xavier simpson

[atkinsbj]

From this article in the Indy Star it sounds like Simpson will be tough to pull away from Xavier U. With the recent transfers and decommitment from the pg position it looks like it's going be an uphill battle to fill our greatest need. I wonder what plan C is?

http://www.indystar.com/story/recru...as-recent-offers-from-purdue-butler/26851889/

 

[purduepete87]

I think Plan C is the kid from N Ky. I believe he has 3 years of eligibility left. He'd have to sit out a year, so we still need a 5th year guy.

 

[Chuchumutha]

Plan C is Taylor Persons. Plan D?

 

[Cleanface]

I thought Johnny Hill was Plan C??

 

[Boiler Buck]

Plan C is Taylor Persons. Plan D?

I was wondering about the X Simpson recruitment when we heard about the Taylor Person's visit......sometimes just due diligence - other times staff is moving on because they know their other plan (in this case Simpson) is not working out well....we will see....

 

[Bigohh]

From this article in the Indy Star it sounds like Simpson will be tough to pull away from Xavier U. With the recent transfers and decommitment from the pg position it looks like it's going be an uphill battle to fill our greatest need. I wonder what plan C is?

http://www.indystar.com/story/recru...as-recent-offers-from-purdue-butler/26851889/

pretty sad state of affairs when we can't beat out Xavier for a player we want. This would be recent loss #2 to them.

 

[lbodel]

pretty sad state of affairs when we can't beat out Xavier for a player we want. This would be recent loss #2 to them.

Dramatic much? My God.

Illinois and Iowa are both after him too. Should they be feeling blue? The kid is from Ohio.

Secondly, Xavier is a good program with a good coach playing in a basketball-centric conference. Their last recruiting classes have featured a bunch of kids with offers from major conference teams. Trevon Bluiett chose Xavier over offers from IU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Arizona, Georgetown, Florida, etc. London chose over Texas, VCU, Miami, Tennessee, etc. I can go on and on. You cannot possibly treat them as a second class program.

If you're going to stressed out about every kid that doesn't choose Purdue, you're going to put a lot more angst in your life than necessary.

 

[PU pit bull]

Let's hope he thinks like his dad........

http://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2015/05/02/purdue-mens-basketball-recruiting-jarron-cumberland-xavier-simspon-king-james-shooting-stars/26793975/?hootPostID=['4c8df7f0544adffc2dd726b24b8003f3']

 

[jadeezra]

Its not its just him, its everybody anymore!!!!

 

[lbodel]

Its not its just him, its everybody anymore!!!!

We will never have a commitment ever again.

 

[cprh9u]

We will never have a commitment ever again.

As long as they have no offers like Cline and Weatherford, we should be good. If they have other high major offers, our chances are greatly diminished.

 

[*4purdue*]

Isn't XU coach a top candidate for the Florida job? Pretty sure he is. Also, I like our chances when I hear we are not the favorite. I remember hearing we were the favorite for Dawson, Randall and Harris. Usually when you hear a favorite it goes the other way.

 

[lbodel]

As long as they have no offers like Cline and Weatherford, we should be good. If they have other high major offers, our chances are greatly diminished.

So nobody recruited our freshmen who played last year? Vince Edwards didn't have offers from Michigan, West Virginia, Vanderbilt and XAVIER? He didn't?

Isaac Haas didn't have offers from Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas A&M, UCLA, Virginia and Wake Forest? He didn't?

Poor little Dakota Mathias only had offers from Boston College and West Virginia. He's pretty crappy eh?

Jacquil Taylor had offers from Maryland and Providence. Blah.

It must suck to constantly complain and literally make the biggest deals out of nothing. I've never seen people complain so much in my life.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

My prediction is we get Simpson, Towns(OSU and Michigan backed off of him), Cumberland, and Benson. This would be a huge class that would have FF potential.

 

[pharoutengineer]

My prediction is we get Simpson, Towns(OSU and Michigan backed off of him), Cumberland, and Benson. This would be a huge class that would have FF potential.

Cumberland is crucial as far as I read things right now. He is that kind of 2 guard that we really haven't had since Moore. The kind of guy that can get points at the rim and with outside shooting. Also a real competitor who plays good D. By several accounts it sounds like Purdue is in the lead. He's a top 75 guy and just had a great showing in Ft. Wayne. New schools will come calling soon. Purdue needs to wrap this one up fast and get this class off to a great start. After that I'd be happy with any combination of Simpson, Towns, Brunk, Benson, Banks, Persons, etc. And I think it will be easier to court those guys with a high quality 2 guard already in the bag.

