go there. Chump has all kinds of sex assault allegations, lost one in a civil court, on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women, paying off porn stars, 34 felony convictions, plus being a POS on top of all of that and that seems to ok with the republicans.
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Answer the question: Biden was accused credibly, of committing a sex crime. Are you giving him a pass ?
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Linda McMahon: So being co-CEO of a wrastling federation qualifies you for Secretary of Education

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BNIBoiler said:
Republican definition of qualified = Sex offender

Hegseth, Gaetz, and RFK Jr have all been accused of sex crimes. Knowing this, Chump never should have selected these ne'er do wells. However, knowing this and to further his authoritarian agenda, Chump was most likely going to bully/shame the republicans on the Judiciary committee to vote these folks through. Luckily there were some republicans on the committee that was not going to vote for Gaetz and he withdrew his name.
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You do know that Biden was accused of sex crimes as well, right? What are your thoughts on that?
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Thought we'd at least be hearing rumors by now

Bippus33
Quix0te said:
I dearly hope that is what Bobinski is doing right now. It makes no sense to fire Walters before the season ends. Our best outcome is that our AD has a top replacement ready to hit the ground running on Dec 1st.

Also, I'm glad Bobinski has made no public comment. What's he supposed to say? "I support Coach Walters."?
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If he is going to keep him no matter what, he should've given CRW his support weeks ago. Since he has failed to do so, I suspect that CRW is gone.
Honestly, the only thing that keeps CRW as head coach is if Bobo has no one to replace him with by early signing 12.4.24. At that point, they blame the coming player compensation........
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Linda McMahon: So being co-CEO of a wrastling federation qualifies you for Secretary of Education

BNIBoiler
Quix0te said:
I don't think you get the picture. I don't care who these guys have shacked up with, paid hush money to or grabbed by the genitals. I'm focused upon who will provide border security, stop the DEI lunacy, get transfreaks out of women's sports and deport the illegals.
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DEI lunacy? White women have been the largest benefactors of affirmative action and DEI. Therefore, you are fine with white women being selected or hired, correct? It's the people of color that you have a problem with, correct?
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Just for fun....had Painter used the portal..

northside100
qazplm said:
First of all, I have zero reason to believe he would have been some horrible cultural fit and neither do you. He spent all four years at Illinois. He wasn't bouncing around. I don't remember any rumors of him being a locker room cancer. I didn't see any play that showed he was selfish or not a team player.

Second of all, the six rebounds and 12 pts a game you have decided are not impressive sure are better than anything Furst or Berg have been doing. So yeah, barring some poor cultural fit which neither of us have any reason to believe would be true, he would have been a very needed addition.

And yes that's assuming there wasn't some crazy cultural barrier which made that unlikely. Dude isn't AJ Storr who clearly would not fit in here.

I'm done though with a ridic back and forth over a hypothetical discussion. Feel free to have the last word.
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There's really no back and forth. You're making statements that don't make sense and I'm pointing that out. You're probably new to posting here, I'll cut you some slack and let it go.
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Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

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BCfanatic2020 said:
We can agree to disagree.

Even the biggest basketball fans on KC admitted that of that 20 million 12 probably goes to football. That means even if you split it 85 ways, before donors pay a dime, you’re at $141k per player.

I think the bottom 30 players getting only 50 probably works. That puts you at 190 for your top 55. Highly possibly that you can end up going 50 for 30, 100 for another 20, 150 for another 20, 200 for 10. And you can go get 5 guys or keep five guys making about 700,000

There are very few people in football doing something new or that know something others don’t anymore. So, if you’re one of few openings and you can offer that to one of said people right away, you can probably get one. Instead of maxing out at like a Bret bielema
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I don’t know what we are disagreeing on.

Revenue sharing sets us in a higher tier for paying players over schools that can’t do it.

