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BuilderBob6 said:
Vision? His vision is to take the MAGA hard line position on every cultural, social, and controversial issue that comes up. Just like trump. He knows getting you pissed of and worked about those issues makes you like him.

He’s clearly uncomfortable in public. Stiff and awkward. His campaign has been a disaster. He has been hemorrhaging cash. His plan seems to be to out trump trump, moving farther to the right.

The perfect example of his core beliefs……..when the candidates were asked if they would support trump if he were the nominee, he looked left, then right, then left again before raising his hand. He had to check the room before deciding what to do. One would think the question should have been expected and the number two guy would be sure of his position.

His vision also includes using lethal force to stop suspected drug smugglers and sending the military into a sovereign country. Never mind that the vast majority of drugs come across at the ports of entry and not on individuals.

How can you tell someone is carrying drugs anyway? Apparently is doesn’t matter to Ron. Just shoot ‘em.
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Have you ever been to the border in a federal capacity? No? Good stop talking about it.

More drugs are confiscated at port of entry. more drugs enter at non port of entry. It’s common sense.

Last week the CPB released footage of a caravan of cartel members entering the country with military weapons. There has also been countless occasion where US and State LEO has been fired on by foreign combatants. Just because Pod Save America doesn’t report it….technology also allows you to visualize. And to “use lethal force” means you authorize under rules of engagement. Not be publicly convicted “of whipping people” w/o a trial (any apology yet?)

And we have been entering and executing missions in “sovereign” countries for a long time. Geez your guy Obama was the droner in chief. Those were foreign countries w/no declaration of war. Stop being naive.
 
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Joetboiler said:
Have you ever been to the border in a federal capacity? No? Good stop talking about it.

More drugs are confiscated at port of entry. more drugs enter at non port of entry. It’s common sense.

Last week the CPB released footage of a caravan of cartel members entering the country with military weapons. There has also been countless occasion where US and State LEO has been fired on by foreign combatants. Just because Pod Save America doesn’t report it….technology also allows you to visualize. And to “use lethal force” means you authorize under rules of engagement. Not be publicly convicted “of whipping people” w/o a trial (any apology yet?)

And we have been entering and executing missions in “sovereign” countries for a long time. Geez your guy Obama was the droner in chief. Those were foreign countries w/no declaration of war. Stop being naive.
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Has DeSantis ever been to the border in a federal capacity? No? Then I guess he doesn’t get to talk about it either. Nor does anybody who hasn’t fulfilled your requirements. Arrogant prick.

So if most of the drugs come in the ports of entry, why aren’t republicans screaming about more enforcement there? Because they want you to believe illegal immigrant Jose is packing 100 pounds of fentanyl on his back across the Rio Grande. Because they……you, are all about directly blaming illegal immigration for teenagers dying from fentanyl.

Federal rules of engagement don’t allow for shooting someone who you SUSPECT of carrying drugs while crossing the border.

You mean DeSantis was talking about covert military operations to combat the cartels in Mexico? Obrador has come out against it, several times. And while making public statements against a policy but allowing it privately is certainly not unheard of, this isn’t “A clear and present danger”. I’m not sure why DeSantis and trump would publicly call for these types of operations other than for political benefit.

Demand is the problem, it always has been, and that’s OUR problem.

Spending resources on further tightening ports of entry and drug abuse treatment should be what everyone is calling for.
 
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BuilderBob6 said:
So if most of the drugs come in the ports of entry, why aren’t republicans screaming about more enforcement there? Because they want you to believe illegal immigrant Jose is packing 100 pounds of fentanyl on his back across the Rio Grande. Because they……you, are all about directly blaming illegal immigration for teenagers dying from fentanyl.
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According to Chump, that is why their calves are so big.
 
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Joetboiler said:
In 2016 Trump was calling into Morning Joe every morning? Why? Because they were normalizing him and wanted him to be the candidate. You don’t remember this? You do know the DNC spent 50 million plus on “MAGA” candidates? You do realize the cross pollination between the Democratic Party and the MSM right? Should we go through the name of former Biden and Obama official in the media or married to a media member?

So if. you believe this above to be true, but you think that they are playing it straight when it comes to analysis on the R primary? That they are not taking lead from D strategists who show data has Trump is the easiest opponent? Sure Trump could win but the data says for Biden/Harris he is a lot easier opponent. It’s probably 50/50 and he lost

And it probably isn’t a guarantee that Biden is the nominee. Now how do you feel about an aged maligned candidate going up against Kid Wonder (despite what a failure GN is)? Now the Biden record is off the table. Yeah it was bad and people were angry in 2022 and Trump/linked candidates lost in every swing State.

