Which player will have a " surprise good impact" a lot to choose from.

[SCBoiler1]

I don't know. It would be a big leap for Waddell.

2022/2023 Big Ten Stats: 0 points 2 rebounds and 2 assists......Those aren't averages....Those are totals.

I'm not sure why folks have soured on Colvin. Made USA National team that Catchings didn't and is 60th ranked recruit by 247. I'd think he'd be a lock for the rotation and maybe even start given what we have at the 2 and 3.

 

[tjreese]

I know you're not thinking it happens. But I still have to say that is the first time I have seen anyone even mention Colvin and Redshirt in the same sentence. No way that is happening. He brings the one thing that this team so badly lacks (athleticism). If he's not starting or at the very least, playing major minutes, we have a story.

Matt "may" limit his minutes a bit until his D improves unless it is okay by the start of the season and although I think he is a 3 mostly, I think he can play some 2 which reduces a bit of the log jam at the 3 to spread the minutes.

 

[tjreese]

I don't know. It would be a big leap for Waddell.

2022/2023 Big Ten Stats: 0 points 2 rebounds and 2 assists......Those aren't averages....Those are totals.

I'm not sure why folks have soured on Colvin. Made USA National team that Catchings didn't and is 60th ranked recruit by 247. I'd think he'd be a lock for the rotation and maybe even start given what we have at the 2 and 3.

With your stats, how big of a leap would it be to improve those numbers a lot?

 

[northside100]

I know you're not thinking it happens. But I still have to say that is the first time I have seen anyone even mention Colvin and Redshirt in the same sentence. No way that is happening. He brings the one thing that this team so badly lacks (athleticism). If he's not starting or at the very least, playing major minutes, we have a story.

Agree that it seems extremely unlikely. He’s going to have to defend and pick up both offensive and defensive concepts and my understanding is he’s not coming from a high school situation that would have been very helpful in preparing him for this.

On the flip side, Brian Neubert on the other site calls him the most talented player MP has ever signed, so there’s that.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Agree that it seems extremely unlikely. He’s going to have to defend and pick up both offensive and defensive concepts and my understanding is he’s not coming from a high school situation that would have been very helpful in preparing him for this.

On the flip side, Brian Neubert on the other site calls him the most talented player MP has ever signed, so there’s that.

So you’re saying Painter might have to sacrifice defense for offense? Weird…

 

[northside100]

So you’re saying Painter might have to sacrifice defense for offense? Weird…

Hopefully with the increased depth it’s more of a Carsen Edwards than a Jaden Ivey situation. Carsen was never a defensive stalwart but getting benched for Cline as a freshman for his poor team defense definitely made an impression. That didn’t happen with Jaden and IMO it showed.

If Colvin has to play defense in order to get big minutes it would, IMO, be a very good thing.

 

[northside100]

Matt "may" limit his minutes a bit until his D improves unless it is okay by the start of the season and although I think he is a 3 mostly, I think he can play some 2 which reduces a bit of the log jam at the 3 to spread the minutes.

Agree. I think Matt will let him play through a lot of mistakes early so long as the effort is there and he's listening to coaching. I suspect he'll also be willing and able to sit him at times if he's not seeing the effort or if he continues to make the same mistakes. Hindsight is 20/20 but IMO Jaden would have benefited from being sat more often.

 

[SCBoiler1]

With your stats, how big of a leap would it be to improve those numbers a lot?

It's interesting title to the thread, "Surprise Good Impact". We all have our biases and expectations so in some ways its a trick question. If you believe someone is going to have a good year you can't be surprised. To me that rules out the following guys:

Smith
Edey
Loyer
Gillis
Furst
Colvin
TKR (I believe he'll be effective but can he get minutes)

I believe Morton and Waddell have low ceilings and I don't see how Berg gets minutes.

That leaves Jones or Heide. I haven't seen either play, but I'm hyped by Heide's athleticism and he was fairly highly rated out of high school, so I'm hoping both he and Colvin can be an upgrade at the 3. If not I'll be disappointed.

