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New York Prosecutes Couple For Fraud

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For Listing Their House For $499,000 When It Ultimately Sold For $485,000!!!!!!
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NEW YORK — Local couple Marty and Shelly Cross have been officially charged with fraud after listing their home for $499,000 when it ultimately sold for slightly less.

"The Cross family knowingly and willfully tried to get a good deal when they sold their home," explained Attorney General Letitia James. "The State of New York hereby assesses the Cross family a fine of $50 million for their egregious actions. If they cannot pay by tomorrow, we will begin kidnapping their children to hold as ransom."

According to sources, the bank had performed an appraisal and actually approved a loan for the buyer at $499,000, though ultimately after negotiations the selling price was slightly less. "Yes, the bank agreed to the price set by the Cross family," admitted James. "That doesn't mean Mr. and Mrs. Cross did not commit fraud! Banks, as we all know, are poor and helpless and at the mercy of whatever amount of money people ask for. The feeble, powerless bank is the victim here, having been duped by the Cross family - and they will pay!"

The Cross family were reportedly caught completely off guard by the charges, believing they had submitted a reasonable asking price. "All we did was ask for what we wanted! No one had to agree to it. I had no idea asking for the price you wanted for your home was illegal," said Shelly. "I have to be frank, I just don't quite see how our negotiating the price with the seller and the bank did fifty million dollars of damage to the State of New York. I'm really struggling to make the connection."

At publishing time, Letitia James had put up billboards across New York with the faces of the Cross family and how much they owed in fines. ;) The Bee has that way...
 
For Listing Their House For $499,000 When It Ultimately Sold For $485,000!!!!!!
65da1bd16203265da1bd162033.jpg

NEW YORK — Local couple Marty and Shelly Cross have been officially charged with fraud after listing their home for $499,000 when it ultimately sold for slightly less.

"The Cross family knowingly and willfully tried to get a good deal when they sold their home," explained Attorney General Letitia James. "The State of New York hereby assesses the Cross family a fine of $50 million for their egregious actions. If they cannot pay by tomorrow, we will begin kidnapping their children to hold as ransom."

According to sources, the bank had performed an appraisal and actually approved a loan for the buyer at $499,000, though ultimately after negotiations the selling price was slightly less. "Yes, the bank agreed to the price set by the Cross family," admitted James. "That doesn't mean Mr. and Mrs. Cross did not commit fraud! Banks, as we all know, are poor and helpless and at the mercy of whatever amount of money people ask for. The feeble, powerless bank is the victim here, having been duped by the Cross family - and they will pay!"

The Cross family were reportedly caught completely off guard by the charges, believing they had submitted a reasonable asking price. "All we did was ask for what we wanted! No one had to agree to it. I had no idea asking for the price you wanted for your home was illegal," said Shelly. "I have to be frank, I just don't quite see how our negotiating the price with the seller and the bank did fifty million dollars of damage to the State of New York. I'm really struggling to make the connection."

At publishing time, Letitia James had put up billboards across New York with the faces of the Cross family and how much they owed in fines. ;) The Bee has that way...
Easy now or you'll get Mr @HoosierfanJM stating:

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IIRC The NYT referred to stories as “misinformation”
OMG I had no idea. Did they say anything about the similarity or just skip that? ;) I had no idea they had to explain to "many of their readers" that the Bee had some misinformation in the text, but not in the satire directed. And people refer to the NYT as "the paper"... :(
 
IIRC The NYT referred to stories as “misinformation”
election around the corner and a little diddy for any interested-

Decisions in the two cases are expected by June 2024 as this year’s presidential and congressional election seasons heat up.

Competing First Amendment Rights​

Observers and activists on the left and right are closely watching the cases.
At stake is the right of individual Americans to freely express themselves online and the right of social media platforms to make editorial decisions about the content they host. Both rights are protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Republicans and conservatives were outraged when platforms acted in concert to ban President Donald Trump in January 2021, blocked a potentially election-altering New York Post article about Hunter Biden’s laptop in 2020, and silenced dissenting opinions about the origins of the COVID-19 virus, the treatments for the disease it causes, and the vaccines. They say that social media platforms have become the new town square and that users’ speech therefore enjoys constitutional protection.

Democrats and liberals, on the other hand, claim that the platforms don’t do enough to weed out so-called hate speech and alleged misinformation, which they consider to be pressing social problems.

The challenge to the Florida statute is Moody v. NetChoice LLC; the challenge to the Texas law is NetChoice LLC v. Paxton. On Feb. 26, the justices heard nearly four hours of oral arguments.

NetChoice, a coalition of trade associations representing social media companies and e-commerce businesses, challenged a Florida law that makes it a violation for a social media platform to deplatform a political candidate, punishable by a $250,000 per day fine.
The law also establishes restrictions on deplatforming other users and requires consistent application of moderation rules.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit halted part of the law and Florida appealed to the Supreme Court.

When signing the law in 2021, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, said that it ensures that Floridians “are guaranteed protection against the Silicon Valley elites.”

“If Big Tech censors enforce rules inconsistently, to discriminate in favor of the dominant Silicon Valley ideology, they will now be held accountable,” he said at the time.

President Donald Trump filed a brief with the Supreme Court in October 2022 as a private citizen in support of Florida.

