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qazplm · Dec 9, 2024

DwaynePurvis00 said:
Mason made the decision to move on. Paint said he’d have a spot if he wanted it.

Mason is 6’6 and would not spell TKR. Heide is a much better defender. Zach covered up a lot of what Mason lacks.

I gave you his stats because he’s not playing with Zach anymore and his stats wouldn’t be 50% from 3 or anything more than 4 boards a game here at Purdue. If he did stay, he’d take away mins from Heide and that’s not a good thing. That lineup would be very slow and one less person who can create their own shot or get by the defense.

Heide is not a much better defender. I get it, you really like Heide. Heide has a long way to go to being a consistent player.

But it doesn't matter because he wouldn't be competing with Heide for playing time, he'd be competing with Furst and Berg and I don't see how anyone can think if those are your three options that Gillis isn't the best of the three. I'm pretty sure not only would Duke not take the other two but neither would see more than mop up end of bench blow out minutes for them.

rgarlitz · Dec 9, 2024

Chi-Boiler said:
Odom is not hiring Walters. Let's get that out of our heads right now. I don't even know why this is a topic. Okay, I do know why, but it shouldn't be. I hope Walters gets a nice new job as the CBs coach at Colorado State or somewhere out west.

We should all be so lucky for that kind of fresh State. Colorado State has a great campus and wonderful community. Lots of good beer. Fort Collins isn't the cheapest town, but I'm sure Walters and his $9,340,000 can afford it.

OneWayStreet · Dec 9, 2024

I've seen Berg do some really solid stuff with some very unfortunate breaks. I would have been alright riding Berg through a learning curve while he adapts to the pace. Seems like he's being sent a message - get better or sit. I still think he's got an expanding role later in the season.

KentuckyBoiler · Dec 9, 2024

I think it is funny how IU’s coach thought they should have gotten a home game. They should be happy to just be in the CFP with their schedule. Maybe the goose poop played a part in them not getting a home game too.

DwaynePurvis00 · Dec 9, 2024

qazplm said:
He'd be doing what Furst and Berg mostly do, either spelling TKR or more likely playing next to him when we go bigger.

He wouldn't do worse than Heide at guarding 4s. He would be an improvement in Berg for sure and on the current incarnation of Furst. He would not be better than Jacobson although he certainly could have played the 4 next to him to spell TKR.

Duke is a completely different team and system so I don't think his stats there say anything about how he would fit here in a system he'd been playing in his whole college career.

I'm pretty sure if Matt had the room he wouldn't tell Mason anything but welcome back. Obviously, at the time, it was a moot point.

Mason made the decision to move on. Paint said he’d have a spot if he wanted it.

Mason is 6’6 and would not spell TKR. Heide is a much better defender. Zach covered up a lot of what Mason lacks.

I gave you his stats because he’s not playing with Zach anymore and his stats wouldn’t be 50% from 3 or anything more than 4 boards a game here at Purdue. If he did stay, he’d take away mins from Heide and that’s not a good thing. That lineup would be very slow and one less person who can create their own shot or get by the defense.

DwaynePurvis00 · Dec 9, 2024

Berg does not complement Braden well. He can’t react fast enough to smith’a passing (why he got hit in the face), nor is he in the right spot.

Furst shows signs of being decent but then a lot of the time he is weak going up and loses it or doesn’t look to score. They’re about even, so if Furst can do other things better, he plays more.

qazplm · Dec 9, 2024

DwaynePurvis00 said:
I know this is hypothetical but, where would Mason have gone if we go two bigs—the 3?

And he is significantly better…at hitting 3s and maybe a tad better at rebounding than Furst and Berg. But he shined because we had a 7’4 guy that covered a lot for him. Mason was 6’6. He can’t guard the 3 (not which enough) and was a bit undersized for guarding the 4, but was able to rebound a bit more as teams keyed on Zach.

In 14 mpg, he is averaging 2 rebounds right now and shooting 28% from 3 (unfortunately). While I love Mason and he was great for Purdue, Zach had a lot to do with his success.

He'd be doing what Furst and Berg mostly do, either spelling TKR or more likely playing next to him when we go bigger.

He wouldn't do worse than Heide at guarding 4s. He would be an improvement in Berg for sure and on the current incarnation of Furst. He would not be better than Jacobson although he certainly could have played the 4 next to him to spell TKR.

Duke is a completely different team and system so I don't think his stats there say anything about how he would fit here in a system he'd been playing in his whole college career.

I'm pretty sure if Matt had the room he wouldn't tell Mason anything but welcome back. Obviously, at the time, it was a moot point.

Chi-Boiler · Dec 9, 2024

Odom is not hiring Walters. Let's get that out of our heads right now. I don't even know why this is a topic. Okay, I do know why, but it shouldn't be. I hope Walters gets a nice new job as the CBs coach at Colorado State or somewhere out west.

RDUBoiler · Dec 9, 2024

TwinDegrees2 said:
I believe this will be the end of Bo's time at Purdue. Less than impressed with Odom's overall record and much like Hazell when he was declared the savant to take PU to the top of the heap. Far better coaches available IMHO, but then, Purdue hasn't been a destination for greatness on the plastic grass lately.

That said, I wish him well putting a staff together and playing with the big boys in the Big 10.

He's going to be exponentially better than Walters and will have us in a bowl game soon. He did a decent job at Missouri and his rebuilding effort at UNLV was impressive. He has a much longer track record than any coach we've had in recent memory, most of it solid.

DwaynePurvis00 · Dec 9, 2024

qazplm said:
Agreed. He's significantly better than Furst or Berg, so when we go two bigs, he'd be in there.

He's a serious threat from three which would open things up for TKR. It would also open things up with hard hedging a little as he'd be covered by a forward who might be less used to guarding a perimeter player.