I guess I'll go with Jones. He has a reputation as a good defender but his offensive numbers were mediocre at a MVC school. Given that he is currently our only option to backup the point he's going to be given an opportunity to play. If he can play that role at a higher level than Jenkins I'll be both happy and surprised.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

I went with Heide, largely because of the word, “surprise”. I’m not sure what to expect from him, but he seems to have all the tools to be an ideal 3. I think we could be looking at a 3 level scorer.

I believe that he is off the radar because he came to Purdue hurt and that led to his redshirt, but it sounds like he is completely healthy now.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Hopefully with the increased depth it’s more of a Carsen Edwards than a Jaden Ivey situation. Carsen was never a defensive stalwart but getting benched for Cline as a freshman for his poor team defense definitely made an impression. That didn’t happen with Jaden and IMO it showed.

If Colvin has to play defense in order to get big minutes it would, IMO, be a very good thing.

I know it is easy for me to sit on my couch and enjoy my coffee and pontificate around “if I was coach” but I know it isn’t as easy.

At the end of the day the math on defense v offense has to make sense. Last year we saw defenses play 4v5 because they knew Morton wasn’t a threat. They did the same thing when we had Nojel. That kills any ability for offensive flow.

 

[tjreese]

It's interesting title to the thread, "Surprise Good Impact". We all have our biases and expectations so in some ways its a trick question. If you believe someone is going to have a good year you can't be surprised. To me that rules out the following guys:

Smith
Edey
Loyer
Gillis
Furst
Colvin
TKR (I believe he'll be effective but can he get minutes)

I believe Morton and Waddell have low ceilings and I don't see how Berg gets minutes.

That leaves Jones or Heide. I haven't seen either play, but I'm hyped by Heide's athleticism and he was fairly highly rated out of high school, so I'm hoping both he and Colvin can be an upgrade at the 3. If not I'll be disappointed.

I guess I'll go with Jones. He has a reputation as a good defender but his offensive numbers were mediocre at a MVC school. Given that he is currently our only option to backup the point he's going to be given an opportunity to play. If he can play that role at a higher level than Jenkins I'll be both happy and surprised.

I understand and can see the accuracy in what you write, but now the word "surprise" comes into play and how "each" may evaluate "surprise". Remembering much that was written about Brian by many...any meaningful minutes would fall under a surprise for many and so again...the personal interpretation of "impact" and "good" as well as "surprise" offer a LOT of interpretations and therein provides even more guesses than usual in the forum.

 

[tjreese]

I know it is easy for me to sit on my couch and enjoy my coffee and pontificate around “if I was coach” but I know it isn’t as easy.

At the end of the day the math on defense v offense has to make sense. Last year we saw defenses play 4v5 because they knew Morton wasn’t a threat. They did the same thing when we had Nojel. That kills any ability for offensive flow.

very true unless the Purdue defender costs the other team due to his D than he costs Purdue due to his O. Unlike football, the game flows quickly and you can't substitute much of the game between offense and defense talents and may have to have one that can do okay in both as you said

 

[proudopete]

I’ll go with Waddell as the surprise on this team. He has good size and I think he is more skilled than he gets credit for.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

This is a nice way to put it. Not questioning the kids worth ethic or desire, but we have a pretty clear picture of what he brings to the table after 3 years. He could very well be that awesome piece off the bench to shut someone down when he doesn't have to worry about fouls if he isn't expected to play 20+ minutes.

You're probably right. I just don't get why some fans are so eager to write Ethan off. Last year was his first year playing more than 15 mpg and he struggled to shoot the ball despite getting great looks all year. The year before he shot over 44% on similar looks. I have no idea whether last year or the year before were the outlier but I hope he can get it fixed.

No memories.

I don't know. It would be a big leap for Waddell.

2022/2023 Big Ten Stats: 0 points 2 rebounds and 2 assists......Those aren't averages....Those are totals.