 

[Schnelk]

Thanks for the link Pit. Was CMP and/or staff at Spiece too? I would think so.

 

[cprh9u]

So nobody recruited our freshmen who played last year? Vince Edwards didn't have offers from Michigan, West Virginia, Vanderbilt and XAVIER? He didn't?

Isaac Haas didn't have offers from Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas A&M, UCLA, Virginia and Wake Forest? He didn't?

Poor little Dakota Mathias only had offers from Boston College and West Virginia. He's pretty crappy eh?

Jacquil Taylor had offers from Maryland and Providence. Blah.

It must suck to constantly complain and literally make the biggest deals out of nothing. I've never seen people complain so much in my life.

Bad recruiting isn't "nothing". Also, I've stated several times that the 2014 class was good (by far our best since 07). However, Haas was commited to WF but WF had a lame duck coach. Yes, we beat mighty WF for him. VE was down to UM and us. Many think UM cooled off (which if true, I'm sure they regret now). I don't think Taylor had an offer from Maryland after his injury, but if he did, that is a good win. Beating BC and WV is something Purdue should do every time.

With those "wins", should we look at the losses? I don't think that is necessary as we are all very aware of them. When CMP has competition from good high major programs, he is batting a very low percentage. We need to continue to find 3 star players like Edwards and Mathias that are good players and land some top 50 type talent (which means occassionally beating MSU types) if we want a chance to compete. CMP has not consistenly achieved that but I hope he can start doing it soon. I think his buyout is still around 10 mil now, so I know he isn't going anywhere soon.

 

[BBG]

With those "wins", should we look at the losses? I don't think that is necessary as we are all very aware of them. When CMP has competition from good high major programs, he is batting a very low percentage.

The same can be said for probably the majority of coaches out there.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Any chance we can set up a trade board where we can send unhappy "fans" to another team in trade for one of their malcontents for a change of pace???

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

Bad recruiting isn't "nothing". Also, I've stated several times that the 2014 class was good (by far our best since 07). However, Haas was commited to WF but WF had a lame duck coach. Yes, we beat mighty WF for him. VE was down to UM and us. Many think UM cooled off (which if true, I'm sure they regret now). I don't think Taylor had an offer from Maryland after his injury, but if he did, that is a good win. Beating BC and WV is something Purdue should do every time.

With those "wins", should we look at the losses? I don't think that is necessary as we are all very aware of them. When CMP has competition from good high major programs, he is batting a very low percentage. We need to continue to find 3 star players like Edwards and Mathias that are good players and land some top 50 type talent (which means occassionally beating MSU types) if we want a chance to compete. CMP has not consistenly achieved that but I hope he can start doing it soon. I think his buyout is still around 10 mil now, so I know he isn't going anywhere soon.

This is what consistently bothers me about posters who complain that we don't win any recruiting battles. If we do win one it's not because we won it it's because the other team cooled on them, and if we don't win one it's because we were out worked and out recruited. Why is it never the other way around. How do you know the other team didn't cool on him because we out recruited them. How do we know that the other team cooled on him at all other than speculation on the internet which could be made up just as easily to try to save face for losing a recruiting battle. Any kid that we get here is a high major recruit period, whether they have the official offers or not they've been in contact and recruited by all the top schools all over the country just like every other kid that eventually gets recruited elsewhere, and the same is true even for recruits that end up being bad or transferring. It's not an epidemic that is solely the problem of Purdue, it's happening all over the country. Each year the transfer lists get bigger. That's why it's now more important to get the right kids for your program than the highest rated kid. And when the highest rated kid is the right kid, it's even better.

 

[BBG]

This is what consistently bothers me about posters who complain that we don't win any recruiting battles. If we do win one it's not because we one it it's because the other team cooled on them, and if we don't win one it's because we were out worked and out recruited. Why is it never the other way around. How do you know the other team didn't cool on him because we out recruited them. How do we know that the other team cooled on him at all other than speculation on the internet which could be made up just as easily to try to save face for losing a recruiting battle. Any kid that we get here is a high major recruit period, whether they have the official offers or not they've been in contact and recruited by all the top schools all over the country just like every other kid that eventually gets recruited elsewhere, and the same is true even for recruits that end up being bad or transferring. It's not an epidemic that is solely the problem of Purdue, it's happening all over the country. Each year the transfer lists get bigger. That's why it's now more important to get the right kids for your program than the highest rated kid. And when the highest rated kid is the right kid, it's even better.