Are you about a man or a movement?
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If you go back to the original comment that I replied to, the question was related to why candidates weren’t challenging Trump. My point was that if roughly 50% of the voters still support Trump, what is the candidate’s interest in tuning out those voters?

Attacking Trump 500 days before the election doesn’t make a lot of sense IMO, especially given that Christie is already doing so. If all of the candidates were 100% in Trumps camp, they wouldn’t be participating in the debate.

My point was going after Trump today doesn’t make much sense. Please explain how it does. My follow up comments were only liberals and some independents that hate Trump want to see that. Independent might be turned next summer but their support isn’t needed today…see Christie’s support as confirmation. Today, the GOP candidates are looking for GOP support (and most 95% of those don’t hate Trump).

You could put Romney, Cheney and Christie all on the stage at the same time, and they would be fighting over a the few voters that hate Trump.

Discussing the difference between a candidate’s policies and Trump’s policies just might make a difference. As you adequately point out, Trump has plenty of things not to like about him that goes well beyond his policies.

RE New wonder Democrat candidate. Who’s that? Newsom? Newsom is the same as Democrat party. Look at SF and LA that’s Newsom’s record. Newsom loses to just about any Republican candidate because the Biden record on the economy is the Democrat party record on the economy. Why?, because Biden has done EXACTLY what the Democrats wanted. Biden dragged his feet on college debt and bought in last August to buy voters before the November election.

Democrats want free candy and Biden has given them everything he could and tried to give them more until the USSC blocked him.

And all of that free candy led to inflation (not all of it, but a significant portion contrary to the Democrat narrative, ask the SF Fed)
 
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Joetboiler said:
In 2016 Trump was calling into Morning Joe every morning? Why? Because they were normalizing him and wanted him to be the candidate. You don’t remember this? You do know the DNC spent 50 million plus on “MAGA” candidates? You do realize the cross pollination between the Democratic Party and the MSM right? Should we go through the name of former Biden and Obama official in the media or married to a media member?

So if. you believe this above to be true, but you think that they are playing it straight when it comes to analysis on the R primary? That they are not taking lead from D strategists who show data has Trump is the easiest opponent? Sure Trump could win but the data says for Biden/Harris he is a lot easier opponent. It’s probably 50/50 and he lost

And it probably isn’t a guarantee that Biden is the nominee. Now how do you feel about an aged maligned candidate going up against Kid Wonder (despite what a failure GN is)? Now the Biden record is off the table. Yeah it was bad and people were angry in 2022 and Trump/linked candidates lost in every swing State.

Are you about a man or a movement?
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If you go back to the original comment that I replied to, the question was related to why candidates weren’t challenging Trump. My point was that if >50% of the candidates still support Trump, what is the candidate’s interest in tuning out those voters?

Attacking Trump 500 days before the election doesn’t make a lot of sense IMO, especially given that Christie is already doing so. If all of the candidates were 100% in Trumps camp, they wouldn’t be participating in the debate.

My point was going after Trump today doesn’t make much sense. Please explain how it does. My follow up comments were only liberals and some independents that hate Trump want to see that. Those voters can will be turned next summer. Today, the GOP candidates are looking to GOP support.

You could put Romney, Cheney and Christie all on the stage at the same time, and they would be fighting over a the few voters that hate Trump.

Hating Trump won’t win the GOP candidacy, showing the difference between a candidate’s policies and Trump’s policies just might. As you adequately point out, Trump has plenty of things not to like about him that goes well beyond his policies

BTW - I don’t care if Trump wins, Desantis wins, Youngkin wins or anyone else wins the GOP nomination, I just want Biden and the far left Democrat policies defeated next November, just like they were in 2022 (and that included the abortion hot button, without that, it likely would have been a “red wave”)

One last question. If you think the Democrats want Trump to run because he is the “easy” candidate, why all of the indictments? And more importantly, why weren’t those indictments hand out in the last half 2021 or in 2022. Nope, let’s wait until the last half of 2023 so it can impact the election. That’s is some 4-D chess the Democrats are playing if Trump is actually convicted. Oh, wait, Biden and DNC is going to tell the judge and jury, nevermind, let’s let Trump of the hook because Joe Biden wants to face him in the Presidential election.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.
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It doesn't become less foolish as you repeat it over and over.
BNIBoiler said:
If the current crop of repub presidential candidates were really serious about being president they should be really taking advantage of Chump’s criminal situation and condemn what he has done.
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What specifically should they condemn? Do you have any idea or are you just repeating what you think you heard on urban radio again?
 
