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You don't fire a coach after making the NCAA tournament LOL

CBI (early loss)
No tourney
First round loss
First round loss

Either B1G is getting a lot worse or Fainter can't coach in the tourney!

7/9 NCAA Tournament's Painter has coached in Purdue we haven't lost in the first round.
 
And I don't think anyone was complaining about Purdue's season 2 days ago. We went from everyone is happy to suddenly it's unacceptable? One game doesn't change that much other than overreactions.

I posted elsewhere - the NCAA Tournament is a cruel thing. How many schools have their season end in this tournament and the fans are just happy and excited? Very few. 80% or so I'd say end in disappointment.

It sucks, but at the end of the day, it's one game. As I said before too, it'd be one thing if there was some actual trend going on - like we never beat ranked teams in general - or we lose to bad teams routinely - or we could never win on the road - etc. There's absolutely flaws from this team. Every team has flaws. It's why there are upsets in this tournament year after year.

But at the end of the day, we have a lot of young, promising guys on this team. They had a great overall year this year and I look forward to them next year. And I certainly do not see how firing a coach after a 26 win season will result in positive things (and bless your heart for thinking Purdue is going to hire a Tom Izzo).

We went from a couple of disappointing games to finishing out the season nicely. We thought we were done with those head scratchers like UoI and Iowa, but nope we finish with what made of a 5 seed Painter not being able to coach up his player and lead them to success!
 
7/9 NCAA Tournament's Painter has coached in Purdue we haven't lost in the first round.

woopy!

The last 2 he has chocked in the first round.

Before that we have what a bunch of close losses. He can't get over the hump and it appears he has only gotten worse if you look at the recent data! Please show me the coach after 11 years at a school just magically figured out how to win a close game and get past the S16!
 
So you don't think we won any important games in the past 2 years?

2016 wins I would classify as important games:
@ Pitt
#8 MSU
#10 Maryland

2015 wins I would classify as important games:
#22 IU
@ IU

Purdue has not won an away game against a top 25 teams since they beat #7 Wisconsin in 2012-2013.

Overall in Painter's tenure Purdue is 27 - 65 in games against ranked opponents. That is a 29% winning percentage. I wouldn't classify that as being able to win important games.
 
Purdue where we made gene keady a legend for above average! Do you think Purdue would have fired Bruce like Illinois did? I don't we hang onto our Tourney coaches, even if we never see improvements! A tourney appearance is a good thing at purdue who cares if we win a game! /s

I'd be careful about that, banshee90. The goal is to make the program better, not just put coaches on the chopping block. Illinois fired a decent coach in Bruce Weber (a coach probably comparable to Painter), but...

John Groce is 67-61 (29-43) in four years at Illinois. He's never finished above 7th in the B1G and has made the NCAA tournament only once.

I remember the uproar over Weber at Illinois. I remember Illinois fans screaming "we can do better." I also seem to recall at least one high profile coach turning the Illini down (can't remember who -- maybe Shaka Smart?). And I remember the Illinois athletic department scrambling to get Groce.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the coach chopping block.
 
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I'd be careful about that, banshee90. The goal is to make the program better, not just put coaches on the chopping block. Illinois fired a decent coach in Bruce Weber (a coach probably comparable to Painter), but...

John Groce is 67-61 (29-43) in four years at Illinois. He's never finished above 7th in the B1G and has made the NCAA tournament only once.

I remember the uproar over Weber at Illinois. I remember Illinois fans screaming "we can do better." I also seem to recall at least one high profile coach turning the Illini down (can't remember who -- maybe Shaka Smart?). And I remember the Illinois athletic department scrambling to get Groce.

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the coach chopping block.
Sure and what has Bruce done for KSU? Keeping them respectable. That type of coach is a good fit for a KSU a team that just wants to compete. He was never going to make UoI win like they wanted. Purdue wants to be elite, we can't do that with just a average to good coach and a poor recruiter!
 
Ya, I get what you're saying about Weber. But, my point isn't really about Weber.

Four years ago, Illinois fans and athletic administrators thought they could only make the jump to elite status by dumping a respectable coach for a great one. That back-fired in a big way. There's no guarantee it would work out for Purdue.

I'm not really trying to defend Painter here. He has his limitations. His recruiting has been hit-and-miss. His game plans have sometimes been wooden. I'm just acknowledging that the Illinois case illustrates the risks involved with cutting him loose.
 
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For anybody to back Painter now is a complete idiot. Let me repeat myself a utter complete idiot. How can we as fans put up with this. This was a very talented team. Painter says he subs with his guy instinct and his instict is hogwash. He blindly lets his seniors play meaningful minutes where the whole world kmows its wrong. His pride won't let his team's play zone no matter what his players are capable of. His timeout management is horible. I could go on and on. For people that are happy with him this school will never sniff any tournment success. But I should not be surprised. This is a basketball school that has never won more than 29 games. For crying out loud little rock just won their 30th! For people tell us to settle down is bs! Are u people blind????
 