Bravo. Well said.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Dr Bill BA is off the trading block!!!

 

[tjpbg2014]

So nobody recruited our freshmen who played last year? Vince Edwards didn't have offers from Michigan, West Virginia, Vanderbilt and XAVIER? He didn't?

Isaac Haas didn't have offers from Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas A&M, UCLA, Virginia and Wake Forest? He didn't?

Poor little Dakota Mathias only had offers from Boston College and West Virginia. He's pretty crappy eh?

Jacquil Taylor had offers from Maryland and Providence. Blah.

It must suck to constantly complain and literally make the biggest deals out of nothing. I've never seen people complain so much in my life.

Taylor was being recruited by Florida and listed them as his favorites before his injury. Kid will be a star.

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

Taylor was being recruited by Florida and listed them as his favorites before his injury. Kid will be a star.

I can't wait to see what going up against Haas and Hammons does for him.

 

[cprh9u]

This is what consistently bothers me about posters who complain that we don't win any recruiting battles. If we do win one it's not because we won it it's because the other team cooled on them, and if we don't win one it's because we were out worked and out recruited. Why is it never the other way around. How do you know the other team didn't cool on him because we out recruited them. How do we know that the other team cooled on him at all other than speculation on the internet which could be made up just as easily to try to save face for losing a recruiting battle. Any kid that we get here is a high major recruit period, whether they have the official offers or not they've been in contact and recruited by all the top schools all over the country just like every other kid that eventually gets recruited elsewhere, and the same is true even for recruits that end up being bad or transferring. It's not an epidemic that is solely the problem of Purdue, it's happening all over the country. Each year the transfer lists get bigger. That's why it's now more important to get the right kids for your program than the highest rated kid. And when the highest rated kid is the right kid, it's even better.

That was a UM team coming off of a final 4 appearance with all of the confidence in the world. I doubt Beilein was scared of CMP when it comes to landing a recruit. And I was just stating what was being said, to your point, who knows for sure. Point was when big boys come in, we almost always lose. Some schools get it done even without pedigree (LSU or CAL recently for example). We could put together a list of how CMP has competed in recruiting against top 25 schools like MSU, OSU, Wisky, etc. but it would just make more on here mad to see that laid out. He needs to start winning some battles and getting some top talent to go along with solid nucleus guys like Mathias, Edwards and Haas. Until then...

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

That was a UM team coming off of a final 4 appearance with all of the confidence in the world. I doubt Beilein was scared of CMP when it comes to landing a recruit. And I was just stating what was being said, to your point, who knows for sure. Point was when big boys come in, we almost always lose. Some schools get it done even without pedigree (LSU or CAL recently for example). We could put together a list of how CMP has competed in recruiting against top 25 schools like MSU, OSU, Wisky, etc. but it would just make more on here mad to see that laid out. He needs to start winning some battles and getting some top talent to go along with solid nucleus guys like Mathias, Edwards and Haas. Until then...

But that's just it... when BIG BOYS come in we always lose. Well... aren't they the big boys for just that reason... tell me who out there is consistently beating the "big boys" in recruiting that aren't also considered "big boys".

 

[lbodel]

Bad recruiting isn't "nothing". Also, I've stated several times that the 2014 class was good (by far our best since 07). However, Haas was commited to WF but WF had a lame duck coach. Yes, we beat mighty WF for him. VE was down to UM and us. Many think UM cooled off (which if true, I'm sure they regret now). I don't think Taylor had an offer from Maryland after his injury, but if he did, that is a good win. Beating BC and WV is something Purdue should do every time.

With those "wins", should we look at the losses? I don't think that is necessary as we are all very aware of them. When CMP has competition from good high major programs, he is batting a very low percentage. We need to continue to find 3 star players like Edwards and Mathias that are good players and land some top 50 type talent (which means occassionally beating MSU types) if we want a chance to compete. CMP has not consistenly achieved that but I hope he can start doing it soon. I think his buyout is still around 10 mil now, so I know he isn't going anywhere soon.

So there are all of these stipulations for OUR recruits. We were just handed them on a rusty, silver platter. Got it.