He also doesn't have the yips Furst has right now. I don't think we beat Marquette but I think PSU doesn't turn into a blowout with him.

I know this is hypothetical but, where would Mason have gone if we go two bigs—the 3?

And he is significantly better…at hitting 3s and maybe a tad better at rebounding than Furst and Berg. But he shined because we had a 7’4 guy that covered a lot for him. Mason was 6’6. He can’t guard the 3 (not which enough) and was a bit undersized for guarding the 4, but was able to rebound a bit more as teams keyed on Zach.

In 14 mpg, he is averaging 2 rebounds right now and shooting 28% from 3 (unfortunately). While I love Mason and he was great for Purdue, Zach had a lot to do with his success.

RDUBoiler · Dec 9, 2024

Is there any precedent for a fired coach to come back to the team immediately after being fired and to take a coordinator position. Like literally any? I've seen coaches get forced at out as coach and "promoted" to athletics director or whatever. But given how catastrophically bad we were on both sides of the football, why would you keep the guy who orchestrated that and allow him to run one half of what he did badly?

*Shockerrr* · Dec 9, 2024

I’m sure there will be other coaches that come with but getting his OC is a must get!!

HarrysPostGame13 · Dec 9, 2024

New Pal Boiler said:
Agreed. But you do know he was Odom’s DC, right? He might view him as an asset, believe it or not.

I saw that he was and am hoping Odom is wise enough to look elsewhere.

rgarlitz · Dec 9, 2024

New Pal Boiler said:
Agreed. But you do know he was Odom’s DC, right? He might view him as an asset, believe it or not.

Odom might see Walters as an asset in the sense that he's had success in the past and might very well be successful in the future, sure.

But, an asset in the context of Odom's first staff at Purdue? That's very hard to believe.

New Pal Boiler · Dec 9, 2024

HarrysPostGame13 said:
Keeping a guy who got beat by 34 points or more in half of his games around the program would be the height of stupidity. Get him as far away from here as possible and let Odom do his thing.

Agreed. But you do know he was Odom’s DC, right? He might view him as an asset, believe it or not.

TwinDegrees2 · Dec 9, 2024

KentuckyBoiler said:
We need to retain his OC Marian for sure.

My question is what we do for QB. Some good QBs in the portal, but are we going to spend money or go with a cheaper one and do a Card again?

Card was a decent top-level recruit who came to play and found a weak and undersized O line protecting him.

qazplm · Dec 9, 2024

lovelyblonde said:
I can agree to this post on some level. You won't have the stats though if you are barely getting minutes. I guess that is what Painter sees in practice.

Seems obvious on the court. Painter basically only has four bigs right now, and one of them apparently has conditioning issues so only plays a handful of minutes. He has a serious need and still doesn't play Berg much, that should tell you everything.

TwinDegrees2 · Dec 9, 2024

bonefish1 said:
I'm OK with the hire. I like that he has HC experience in the SEC, so the lights won't be too bright.
Would love to know who Bobo's first call was to? What call was Odom? Did we reach out to Campbell, Mullen, Kelly?

I believe Odom was in the $2M range at UNLV, I suspect we got him for....$5M? Hopefully he brings his staff and any players who can play in the B10.

I believe this will be the end of Bo's time at Purdue. Less than impressed with Odom's overall record and much like Hazell when he was declared the savant to take PU to the top of the heap. Far better coaches available IMHO, but then, Purdue hasn't been a destination for greatness on the plastic grass lately.

That said, I wish him well putting a staff together and playing with the big boys in the Big 10.

qazplm · Dec 9, 2024

Purdue Grad in Texas said:
I'm agreeing to disagree because I think he'd be playing.....maybe not 20 or 25 minutes but enough. JMHO.

We'll never know, though......not even tomorrow.

Agreed. He's significantly better than Furst or Berg, so when we go two bigs, he'd be in there.

He's a serious threat from three which would open things up for TKR. It would also open things up with hard hedging a little as he'd be covered by a forward who might be less used to guarding a perimeter player.

He also doesn't have the yips Furst has right now. I don't think we beat Marquette but I think PSU doesn't turn into a blowout with him.

qazplm · Dec 9, 2024

Berg has some touch under the basket and some rebounding ability and... that's about it.

He is too slow both athletically and I think in processing the game at this level.

Furst is way better at both but seems to have the yips on offense which is seriously affecting his ability to contribute.

Neither bring anything close to what TKR bring and Jacobsen is already advanced past them both. Burgess is TBD. We are thin in the frontcourt.

Purdue Grad in Texas · Dec 9, 2024

New Pal Boiler said:
Furst is much quicker laterally on defense, he gives Painter options for switching.

Yes - and I thought Furst had a few good moments yesterday, save that ridiculous Maryland fast break assist from the missed slam.

New Pal Boiler · Dec 9, 2024

lovelyblonde said:
Are you one that thinks Furst brings so much more by chance? I haven't seen it and Iv'e pretty much only missed the Marquette game. Having one put back per game is NOTHING to give him more minutes than the others. I do not think Berg is any slower than other guys I have watched this season his size. Like I said, ALL of our BIGS HAVE TO GET BETTER, but I am strictly talking what one might bring over the other. LET ME BE CLEAR! I LOVE PURDUE BASKETBALL AND I WANT THEM ALL TO SUCCEED!

Furst is much quicker laterally on defense, he gives Painter options for switching.

Purdue Grad in Texas · Dec 9, 2024

He'll still get some opportunities.....though limited as they may be. He just has to BE and STAY ready when his number is called.....ready to produce in whatever way.....as Painter talks about. Not an easy task when you're down the depth chart a little - pulling for him, nonetheless.

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