Have you watched Hammons over 4 years? It's no secret that he is as good as he wants to be. It's been a frustrating thing for 4 years. Hammons was not dialed in and a coach can only do so much. There's things to point at Painter at if that's the route you want to go, but AJ is his own beast. I certainly do not believe that Painter was telling them "don't let AJ get the ball!"...
Since we don't really want to watch other tourney games now, I really, really suggest each one of us goes to yesterday's tape and watches it ONLY WATCHING AJ at all times. I think it is worth your time, if you don't, fine, but there are a lot of answers to a lot of the questions/comments that will be provided if you only watch AJ at all times.
 
Ya, I get what you're saying about Weber. But, my point isn't really about Weber.

Four years ago, Illinois fans and athletic administrators thought they could only make the jump to elite status by dumping a respectable coach for a great one. That back-fired in a big way. There's no guarantee it would work out for Purdue.

I'm not really trying to defend Painter here. He has his limitations. His recruiting has been hit-and-miss. His game plans have sometimes been wooden. I'm just acknowledging that the Illinois case illustrates the risks involved with cutting him loose.
Your point is we are at an impasse, we can accept mediocrity and just expect early round losses and just RAH RAH WE ARE DOING IT THE PURDUE WAY (poorly)! or we stop accepting mediocre to average.

It doesn't come without risk, look at hazel yup we put up a prayer failed on our first 2 coaches and were left wanting! I think we need to call up Martin's agent see how he feels about coming home for 2.4mil/year. He is the recruiting mind behind the baby boilers. Recruiting is 75% of the college game these days! Painter has a good eye for talent, so good MSU has been using him as their scouting service for years now.
 
As I said before too, it'd be one thing if there was some actual trend going on - like we never beat ranked teams in general - or we lose to bad teams routinely - or we could never win on the road - etc. There's absolutely flaws from this team. Every team has flaws. It's why there are upsets in this tournament year after year.

But at the end of the day, we have a lot of young, promising guys on this team. They had a great overall year this year and I look forward to them next year. And I certainly do not see how firing a coach after a 26 win season will result in positive things (and bless your heart for thinking Purdue is going to hire a Tom Izzo).
If there is a trend, it is that we are not getting super athletes. Maybe they don't want to play our style, maybe CMP isn't pushing for one, I'm not sure. For years, we were weak at getting a big man, then we got several. Many complained that we didn't have an outside shooter, and we got the guy that won the national 3-poiint shooting contest. We have gotten some athletes, and I'm sure many will point out the ones we have had, but I challenge you to define us as an athletic team. And I challenge anyone to dispute that today's basketball is not your Dad's basketball ... finesses and skill is gone ... athleticism and playground style is what is winning and is what the rules are now allowing.
 
I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity. The season ended with a kick in the stomach to be sure, but 26-9 and a top-15 national ranking isn't mediocrity.

I'm just trying to discuss the situation without emotional hyperbole. When you call for a coach to be fired, you can draw any conclusion you want about what will happen next. Maybe Purdue would land a rising star; maybe we'd land the next John Groce and then be stuck with him for 4 or 5 years. Plus, as others have pointed out, there'll very likely be a Hazell buyout in the next year or two, so that has to be factored in as well.

FWIW: I'm intrigued by Cuonzo Martin as well, though I think we should first see what's what at Cal.
 
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I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity. The season ended with a kick in the stomach to be sure, but 26-9 and a top-15 national ranking isn't mediocrity.

I'm just trying to discuss the situation without emotional hyperbole. When you call for a coach to be fired, you can draw any conclusion you want about what will happen next. Maybe Purdue would land a rising star; maybe we'd land the next John Groce and then be stuck with him for 4 or 5 years. Plus, as others have pointed out, there'll very likely be a Hazell buyout in the next year or two, so that has to be factored in as well.

FWIW: I'm intrigued by Cuonzo Martin as well, though I think we should first see what's what at Cal.

I am looking at his 11 years of work, either he ends with a kick in the stomach choke job or its a bad season! I don't think painter is terrible just S16 and maybe an E8 is his peak! Thats nothing to be ashamed about as a coach, the issue is look at about every school around Purdue. OSU F4, MSU F4, Butler F4, Kentuky F4, wisc F4, Louisville F4, Illinois F4. These teams have the same climate as Purdue, most of these teams are about as historically relevant as purdue. Yet all of them have had way more success the past 10 years. Why are we losing the recruiting battles? Why are we losing in the tourney, Why can't we beat anybody in close games! Its laughable, Recruiting is 75% of the game these days and painter is an average recruiter!
 