“Recent experience has fostered a widespread and growing concern that behemoth social media platforms are using their power to suppress political opposition,” his brief reads.


Ohio, Arizona, Missouri, Texas, and 12 other states argued in a court brief that the internet is the modern-day public square and that social media platforms engaging in censorship “undermine the free exchange of ideas that free speech protections exist to facilitate.”

The 11th Circuit struck down part of the Florida statute, finding that “with minor exceptions, the government can’t tell a private person or entity what to say or how to say it.”

Even the “biggest” platforms are “private actors whose rights the First Amendment protects ... [and] their so-called content-moderation decisions constitute protected exercises of editorial judgment.”

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit took the opposite tack, finding a Texas anti-deplatforming law constitutional and rejecting the “idea that corporations have a freewheeling First Amendment right to censor what people say.”


Both state laws require platforms to explain their content moderation decisions, a mandate the platforms consider to be overly burdensome.

Oral Arguments​

Florida Solicitor General Henry Whitaker told the justices during oral arguments that not upholding his state’s law would hurt the ability of online users to discuss issues of public importance.
“Internet platforms today control the way millions of Americans communicate with each other and with the world. The platforms achieved that success by marketing themselves as neutral forums for free speech. Now that they host the communications of billions of users, they sing a very different tune,” he said, arguing that they have a broad First Amendment right “to censor anything they host on their sites, even when doing so contradicts their own representations to consumers.”

“But the design of the First Amendment is to prevent the suppression of speech, not to enable it. That is why the telephone company and the delivery service have no First Amendment right to use their services as a choke point to silence those they disfavor.

“The platforms do not have a First Amendment right to apply their censorship policies in an inconsistent manner and to censor and deplatform certain users.”

Justice Brett Kavanaugh said Mr. Whitaker left out how the First Amendment applies only to government action.

“You left out what I understand to be three key words ... ‘By the government,’” the justice said.

NetChoice attorney Paul Clement said Florida’s law is flatly unconstitutional.

“[The state’s] effort to level the playing field and to fight the perceived bias of big tech violates the First Amendment several times over. It interferes with editorial discretion. It compels speech. It discriminates on the basis of content, speaker, and ... viewpoint,” Mr. Clement said.

“And it does all this in the name of promoting free speech but loses sight of the first principle of the First Amendment, which is it only applies to state action.”

Weighing in on behalf of the Biden administration, U.S. Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar said the social media platforms may be regulated by governments, but that they “have to stay within the bounds of the First Amendment.”

“And these state laws which restrict the speech of the platforms to enhance the relative voice of certain users don’t withstand constitutional scrutiny,” she said.

Content Moderation as ‘Censorship?’​

Justice Samuel Alito suggested that content moderation is simply a convenient “euphemism” for “censorship.”
He pushed back against Mr. Clement’s contention that the Texas law’s transparency mandates were too onerous for the platforms, saying social media platforms outside the United States have managed to comply with such rules.

Justice Thomas asked Mr. Clement if platform moderation is considered speech when an algorithm is taking action on a post.

Mr. Clement replied in the negative, saying algorithms are designed by people.

But what happens when there is a “deep learning algorithm” that teaches itself, Justice Thomas replied.

Justice Barrett questioned whether the platforms’ moderation policies could be compared to the editorial discretion exercised by newspapers.

She offered a hypothetical example in which TikTok was using an algorithm that favored pro-Palestinian posts over pro-Israel posts.

“If you have an algorithm do it, is it not speech?” the justice asked.

Justice Elena Kagan said platforms allow most posts but still draw the line at some kind of misinformation, bullying, or so-called hate speech.

“Why isn’t that a classic First Amendment violation?” Justice Kagan said.


Justices Alito and Sonia Sotomayor said they were leaning toward vacating the injunction against the Florida law and sending the case back to the 11th Circuit.

Justice Sotomayor noted that she may vote to affirm the injunction while also remanding the case to the circuit court.

She also suggested that the Florida statute was too broadly written and could cover online marketplaces such as Etsy.

“This is so, so broad. It’s covering almost everything,” the justice said. “The one thing I know about the internet is that its variety is infinite.”

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson questioned why the prohibition in the Florida statute against deplatforming political candidates didn’t qualify as “enforcing anti-discrimination principles?”

Mr. Clement replied that “it doesn’t take much to register in Florida.” The law allows minor candidates to “post anything they want” because they know they can “cause us to fundamentally change our editorial policies.”

Texas Solicitor General Aaron Nielson said the social media platforms cannot be left to their own devices because they favor some speech over other speech.

“This is not the first time that new technology has been used to stifle speech. Telegraphs also discriminated based on viewpoint, prompting ... a national scandal,” he said.

“Yet, under the platforms’ theory, Western Union was just making editorial choices not to transmit pro-union views. Today, millions of Americans don’t visit friends or family or even go to work ... [in] person. Everybody is online. The modern public square.

“Yet, if platforms that passively host the speech of billions of people are themselves the speakers and can discriminate, there will be no public square to speak of.”
 
OMG I had no idea. Did they say anything about the similarity or just skip that? ;) I had no idea they had to explain to "many of their readers" that the Bee had some misinformation in the text, but not in the satire directed. And people refer to the NYT as "the paper"... :(
It’s as bad as when some foreign news groups picked up onion stories and referenced them in news programming.
 
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