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Riveting- said:
It doesn't become less foolish as you repeat it over and over.

What specifically should they condemn? Do you have any idea or are you just repeating what you think you heard on urban radio again?
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I don’t understand why you ask that question. Have you been following all of the Chump indictments? Condemn all of the alleged wrongdoings Chump has been indicted on. How can you run for office against a candidate with serious baggage and not attack every chance you get. The candidates that aren’t attacking aren’t serious about being president. They are just auditioning for the VP. If not selected Chump’s running mate then some position in the administration. Since Haley resigned the last time, Chump won’t pick her for any position if he wins.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
I don’t understand why you ask that question. Have you been following all of the Chump indictments? Condemn all of the alleged wrongdoings Chump has been indicted on. How can you run for office against a candidate with serious baggage and not attack every chance you get. The candidates that aren’t attacking aren’t serious about being president. They are just auditioning for the VP. If not selected Chump’s running mate then some position in the administration. Since Haley resigned the last time, Chump won’t pick her for any position if he wins.
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Because they'd look foolish to "condemn" a man for allegations. You know, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.
 
BNIBoiler said:
I don’t understand why you ask that question. Have you been following all of the Chump indictments? Condemn all of the alleged wrongdoings Chump has been indicted on. How can you run for office against a candidate with serious baggage and not attack every chance you get. The candidates that aren’t attacking aren’t serious about being president. They are just auditioning for the VP. If not selected Chump’s running mate then some position in the administration. Since Haley resigned the last time, Chump won’t pick her for any position if he wins.
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Because, fauxgrad, the other candidates - along with anyone of minimal intelligence - understand that all of the charges will eventually be dismissed or rejected by higher courts.

The sole purpose of the indictments is to get Trump nominated, tie up his resources, and use the charges against him in the prez campaign. Sleazy politics 101, but it is beyond you.

thehill.com

The Memo: Democrats pine for Trump as GOP nominee

Former President Trump met a muted response from many Republicans when he launched his 2024 White House bid at Mar-A-Lago this month. But his campaign is stirring excitement, and even some gl…
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Riveting- said:
Because, fauxgrad, the other candidates - along with anyone of minimal intelligence - understand that all of the charges will eventually be dismissed or rejected by higher courts.

The sole purpose of the indictments is to get Trump nominated, tie up his resources, and use the charges against him in the prez campaign. Sleazy politics 101, but it is beyond you.

thehill.com

The Memo: Democrats pine for Trump as GOP nominee

Former President Trump met a muted response from many Republicans when he launched his 2024 White House bid at Mar-A-Lago this month. But his campaign is stirring excitement, and even some gl…
thehill.com thehill.com
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That’s just another conspiracy theory. I don’t know one democrat that wants Chump nominated. Most I know are like me and want him to just go away.

That’s why I’ve been pushing for sensible repubs to win the nomination. The non-MAGA cult type. Because if the repubs win the presidency it will be someone I can somewhat like and support while in office instead of some jackass. I’m telling y’all, a combination of Christie/Pence/Cheney will be intriguing and a possible winning ticket. A lot of independents can dig that ticket and possibly some democrats. But no, these folks are labeled by the MAGA cult as RINOs or never Chumpers.

So, if Chump gets through all these indictments and get nominated. Then lose to Biden, or whoever, the repubs will regret not putting Chump out to pasture after loosing in 2020.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
That’s just another conspiracy theory. I don’t know one democrat that wants Chump nominated. Most I know are like me and want him to just go away.

That’s why I’ve been pushing for sensible repubs to win the nomination. The non-MAGA cult type. Because if the repubs win the presidency it will be someone I can somewhat like and support while in office instead of some jackass. I’m telling y’all, a combination of Christie/Pence/Cheney will be intriguing and a possible winning ticket. A lot of independents can dig that ticket and possibly some democrats. But no, these folks are labeled by the MAGA cult as RINOs or never Chumpers.

So, if Chump gets through all these indictments and get nominated. Then lose to Biden, or whoever, the repubs will regret not putting Chump out to pasture after loosing in 2020.
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Christie and Pence are unelectable and Cheney is not a Republican.
 