I'm not sure why folks have soured on Colvin. Made USA National team that Catchings didn't and is 60th ranked recruit by 247. I'd think he'd be a lock for the rotation and maybe even start given what we have at the 2 and 3.

Not picking someone to the BIG surprise doesn't mean anyones soured on Colvin.
We have seen videos of him playing. outstanding physical gifts and a ways to go in other areas. Maybe.
Mainly it's his first year in the system while his competition has time in the system and the weight room.
Hopefully he shows enough to deserve minutes, that would be a very big step considering how deep this team should be. Bring him along slowly I imagine, hope he's a factor come tourney time but maybe not even a concern. Won't be starting I think it's fair to say.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

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[Boiler Buck]

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If true, our 3-4 possibly just got fixed....with Myles & TKR??

Excited for what Jones could bring.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

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[tjreese]

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hard to see what was going on with such a short clip. Braden defended by jones had caleb at the 5 and trey at the 4 and I'm guessing it was Camden defending Trey. Fletch was the other guard with Jones and no idea who he was defending

 

[BoilerDaddy]

hard to see what was going on with such a short clip. Braden defended by jones had caleb at the 5 and trey at the 4 and I'm guessing it was Camden defending Trey. Fletch was the other guard with Jones and no idea who he was defending

I like the idea of Jones guarding Smith every day in practice if he is as good a defender as everyone says. It can only make Smith better and knowing Smith, I bet the competition is intense.

 

[Gemini95]

Ball racks in plain view and no apparent security.........

Too soon

 

[SCBoiler1]

hard to see what was going on with such a short clip. Braden defended by jones had caleb at the 5 and trey at the 4 and I'm guessing it was Camden defending Trey. Fletch was the other guard with Jones and no idea who he was defending

They are wearing their jersey numbers, "44" is Berg playing center being guarded by Edey and running the pick and roll.

 

[SCBoiler1]

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If true, our 3-4 possibly just got fixed....with Myles & TKR??

Excited for what Jones could bring.

I'm not sure that the 4 was ever broken. Between Furst, Gillis and TKR I think we have it covered.

I'm loving what I'm hearing about Colvin's three point shooting. Continues the narrative from team USA. If he and Loyer can knock down threes, the rest will take care of itself.

 

[northside100]

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I'm not sure that the 4 was ever broken. Between Furst, Gillis and TKR I think we have it covered.

I'm loving what I'm hearing about Colvin's three point shooting. Continues the narrative from team USA. If he and Loyer can knock down threes, the rest will take care of itself.

I agree that it wasn't broken but the offensive boost from the position was very inconsistent. It would be nice to get more consistent offensive production from the position this season, particularly when defenses sell out to stop Zach. I'm optimistic that Mason, Trey and Caleb will be improved in that respect this year and suspect that we'll see either Catchings or Heide spend some time as a stretch four next season.

 

[Boiler Buck]

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I'm not sure that the 4 was ever broken. Between Furst, Gillis and TKR I think we have it covered.

I'm loving what I'm hearing about Colvin's three point shooting. Continues the narrative from team USA. If he and Loyer can knock down threes, the rest will take care of itself.

The 3 &/or 4 disappeared at times last year where the scoring went away. Rebounding was most games decent to great though out of the 4.

 

[DrEss]

I am hopeful that our 4’s strength improves to help them when they have the ball around the basket. Jump up and flush it, without getting knocked off the ball or blocked. I know that maybe that is a bit of a sacrifice when your 4’s have the ability to shoot the 3, but I guess my preference is having a 4 being an enforcer, bad a$$ type.

 

[tjreese]

They are wearing their jersey numbers, "44" is Berg playing center being guarded by Edey and running the pick and roll.

I wondered if that was berg or Caleb. Thanks. I don't remember all the numbers. I know Braden is 3 and Brian is 11 like his dad.

 

[tjreese]

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I'm not sure that the 4 was ever broken. Between Furst, Gillis and TKR I think we have it covered.