I don't think I'm accepting mediocrity. The season ended with a kick in the stomach to be sure, but 26-9 and a top-15 national ranking isn't mediocrity.

I'm just trying to discuss the situation without emotional hyperbole. When you call for a coach to be fired, you can draw any conclusion you want about what will happen next. Maybe Purdue would land a rising star; maybe we'd land the next John Groce and then be stuck with him for 4 or 5 years. Plus, as others have pointed out, there'll very likely be a Hazell buyout in the next year or two, so that has to be factored in as well.

FWIW: I'm intrigued by Cuonzo Martin as well, though I think we should first see what's what at Cal.

I looked up Bruce Weber when his name was mentioned and the similarities to he and Painter are interesting.
Bruce Weber HC Illinois from 2003 - 2012
Overall: 210-101 (89-65)
2 Big Ten Regular Season Titles
1 BTT Title
1 National Runner-Up
37-2 single season record

Early success but began to falter later in his tenure which led to his firing. His final 5 years at Illinois:
Missed the NCAA Tourney twice
98 - 73
2 NCAA Appearances (1 Sweet 16 & 1 First Round loss)
1 NIT Appearance

Painter's last 5 years at Purdue:
100 - 70
Missed NCAA Tourney twice
3 NCAA Appearances (1 Second Round loss, 2 First Round losses)
1 CBI Appearance (First Round loss)
 
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Trying to cough up something he choked on ......again?
 
I looked up Bruce Weber when his name was mentioned and the similarities to he and Painter are interesting.
Bruce Weber HC Illinois from 2003 - 2012
Overall: 210-101 (89-65)
2 Big Ten Regular Season Titles
1 BTT Title
1 National Runner-Up
37-2 single season record

Early success but began to falter later in his tenure which led to his firing. His final 5 years at Illinois:
Missed the NCAA Tourney twice
98 - 73
2 NCAA Appearances (1 Sweet 16 & 1 First Round loss)
1 NIT Appearance

Painter's last 5 years at Purdue:
100 - 70
Missed NCAA Tourney twice
3 NCAA Appearances (1 Second Round loss, 2 First Round losses)
1 CBI Appearance (First Round loss)

This is poor logic for firing Painter. How has Illinois done since they canned Weber?
 
I looked up Bruce Weber when his name was mentioned and the similarities to he and Painter are interesting.
Bruce Weber HC Illinois from 2003 - 2012
Overall: 210-101 (89-65)
2 Big Ten Regular Season Titles
1 BTT Title
1 National Runner-Up
37-2 single season record

Early success but began to falter later in his tenure which led to his firing. His final 5 years at Illinois:
Missed the NCAA Tourney twice
98 - 73
2 NCAA Appearances (1 Sweet 16 & 1 First Round loss)
1 NIT Appearance

Painter's last 5 years at Purdue:
100 - 70
Missed NCAA Tourney twice
3 NCAA Appearances (1 Second Round loss, 2 First Round losses)
1 CBI Appearance (First Round loss)

I see where you're coming from, JohnnyDoeBoiler, but I don't think your numbers tell the whole story.

Weber's win total in his last four years at Illinois decreased each year:
24 (2009)
21 (2010)
20 (2011)
17 (2012)

Painter's win totals for the past four seasons are as follows:
16 (2013)
15 (2014)
21 (2015)
26 (2016)
 
Our last 4 years:

7
12
3
3

That's not downward...
OK?
I said ten years (or his tenure).
We have work to do to get back to both the conf and NCAA tourney results that painter produced in the first half of his purdue career.
Since then, we have risen back up in conf some (not quite 2nd-1st yet) but tourney results are lagging more unfortunately.
 
2016 wins I would classify as important games:
@ Pitt
#8 MSU
#10 Maryland

2015 wins I would classify as important games:
#22 IU
@ IU

Purdue has not won an away game against a top 25 teams since they beat #7 Wisconsin in 2012-2013.

Overall in Painter's tenure Purdue is 27 - 65 in games against ranked opponents. That is a 29% winning percentage. I wouldn't classify that as being able to win important games.

That's a great stat, but is rather meaningless and also not really giving much context (what's a good generic all-time win percentage?).

Just because you play a ranked opponent, doesn't mean you're remotely expected to win the game. What's Painter's record when playing a team ranked below them? What's Painter's record as a ranked team vs. a non-ranked team? What's Painter's record against teams similarly ranked to them? What's Painter's record when ranked vs. other ranked teams?

If you're ranked #25 and play the #1 team, you're not really expected to win. You'll win those games every now and then, but not at a rate of 50%.

Quite frankly, the fact that we win roughly 1/3 games against a ranked opponent, when including a couple bad seasons, considering how strong the Big Ten has been over those years. What are other coaches records? Beilein, Crean, etc.?
 
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