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Christie and Prnce are unelectable and Cheney is not a Republican.
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How are Christie and Pence unelectable? Because they are not part of the MAGA cult. That is ignorant to say that Cheney is not a Republican. Her conservative voting record says otherwise. All 3 are more Republican than Chump ever was. Chump was pro-choice before Steve Bannon told him, prior to announcing that he was running, was that he had to change his position to pro- life.
 
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BNIBoiler said:
That’s just another conspiracy theory. I don’t know one democrat that wants Chump nominated. Most I know are like me and want him to just go away.
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That's because the dems you know all listen to the same msnbc/urban regime media.

Trump is the only repub Crooked Joe could possibly beat because he can focus the election on Trump, Trump, Trump instead of his own record of incompetence and damage to the nation.

If Joe has to run against a different repub, what can he possibly say about his record other than lying about it? Tell us, fauxgrad, what successes can Joe campaign on?
 
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BNIBoiler said:
I don’t understand why you ask that question. Have you been following all of the Chump indictments? Condemn all of the alleged wrongdoings Chump has been indicted on. How can you run for office against a candidate with serious baggage and not attack every chance you get. The candidates that aren’t attacking aren’t serious about being president. They are just auditioning for the VP. If not selected Chump’s running mate then some position in the administration. Since Haley resigned the last time, Chump won’t pick her for any position if he wins.
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Because they know conservative voters have such overwhelming support for Trump.

Conservative voters prefer trump whether vs the establishment R's or biden

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Boilermaker03 said:
Keep telling yourself that. Now go move to a socialist utopia where you can be happy.
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We will never be a Socialist or Communist Country. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY HERE, YOU CAN LEAVE! It is your choice, and your choice alone. This is about love for America. Certain people HATE our Country.
 
Telling The Truth said:
We will never be a Socialist or Communist Country. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY HERE, YOU CAN LEAVE! It is your choice, and your choice alone. This is about love for America. Certain people HATE our Country.
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You're delusional if you don't think it can happen here. Death by 1000 cuts. We already have Socialist and Fascist policies. Communism is just a short step to the left.
 
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That's because the dems you know all listen to the same msnbc/urban regime media.

Trump is the only repub Crooked Joe could possibly beat because he can focus the election on Trump, Trump, Trump instead of his own record of incompetence and damage to the nation.

If Joe has to run against a different repub, what can he possibly say about his record other than lying about it? Tell us, fauxgrad, what successes can Joe campaign on?
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Still trying to think of a success Joe can run on, @BNIBoiler ?

Or just hiding again?
 
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Still trying to think of a success Joe can run on, @BNIBoiler ?

Or just hiding again?
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Unemployment is the lowest that it’s been on decades. But y’all will spin it that those numbers don’t reflect those not actively looking for work. Or whatever the crap y’all said during the Obama admin when the job rate was dropping. Here are some more accomplishments.
 
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BuilderBob6 said:
Has DeSantis ever been to the border in a federal capacity? No? Then I guess he doesn’t get to talk about it either. Nor does anybody who hasn’t fulfilled your requirements. Arrogant prick.

So if most of the drugs come in the ports of entry, why aren’t republicans screaming about more enforcement there? Because they want you to believe illegal immigrant Jose is packing 100 pounds of fentanyl on his back across the Rio Grande. Because they……you, are all about directly blaming illegal immigration for teenagers dying from fentanyl.

Federal rules of engagement don’t allow for shooting someone who you SUSPECT of carrying drugs while crossing the border.

You mean DeSantis was talking about covert military operations to combat the cartels in Mexico? Obrador has come out against it, several times. And while making public statements against a policy but allowing it privately is certainly not unheard of, this isn’t “A clear and present danger”. I’m not sure why DeSantis and trump would publicly call for these types of operations other than for political benefit.

Demand is the problem, it always has been, and that’s OUR problem.

Spending resources on further tightening ports of entry and drug abuse treatment should be what everyone is calling for.
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@BoilerBob6

So you disagree with a poster and call him an arrogant prick? Do you even have a slight understanding of what you are?
 
BNIBoiler said:
Unemployment is the lowest that it’s been on decades. But y’all will spin it that those numbers don’t reflect those not actively looking for work. Or whatever the crap y’all said during the Obama admin when the job rate was dropping. Here are some more accomplishments.
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It is not spin just because it weakens your argument; it is what the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports about the labor participation rate.