I'm loving what I'm hearing about Colvin's three point shooting. Continues the narrative from team USA. If he and Loyer can knock down threes, the rest will take care of itself.

may not have been "broken", but was not as good as the 1 & 2 a lot of people were concerned. You can always fix something that isn't quite broken at the time. Trey wasn't good at the 4 for the most part, but very good at the 5. Caleb was good for a few early as far as scoring, but very limited offensively for as much as he had to offer. Mason was the better shooter and improved putting the ball on the court, but he too had some "offensive" inconsistent games.. The 3 was worse and I have to believe it will get fixed.

 

[M51]

hard to see what was going on with such a short clip. Braden defended by jones had caleb at the 5 and trey at the 4 and I'm guessing it was Camden defending Trey. Fletch was the other guard with Jones and no idea who he was defending

You missed the grizzly bear feeding on the dead elk, cobra in lower right and video made using a Chinese spy balloon. Unable to determine if there was Russian collusion!

 

[SaratogaBoiler1]

I know it’s hard to be excited based on last year but if Loyer doesn’t break down late in the year, Colvin can hit the 3 and TKR really improves and gets more playing time there is no reason this is not a Final Four team. I know the past is painful. Add in Gillis as a Senior, an improved Furst and Smith just being the bad ass he is and the sky is the limit. Oh yeah we have the NPOY back - I am beyond a half full guy. This team is ridiculously loaded!

 

[northside100]

may not have been "broken", but was not as good as the 1 & 2 a lot of people were concerned. You can always fix something that isn't quite broken at the time. Trey wasn't good at the 4 for the most part, but very good at the 5. Caleb was good for a few early as far as scoring, but very limited offensively for as much as he had to offer. Mason was the better shooter and improved putting the ball on the court, but he too had some "offensive" inconsistent games.. The 3 was worse and I have to believe it will get fixed.

What's interesting is that all three of the guys at the 4 (Trey, Mason, Caleb) are purported to be good shooters but none consistently executed.

Mason was the closest but he disappeared at times with nine games where he was 0 for 2 from three, two games at 0 for 1 in addition to games where he was 1 for 7, 1 for 5 and 2 for 7. He also had nine games where he didn't take a two point field goal and another ten games where he made one two point field goal or fewer. Hopefully he stays healthy this year and that helps him to be more consistent.

 

[Lee3370]

I picked Edey, no one is gonna see it coming! NPOY candidate... book it ;-)

Honestly for Purdue to be better, Edey needs to score less. We need others to step up. Like said the black whole at the 3 cant continue on offense, and we need our PF's to show more, and need more passing from our backcourt, cant be just Smith.

I think Colvin or MKR for that reason. If MKR can shoot some, he will have a big year, and Colvin might be the slightly undersized but scoring 3 that we need.

As a 95 Grad and a guy who met Wadell on numerous occasions, i would love for it to be Wadell, but i dont think he sees the court enough, I think Colvin is just too talented to keep off the court and Wadell and Colvin will bein competition for minutes.

 

[tjreese]

You missed the grizzly bear feeding on the dead elk, cobra in lower right and video made using a Chinese spy balloon. Unable to determine if there was Russian collusion!

not only that, but I missed the off ball screen execution. I have no idea how the cutter setup his defender and how he came off the screen, nor the screener's angle and the timing of such. BTW those Chinese spy balloons go so slow it makes for a long video...

 

[tjreese]

What's interesting is that all three of the guys at the 4 (Trey, Mason, Caleb) are purported to be good shooters but none consistently executed.

Mason was the closest but he disappeared at times with nine games where he was 0 for 2 from three, two games at 0 for 1 in addition to games where he was 1 for 7, 1 for 5 and 2 for 7. He also had nine games where he didn't take a two point field goal and another ten games where he made one two point field goal or fewer. Hopefully he stays healthy this year and that helps him to be more consistent.

