Don’t know if you saw Beto O interrupt Gov Abbot press conference. That incident just guaranteed Abbot’s re-election. Lol
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My brother-in-law is LEO and ex-DEA. Not liberal in any sense of the word. His view is that these high-velocity rifles exist for one reason only and should not be readily available to average citizens as he has been on the other end of criminals armed with these weapons throughout his career.
If this kid came in with a handgun, he wouldn't have been able to take out that number of people in that short of time.
I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, but this isn't it.
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If this kid came in with a handgun, he wouldn't have been able to take out that number of people in that short of time.
I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, but this isn't it.
What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body
When a patient is shot by an AR-15, it "looks like a grenade went off in there."
Mental health needs to be addressed. Red flag laws are not being enforced.
We need to have mental health screenings as a prerequisite to purchasing and owning a firearm.
I would have agreed with you in the past, but with each passing massacre and the ensuing shrieks about “muh guns”, it seems pretty spot on to me.
So one thing you're leaving out, a lot of the rounds fired in an AR are also fired in long rifles (not AR 15). 223, 6.5 creedmoor etc.... the platform has zero to do with it and still doesn't change the fact that had people acted on the warning signs, this tragedy doesn't happen.My brother-in-law is LEO and ex-DEA. Not liberal in any sense of the word. His view is that these high-velocity rifles exist for one reason only and should not be readily available to average citizens as he has been on the other end of criminals armed with these weapons throughout his career.
If this kid came in with a handgun, he wouldn't have been able to take out that number of people in that short of time.
I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, but this isn't it.
What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body
When a patient is shot by an AR-15, it "looks like a grenade went off in there."
A handgun with a 15 round magazine is also fairly effective at killing people. And handguns account for the vast majority of gun deaths in the US.
If we could all come together and agree that mental health screening should be a prerequisite for purchasing and possessing a firearm, we could save many lives. We also need to get illegal guns out of gang members' and criminals' hands. Pointing at the AR15 as the reason for gun violence is like blaming sports cars for all vehicular deaths.
Problem is, in this instance I am not sure those even would of stopped him as there was no indication this was going to happen other than what he posted online.
Funny, because all I see are republicans saying they want a military state by arming teachers and having armed guards at every door. Whoops, there goes that freedom bullshit. But hey, thanks for clarifying that you’re cool with dead kids.
I wasn't pointing at the ar 15 as the reason for gun violence. I don't know where you get that I was. Never said that.
It was the weapon this teenager purchased a few days after his 18th birthday, just days before he killed these children. Actually he bought TWO. That's why I'm talking about that particular firearm.
Be glad to talk about handguns if you like.
My brother-in-law is LEO and ex-DEA. Not liberal in any sense of the word. His view is that these high-velocity rifles exist for one reason only and should not be readily available to average citizens as he has been on the other end of criminals armed with these weapons throughout his career.
If this kid came in with a handgun, he wouldn't have been able to take out that number of people in that short of time.
I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, but this isn't it.
What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body
When a patient is shot by an AR-15, it "looks like a grenade went off in there."
Another "gun expert" who knows nothing about guns. My 30-06 bolt action hunting rifle would do significantly more damage to the human body than the 5.56 round that the AR15 was designed to use. I can also buy a semi-auto 30-06 hunting rifle that fires at the same rate as the AR15.
Secondarily, why not discuss the weapon that kills more US citizens and police than any other weapon combined? The handgun is the most dangerous weapon that citizens can possess. It can be concealed easily and possessed by anyone without the knowledge of people around them. Statistically, the AR15 is a blip on the radar in comparison.
It's not about the weapon. It's about the mental health of the user...
The two things aren’t mutually exclusive, you know. It’s absolutely fine to admit we have both a gun issue and a mental health crisis in this country, Pat.
So it's the weapon and not mental health? We need mental health screenings prior to purchase...
They aren't mutually exclusive. But we have millions of responsible gun owners that have existed in the US for decades. Killings like this weren't common decades ago. What we really need is mental health screenings as a prerequisite for purchasing and owning a gun...
Nope because the lefty Dems in Chitcago have made it nearly impossible for Joe average to have a gun legally.
So……some common sense gun control? Because that’s really what it is. I mean we can call it what we want, but it would be something put in place to help keep guns out of hands of people who shouldn’t have them. And it would be a start. Sounds like we have some common ground here with this.