If we pay our coaches, pay our players and continue to put money into the program, I don’t see why we can’t be a 7-9 win team every year.
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Thought we'd at least be hearing rumors by now

Chi-Boiler
daveK-RELOADED said:
Option 2 - Can Him:
You going to pay the 9 mil buyout? So there's a rabbit jumping out of a hat somewhere? Another impressive coordinator that talks good in an interview? Some old boy that's all washed up? I seriously doubt the AD has done much homework on this.
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If this is true, then we have bigger problems than we realize. I don't think it's true. IF Bobinski is planning to fire Walters, he has to have done some homework already.
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Just for fun....had Painter used the portal..

qazplm
DwaynePurvis00 said:
Yes we will a logjam everywhere…but yeah I agree, why not bring in 1-2 guys from portal to fill in or just have?
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Next year we will have two interior players that have shown something, Jacobsen and Burgess to go along with what will be our star inside player TKR. I don't think that's a logjam. Furst is gone and I don't think Berg is going to be the answer.

Bringing in an athletic 6-10ish guy who can rebound and play some defense and can play outside in is something that would definitely be value added. There's quite a few out there at the mid major level, I have to believe there's one or two that would jump at a chance to play one season here and would fit just fine.
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Just for fun....had Painter used the portal..

qazplm
ChoiceBeef said:
For those who tossed out Coleman Hawkins….loser.

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Purdue has had some pretty good individual players on a couple of crap teams, were they losers too?

Teams matter. How someone fits on one team and how that team performs doesn't translate necessarily.

We saw two guys come to Purdue and Tennessee last year. One was a key cog on a national runner up team, the other the top player on an elite right team and currently in the NBA. They both played for the same team and that team didn't exactly play like it.
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qazplm
northside100 said:
So when you said that Hawkins would have been a 'a ridiculously good addition', do you think that would have been true even if he were a poor cultural fit?
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First of all, I have zero reason to believe he would have been some horrible cultural fit and neither do you. He spent all four years at Illinois. He wasn't bouncing around. I don't remember any rumors of him being a locker room cancer. I didn't see any play that showed he was selfish or not a team player.

Second of all, the six rebounds and 12 pts a game you have decided are not impressive sure are better than anything Furst or Berg have been doing. So yeah, barring some poor cultural fit which neither of us have any reason to believe would be true, he would have been a very needed addition.

And yes that's assuming there wasn't some crazy cultural barrier which made that unlikely. Dude isn't AJ Storr who clearly would not fit in here.

I'm done though with a ridic back and forth over a hypothetical discussion. Feel free to have the last word.
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Why I don’t think Walters 100% gets fired and why that’s a good thing

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pboiler18 said:
Sure. But if we can pay 105 kids 100k per year from the school and ACC and BIg12 teams can’t that gives us a huge leg up. Then from there all of our NIL donor money can go to specific players beyond the 100k.

I think you greatly overestimate how much kids are making and just how many currently make over 100k.

At the end of the day, it would take a 6-7mil boost per year to get the HC and assistant pool to top grade. We should do that. If the school can front the 10.5mil for the 100k, call it marketing and do that. This stuff should be hammered out now and sellable to a new coach. If it hasn’t been we need an entirely new AD.
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We can agree to disagree.

Even the biggest basketball fans on KC admitted that of that 20 million 12 probably goes to football. That means even if you split it 85 ways, before donors pay a dime, you’re at $141k per player.

I think the bottom 30 players getting only 50 probably works. That puts you at 190 for your top 55. Highly possibly that you can end up going 50 for 30, 100 for another 20, 150 for another 20, 200 for 10. And you can go get 5 guys or keep five guys making about 700,000

There are very few people in football doing something new or that know something others don’t anymore. So, if you’re one of few openings and you can offer that to one of said people right away, you can probably get one. Instead of maxing out at like a Bret bielema
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Just for fun....had Painter used the portal..

northside100
Boiler Buck said:
Yes, given next year's seniors........I will be disappointed in CMP if he doesn't go for broke, and bring a guy in, that improves even this good team. Every year 50+/- guys are available that, even with our talent, will help our team. I trust his judgement to sort through those ~ 50ish guys & bring the right guy in.
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To your original point on winning the Big Ten, I only see him aggressively pursuing one of those guys if this season doesn't go as well as expected.

Most if not all of those 50 guys will want some combination of cash and/or assurances on PT and a featured role. If this season is a disappointment and we don't see much from Cam at the four or the combination of RB and Berg at the 5 and/or DJ's recovery is not on track, Painter may have to operate outside of his comfort zone in going to add a frontcourt player. If that's not the case it seems more likely to me that he'll bank on Cam, RB and DJ rather than writing a check or making promises.

Who knows, long season yet to go. Will Berg may end up being a force by March.
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