Wisconsin/WKU
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Wisky appears to be a dumb team this year. Simple and stupid mistakes are killing them. Going to be lucky to pull this out.
How did they get screwed? It was clearly a charge on the WKU player, even if the ref did screw up.
Geez, Wisconsin with the W. Man! How did we ever lose to WKU? Anyway, need to look forward not back!
The replay showed the Wisky player established complete position on the baseline. I thought it was a great call by the Wisky staff.
Well I was going to bed and I said I bet someone is talking about this shit. Horable. That game was given to Wisconsin I have no doubt.
Honestly think it could have been called either way. Davis seemed to plant himself under the moving defender. Not sure Davis ever came set. Just can't believe that is how the refs allowed that game to end.
Come on. We all know when the visiting team gets jobed. That’s what happened. Happens with us as well but most, including me, say ya that was the right call.
The Wiscy player bent his knees (as part of falling prematurely) into the WKU player first.
But I think people are confused because an offensive player getting run over is confusing. It was called a block from start to finish, even though it's what we usually think of as a charge. The foul was (called) on the defense. You can't call a charge on the defense, even if they supposedly ran over someone who was set.
In other words, the ref may have made a bad call, but he never changed it or signaled against the wrong team.
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That's fine. Would have been more clear that way. I just meant he never intended to call a foul on Wisconsin.
From the angle they showed it was hard to tell, but from the sound and the way it caromed, I think it hit the rim. My understanding of the rule is if the ball does not touch the rim on a missed FT (even if it hits the backboard), it's a violation on the shooter.
I don't understand how the refs blew the call at the end of the game.
It was the most obvious BLARGE call ever!
Refs completely missed this one. Sheesh.
The foul was called on the correct team, so it irrelevant. Cheap trick, but whatever. Why would we want WI to lose this anyway? We play Wisconsin twice... plus they play every other big 10 team. Definitely more beneficial WI won for SOS.
this is the one loss that is going to hurt us.. they have now lost 4 games I think already, one to an awful wisconsin team and another to Ohio..
thankfully Tenn is looking good, but this will be a bad loss in march
thankfully Tenn is looking good, but this will be a bad loss in march
Probably so....but, hopefully the Arizona win more than offsets it. Generally speaking, I think "really good" wins help more than "really bad" losses hurt...but, one never knows from year-to-year. JMO, but with a win over Butler (a big IF), I think Purdue would actually be in slightly better prospective "seed" position than last year going into the new calendar year, despite how the conference has performed so far. This is mainly because of more perceived (at least at this juncture) better wins in the non-conference. It's a whole lot of speculation and a long way to go....if the Boilers keep playing well, though, most things can take care of themselves.
I expect another nerve-wracking fiesta @ the Crossroads on Saturday.
As a basketball official he messed up and had to sell the call. He called a block and his preliminary signal was a block on Wisconsin player but he meant player control foul on the Western Kentucky player but used the wrong signal bcuz he got caught up in the moment which can happen in a close game like that. The charge call is the hardest call to get right but That play could have gone either way which is why he called it a block in the first play bcuz it look like to me as an official he wasn’t completely set and falling at the same time which means it’s a blocking charge and the western Kentucky player if they were in the bonus would have been shooting foul shots instead his partner came over to him to help him out of a bad situation he was in to talk to him to see what call did he actually mean he has so he sold the call as a block charge on Kentucky player and Davidson got to shoot FT. They also missed the last FT as a violation never hit the rim and Kentucky should have gotten ball underneath the basket with 2.0 seconds for their final shot. As on official we will make bad calls that will cause a team the game it come with the territory however
This is just bafflegab.
It could never be a player control foul on WKU, because they did not have possession of the ball. A pushing foul is the correct prelim signal—which the official screwed up.
Further, had Wisky instead been called for an illegal screen, WKU would not have shot free throws, as it would have been a team control foul (Wisky inbounding constitutes team control). WKU would have been awarded possession.
When it comes to 50/50 calls like that, is the responsibility on the "instigating" player to make sure he is set beyond a doubt prior to contact? Between the two players, one was simply running the baseline an the other was looking for contact. Sure, intent doesn't technically matter when it comes to the charge/block call, but since it is often a judgment call anyway, does that play into it? Curious to get an official's take on that. IMO if I am that ref I want to see Davidson CLEARLY set otherwise it is a foul on him for instigating the contact or a play on.
It is a judgment call and he called it a block on Davidson which was to me what he saw why the WK coach went nuts on the sideline bcuz he changed the call to charge on WK player why they got to shoot the FT instead of his player. When you give your preliminary signal most coach no what they mean and his signal and he sold it hard was a block on Davidson and WK player should have been shooting FT but again I truly believe he got caught up in the moment on a bang bang play on natl TV with game on the line and called it quickly instead of thinking for that second to get this call right and called what he saw was a block instead of charge call. It happens to all of us who officiate this wonderful game
Thanks. I guess what I really want to know is do you as an official give the benefit of the doubt in a 50/50 situation to the player that is not intentionally creating the contact when the other player obviously is? Personally, I'd rather see a play on in that situation since there was no advantage gained. Either way hard to see that call go against the guy guarding the inbounds in that situation.
Any half way intelligent official is going to let it play on unless there is some kind a malice by either player, like throwing a forearm or elbow. Years ago in my officiating days, I had a couple of middle school coaches try to pull the same crap play, and I just let it play on. In one case I called a 5 second call because the player in bounding the ball just stopped trying. When questioned by the coach whose team was on offense, I told him that the defender never gained any advantage by the contact and in fact was disadvantaged, but since the offensive player was set, I didn't feel right calling a foul on him either.
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It is a bad loss, but if Purdue wins the games it’s supposed to from here on out, a single loss is not that big a deal in my opinion. It probably costs Purdue a seed line, but most teams have at least one loss like that already.
Right now, Purdue is in terrific position heading into the game with Butler. If Purdue takes care of business against Butler and the other non-conference games, Purdue will be heading back into conference play with a top 12 or maybe even top 8 resume.
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