Bullshit. Who or what was stopping the guy from killing every kid in the room with a handgun once he barricaded himself in the room and eliminated the adults?My brother-in-law is LEO and ex-DEA. Not liberal in any sense of the word. His view is that these high-velocity rifles exist for one reason only and should not be readily available to average citizens as he has been on the other end of criminals armed with these weapons throughout his career.
If this kid came in with a handgun, he wouldn't have been able to take out that number of people in that short of time.
I am in favor of responsible gun ownership, but this isn't it.
What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body
When a patient is shot by an AR-15, it "looks like a grenade went off in there."
You do know that I can put 30 round clips on many of my handguns, which with two guns gives me 60 shots. With extra clips, that's 120 shots in not a long time.
And I point out again he entered through the back door which again...Wasn't locked. They just showed a video of him entering where he barricaded himself in one classroom.
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I have no issue with some common sense gun control (not gun bans) There are WAY too many mental health issues in this country for guns to be in the wrong hands. There are millions of responsible gun owners in this country that I believe would support this.
After reading this I truly asking, in 30 minutes no one stepped up to stop this? It all could of been avoid:
Abbott confirmed that Ramos had made three Facebook posts in the roughly 30 minutes leading up to the shooting.
"I'm going to shoot my grandmother," Ramos posted first.
"I shot my grandmother," he posted few minutes later.
"I'm going to shoot an elementary shool," the third post read.
This shooting and any shooting where someone is killed is horrible...but it's brought to a much higher light when it's innocent kids....like in Chicago. Simple question Pat...are you okay going back to profiling those with mental issues which would take someone pointing it out to authorities? Are you in or would you be in favor of homes for the mentally insane?
Oh now this one is a real gem. Do tell, which Christian values are you referring to? Because these days, many people who say they’re” Christian “ post photos of their entire family holding guns for their annual family xmas portrait. Do you mean those Christian values?
Traditional family unit? Is this 1945? 2.2 kids and a white picket fence and a stepford wife and a black housekeeper? Is that what you mean?
What I posted is directly from the news report so yeah, we DO know that. Zero grandstanding, it's just simple fact because if something was done or said to the proper authorities in that timeframe, this doesn't happen. It's not any more complicated than that.
You're just being as disingenuous as always because it ruins your narrative until you regurgitate it when the next shooting happens as the warning signs are ignored...... again.
I’m not being disingenuous here at all. You’re claiming for a fact that this could have been stopped just because he posted something on Facebook. You don’t know that at all. It’s pure speculation on your part.
Even so, you’re at worst making an excuse here and at best just kicking the can down the road until the next mass shooting.
Years ago, we didn't have 235 channels on the TV trying to out do each other. Do you believe this would have happened had the Buffalo shooter hadn't got all the attention from those 235 channels? I still believe that spurs others.
Nope not doing anything you say here at all and certainly nothing different than you speculating that tougher gun laws would of done anything. What I posted at least was based on something tangible and not hyperbole like your assumptions.
But if you weren't being your typical hypocritical self, I'd be worried about you.
Oh and there is this:
He also allegedly posted disturbing images before the shooting, and apparently messaged a woman about his plans before he carried out the deadly attack.
So again yeah, someone knew and did nothing and could of stopped the whole thing. You wanting to ignore it to follow your narrative doesn't make it any less of a fact.
Delay it or find other means are both good alternatives. Maybe at 21 the shooter will realize shooting little kids is a bad idea? And for him to have to find other means, making it difficult for him, is also helpful. Heck, maybe he decides to just bring his own butter knife to do the killing? Do you think he can kill 19 little kids with butter knife?
So if someone laments to his buddy, "F*** Joe Biden! I so much wish that SOB dead" he should be arrested? And then what? Put him jail? For what crime? BTW, do all (or even most) shooters have to disclose their plan? Why is the emphasis on stopping people after they say some crazy sh!t, and not in asking, "Why is it a good idea that people can get AK-47 in Texas without permit and without training?"
I dunno if the doors are locked, but I'd think an AR or SMG can blast the door open pretty easily even if it's locked, don't you think?
I couldn't agree more that we need mental health screenings. Tell your republican Congressman or woman.
It's not always about the weapon. It's the ease of getting one.
But sometimes it is the weapon. The AR-15 has no use is everyday civilian life.
Even if people say they want to hunt or target shoot, explain the need for an AR pistol.