Otherwise, can't you come up with something yourself ( that is, think for yourself) instead of linking to state-sponsored media from 8 months ago? For example, the first item in the npr link is about covid. Joe said in Oct 2020 that anyone who presided over 222,000 deaths like Trump didn't deserve to be president, but now he has "presided" over 700,000 covid deaths. So do you really think that is a good campaign issue for Joe??

A real Purdue grad can speak for himself. Can you?

www.barrons.com

Biden: Anyone Responsible For So Many Covid Deaths 'Should Not' Be President

Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection.
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BNIBoiler said:
Unemployment is the lowest that it’s been on decades. But y’all will spin it that those numbers don’t reflect those not actively looking for work. Or whatever the crap y’all said during the Obama admin when the job rate was dropping. Here are some more accomplishments.
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Your link doesn't indicate the unemployment rate.
Although, IMO, as I have stated before the unemployment rate is pretty worthless.
The real indication of employment is shown in the link below.

www.statista.com

U.S. labor force 1990-2023 | Statista

This graph shows the civilian labor force in the United States from 1990 to 2023.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

To give Biden credit the number of employed in 2021, 161.2 million, was close to the all time high during the Trump adm. of 163.5 million.
The 2022 numbers are not complete yet, look at the disclaimer at the bottom.
Also we know for certain the US population rose by 8 million illegals lol.
 
Joetboiler said:
Have you ever been to the border in a federal capacity? No? Good stop talking about it.

More drugs are confiscated at port of entry. more drugs enter at non port of entry. It’s common sense.

Last week the CPB released footage of a caravan of cartel members entering the country with military weapons. There has also been countless occasion where US and State LEO has been fired on by foreign combatants. Just because Pod Save America doesn’t report it….technology also allows you to visualize. And to “use lethal force” means you authorize under rules of engagement. Not be publicly convicted “of whipping people” w/o a trial (any apology yet?)

And we have been entering and executing missions in “sovereign” countries for a long time. Geez your guy Obama was the droner in chief. Those were foreign countries w/no declaration of war. Stop being naive.
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I’ve been several times to Reynosa, Matamoros, Tijuana, Juarez, Nogales and Del Rio off the top of my head for border towns. Crossing the river sometimes was walking through a foot of water. Had two deceased cousins that worked border patrol many years ago. The open southern border is a huge problem for the USA today and will be costly for many years...
 
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Because, fauxgrad, the other candidates - along with anyone of minimal intelligence - understand that all of the charges will eventually be dismissed or rejected by higher courts.

The sole purpose of the indictments is to get Trump nominated, tie up his resources, and use the charges against him in the prez campaign. Sleazy politics 101, but it is beyond you.

thehill.com

The Memo: Democrats pine for Trump as GOP nominee

Former President Trump met a muted response from many Republicans when he launched his 2024 White House bid at Mar-A-Lago this month. But his campaign is stirring excitement, and even some gl…
thehill.com thehill.com
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BoilerJS said:
Your link doesn't indicate the unemployment rate.
Although, IMO, as I have stated before the unemployment rate is pretty worthless.
The real indication of employment is shown in the link below.

www.statista.com

U.S. labor force 1990-2023 | Statista

This graph shows the civilian labor force in the United States from 1990 to 2023.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

To give Biden credit the number of employed in 2021, 161.2 million, was close to the all time high during the Trump adm. of 163.5 million.
The 2022 numbers are not complete yet, look at the disclaimer at the bottom.
Also we know for certain the US population rose by 8 million illegals lol.
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This has always been funny to me. You just said that the unemployment rate is meaningless. If it is meaningless, then why all the Chumpers and republicans in this forum and Faux News always boast about how low Chump got the unemployment rate. But now that Biden got it down to the lowest in decades, you say that it meaningless. The same people said that it was meaningless when Obama was dropping the unemployment rates. Y’all crack me up.
 
BNIBoiler said:
This has always been funny to me. You just said that the unemployment rate is meaningless. If it is meaningless, then why all the Chumpers and republicans in this forum and Faux News always boast about how low Chump got the unemployment rate. But now that Biden got it down to the lowest in decades, you say that it meaningless. The same people said that it was meaningless when Obama was dropping the unemployment rates. Y’all crack me up.
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How do you even keep up on your cool little derrogatory words you come up with for who and what? If any one on here used the same kind of stuff about black people you would be crying all day about it. It just shows you as being ignorant.

Back to your post which is comparing two totally different scenarios, I realize that is hard for you to understand. Biden hasn't done sh*t , when the Democrat's pandemic to win the election ran its course people went back to old jobs. Biden hasn't created sh*t.
 
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