Shooting well would be a big plus for all, and I get playing off of Zach for those open 3s and dives when Zach is doubled by a 4. However, I would like to see "a little growth" in driving the ball. Sometimes there is pressure on the ball and the other team sells out on Zach and the shooting is off...for any reason. Then you hope the players are versatile enough to score in a different manner. Those players are capable of being more versatile IMO

 

[SCBoiler1]

I know it’s hard to be excited based on last year but if Loyer doesn’t break down late in the year, Colvin can hit the 3 and TKR really improves and gets more playing time there is no reason this is not a Final Four team. I know the past is painful. Add in Gillis as a Senior, an improved Furst and Smith just being the bad ass he is and the sky is the limit. Oh yeah we have the NPOY back - I am beyond a half full guy. This team is ridiculously loaded!

Folks are taking this team for granted. We're ranked #3 going into the season. Prohibitive favorites for the B1G Championship and we have the best player in the country coming back.

We just need above average play from guys not named Edey to win it all. We're fine at the 1 and 4 position. Smith is solid and we've got enough options at the 4 tat I think we'll be in good shape. We lost last year primarily because we didn't have answers at the 2 or 3. Its not just my opinion, look at the stats and the substitution patterns near the end of the year. Newman's and Jenkin's minutes were up and Loyer's and Morton's were down. Painter knew it was an issue and was searching for answers.

To me it all comes down to Loyer, Heide, and Colvin, If two of these guys can play like solid B1G starters, I think we've got a real chance.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Folks are taking this team for granted. We're ranked #3 going into the season. Prohibitive favorites for the B1G Championship and we have the best player in the country coming back.

We just need above average play from guys not named Edey to win it all. We're fine at the 1 and 4 position. Smith is solid and we've got enough options at the 4 tat I think we'll be in good shape. We lost last year primarily because we didn't have answers at the 2 or 3. Its not just my opinion, look at the stats and the substitution patterns near the end of the year. Newman's and Jenkin's minutes were up and Loyer's and Morton's were down. Painter knew it was an issue and was searching for answers.

To me it all comes down to Loyer, Heide, and Colvin, If two of these guys can play like solid B1G starters, I think we've got a real chance.

If I have ever seen a case of a freshman hitting “the wall”, it was Loyer last year. I think he comes back strong this year and before he leaves, I think that Loyer will be viewed as one of the best shooters that Painter has had.

I agree that the 3 is key. Heide and Colvin both appear to have the talent, but are unproven.

The 4 is a bit of an unknown as well. The position was pretty good last year, the the potential is there for it to be much better.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

I know it’s hard to be excited based on last year but if Loyer doesn’t break down late in the year, Colvin can hit the 3 and TKR really improves and gets more playing time there is no reason this is not a Final Four team. I know the past is painful. Add in Gillis as a Senior, an improved Furst and Smith just being the bad ass he is and the sky is the limit. Oh yeah we have the NPOY back - I am beyond a half full guy. This team is ridiculously loaded!

WTF?????????

 

[SaratogaBoiler1]

WTF?????????

WTF what? Give up on the team then - or pick a new one

 

[Roeder]

Anybody at the scrimmage today and have any thoughts they'd like to share?

It sounds like TKR and Jones played well.

 

[Smokestack91]

Anybody at the scrimmage today and have any thoughts they'd like to share?

It sounds like TKR and Jones played well.

Those are the two that caught my eye the most. TKR seems to be able to get a good shot anytime he touches the ball, and also hit 2/2 3pt if I remember right. The other player was LewJack. Looks as good as when he left 10+ years ago. Of course Sasha was still money from 3 pt at Mackey.

 

[Roeder]

Those are the two that caught my eye the most. TKR seems to be able to get a good shot anytime he touches the ball, and also hit 2/2 3pt if I remember right. The other player was LewJack. Looks as good as when he left 10+ years ago. Of course Sasha was still money from 3 pt at Mackey.

Can we get a Covid year for LewJack?

If Memphis is going to have a 27 y/o SR it's worth a shot.