But there's zero stipulations/factors for recruits that don't come to Purdue.

Now I think I'm understanding your logic.

 

[lbodel]

Bad recruiting isn't "nothing". Also, I've stated several times that the 2014 class was good (by far our best since 07). However, Haas was commited to WF but WF had a lame duck coach. Yes, we beat mighty WF for him. VE was down to UM and us. Many think UM cooled off (which if true, I'm sure they regret now). I don't think Taylor had an offer from Maryland after his injury, but if he did, that is a good win. Beating BC and WV is something Purdue should do every time.

With those "wins", should we look at the losses? I don't think that is necessary as we are all very aware of them. When CMP has competition from good high major programs, he is batting a very low percentage. We need to continue to find 3 star players like Edwards and Mathias that are good players and land some top 50 type talent (which means occassionally beating MSU types) if we want a chance to compete. CMP has not consistenly achieved that but I hope he can start doing it soon. I think his buyout is still around 10 mil now, so I know he isn't going anywhere soon.

Honestly, you sound like someone who can't look at the big picture on things and looks at everything with tunnel vision. You say we can't get good recruits. Then the good recruits we did get were lucky or because others gave them to us. Then you turn to how many recruits have we lost. Do you realize most coaches LOSE MOST of their recruiting battles? You have this narrative in your head and you are going to find every complaint in the book to keep it that way by nitpicking.

If you've read my posts over years of being on here, I am not some kook-aid drinker Purdue fan. I think there's plenty of people who can vouch for my critical assessments over time. This is how ridiculous you and a few others have become with your incessant complaining. My complaining over the years make me look like the happiest Purdue fan on earth.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Why am I reminded of the Old Gold and Black version of Star Trek's "Alternative - Boilermaker Factor?"



Boiler fights Boiler.......until the end of time in a parallel dimension.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Taylor will be a star at Purdue before it is all over.......

I hope he has a healthy break out year and the Purdue faithful get behind his and this teams hard efforts.

Taylor is my favorite player on the team.

Love his passion, love his effort....true Boilermaker!

 

[Cleanface]

This is what consistently bothers me about posters who complain that we don't win any recruiting battles. If we do win one it's not because we won it it's because the other team cooled on them, and if we don't win one it's because we were out worked and out recruited. Why is it never the other way around. How do you know the other team didn't cool on him because we out recruited them. How do we know that the other team cooled on him at all other than speculation on the internet which could be made up just as easily to try to save face for losing a recruiting battle. Any kid that we get here is a high major recruit period, whether they have the official offers or not they've been in contact and recruited by all the top schools all over the country just like every other kid that eventually gets recruited elsewhere, and the same is true even for recruits that end up being bad or transferring. It's not an epidemic that is solely the problem of Purdue, it's happening all over the country. Each year the transfer lists get bigger. That's why it's now more important to get the right kids for your program than the highest rated kid. And when the highest rated kid is the right kid, it's even better.

FTR - I love everybody here. Group-hug, my Boilermaker brethren...

 

[PU pit bull]

Taylor will be a star at Purdue before it is all over.......

I hope he has a healthy break out year and the Purdue faithful get behind his and this teams hard efforts.

Taylor is my favorite player on the team.

Love his passion, love his effort....true Boilermaker!

Here's one of his tweets..........

Jacquil Taylor‏@JacquilT14 May 2

The clock is ticking as to when i will start playing again and its moving to slow https://instagram.com/p/2NSXzIsaxr/


I am assuming that JT had surgery of some sort awhile back.......no? And he's been getting antsy to play LOL!!!

 

[nagemj02]

Here's one of his tweets..........

Jacquil Taylor‏@JacquilT14 May 2

The clock is ticking as to when i will start playing again and its moving to slow https://instagram.com/p/2NSXzIsaxr/


I am assuming that JT had surgery of some sort awhile back.......no? And he's been getting antsy to play LOL!!!

I'm excited about Taylor's potential. He needs to stay healthy for a prolonged period of time and continue to get tougher and stronger. He seemed assertive in the games he played in this past season. Also, he can probably create matchups problems with his length and being a lefty shooter.

 

[cprh9u]

So there are all of these stipulations for OUR recruits. We were just handed them on a rusty, silver platter. Got it.

But there's zero stipulations/factors for recruits that don't come to Purdue.

Now I think I'm understanding your logic.

Make up whatever crap you want while CMP swings and misses on another top 50 recruit. Painter has beaten out the likes of a WF and BC and a UM squad who backed off VE for a mid-range 4 star and a couple of 3 stars lately. Let's throw him a party. Meanwhile teams like LSU and Cal are landing top 30 players despite less of a history and less being paid/funded for their coach and recruiting vs. Purdue. CMP will never win big without some top talent and he hasn't landed any since 2007. End of discussion.

 

[purdue4sure]

End of discussion.

I doubt it. You will be back, repeating the same things again and again and again...

 

[lbodel]

Make up whatever crap you want while CMP swings and misses on another top 50 recruit. Painter has beaten out the likes of a WF and BC and a UM squad who backed off VE for a mid-range 4 star and a couple of 3 stars lately. Let's throw him a party. Meanwhile teams like LSU and Cal are landing top 30 players despite less of a history and less being paid/funded for their coach and recruiting vs. Purdue. CMP will never win big without some top talent and he hasn't landed any since 2007. End of discussion.

But again, you put all of these stipulations out there. Haas recommitted from Wake Forest, which you make it sound like it was some easy pick-up for Purdue. The guy had offers from tons of major conference teams. So you think when he de-committed from Wake Forest, nobody wanted him and he chose Purdue cause that was his only decent option?

Vince Edwards had offers from more than just Michigan, but again, you simplify it.

Dakota Mathias had offers from West Virginia, yet you choose to simplify it by bringing up BC instead, a less impressive program.

Basically, you're trying to take every accomplishment, accolade, etc. and downplay it and degrade it as much as you can to make your point.

 

[Heller]

Make up whatever crap you want while CMP swings and misses on another top 50 recruit. Painter has beaten out the likes of a WF and BC and a UM squad who backed off VE for a mid-range 4 star and a couple of 3 stars lately. Let's throw him a party. Meanwhile teams like LSU and Cal are landing top 30 players despite less of a history and less being paid/funded for their coach and recruiting vs. Purdue. CMP will never win big without some top talent and he hasn't landed any since 2007. End of discussion.

My pet goldfish could stay eligible at LSU. Cal is a different story and we have no idea how they will do in the long run. Remember the Miami of Florida football dynasty that died pretty much when the Faculty got tired of trying to keep athletes eligible in what is otherwise a rather rigorous academic curriculum? Not saying it will happen to Zo, but my guess is Cal Berkeley is prouder of it's academic reputation than their athletic. You aren't going to see any North Carolina fake classes to damage their standing as a top tier public school. Then again, Michigan did it and apparently Harbaugh for all his bluster has now bought into the process. I've said for years if you want to change the status, you need to change more than the coach, but rather the entire culture.

 

[BBG]

But again, you put all of these stipulations out there. Haas recommitted from Wake Forest, which you make it sound like it was some easy pick-up for Purdue. The guy had offers from tons of major conference teams. So you think when he de-committed from Wake Forest, nobody wanted him and he chose Purdue cause that was his only decent option?

Vince Edwards had offers from more than just Michigan, but again, you simplify it.

Dakota Mathias had offers from West Virginia, yet you choose to simplify it by bringing up BC instead, a less impressive program.

Basically, you're trying to take every accomplishment, accolade, etc. and downplay it and degrade it as much as you can to make your point.

That is the think about cp, he tends to just pick and choose his data to try and make his point, but like you and many others have exposed, the foundation for his arguments often has many cracks and flaws in it.

He's not a terrible person he wants to win as we all do, he just seems to have it in for Painter for some reason and can't let go of things.

 

[cprh9u]

But again, you put all of these stipulations out there. Haas recommitted from Wake Forest, which you make it sound like it was some easy pick-up for Purdue. The guy had offers from tons of major conference teams. So you think when he de-committed from Wake Forest, nobody wanted him and he chose Purdue cause that was his only decent option?

Vince Edwards had offers from more than just Michigan, but again, you simplify it.

Dakota Mathias had offers from West Virginia, yet you choose to simplify it by bringing up BC instead, a less impressive program.

Basically, you're trying to take every accomplishment, accolade, etc. and downplay it and degrade it as much as you can to make your point.

Ok. CMP will never win big without some top talent and he hasn't landed any since 2007. Keep on offering up all of your very interesting and pointless observations. It's fascinating to read your defense of mediocrity.