YOU are the one ignoring the enormously good season they had.
YOU pick a new team.
Which player will have a " surprise good impact" a lot to choose from.
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YOU pick a new team.
Kind of like the media - you pick and choose what parts to highlight - classic
discounts winning the Big 10 title AND tournament and being ranked #1 for a good chunk,
Talk about ungrateful.
No I’m grateful - great accomplishment and well deserved but everyone on here wants to make a Final Four and all I was saying is we didn’t. This year we definitely can and that was the message of my post
I'm hoping that this year, CMP will go with the hot hand. There is so much talent on this team, that at times, someone is going to be slumping while someone else is hot... The coaching staff needs to see that this year & not be stuck with using the same rotation at the same time in the game, that they always do.
Watched the highlights of Thursday's games on another thread. Pretty much the returning guys looked the same as they did 5 months ago (big surprise). I thought TKR had transformed his game based on what I've been reading but his game resembled a lot what we saw last year. Jones doesn't look like much of an improvement from Jenkins. Hoping its an even exchange. Liked what I saw from Colvin and Heide. I'm not sure it will happen but this is where I see our best opportunity for improvement. Hopefully, Heide/Colvin > Newman/Morton.
This could be both bad and good. Last year's team, when they were playing well would have walked into the FF. So there is nothing wrong with looking like we did last year --> as long as it's mid-season form. We just can't have another drop off like we did in 2023.
I think sometimes the bad loss in the tourney completely wipes away the memories of how good this team was last season.
Let me first say, I’ve been a Purdue fan for almost 30 years, so I'm definitely cautious and pessimistic. With that said, respectfully, I’m not sure I can agree with your opinion based off watching the highlights.
I went and watched the first 5 min and came back to say that TKR’s game looks nowhere near what it was last year. At the 3 min mark he grabs a board and brings it up the floor himself. That never happened last year. He did that at the scrimmage and he’s been doing it during this trip. He also played defense right before that and did not fall all over the player like so many times last year. While, he missed both FTs (I think I saw 0/6 on the day, but that shooting background/gym was terrible) he grabbed the miss, collected himself, dribbled once or twice, and used a little right baby hook to kiss it off the glass. If that had happened last year he would have been either called for a charge or he would have missed it because he was so sped up. He’s also hitting 3s. So, I’m not sure how you can say his game resembles last years, but everyone has a right to their opinion.
Jones, so far is quicker on defense, seems to be better at defense, and seems to be able to have a quicker pull up jumper than DJJ. I think he fits better as a backup to smith than DJJ did. For the other guys, smith seems to be a bit better with his handles and is the same old pest/ball hawk on defense. Waddell has shown some good flashes, Heide and Colvin will get more comfortable and provide the athleticism we desperately needed last year. Loyer from what I have seen (haven’t watched his highlights from yesterday or today) was hitting open shots and getting separation. Hope that continues in season. Furst looks a bit more aggressive, but I’d like to see him get even more. He’s got the bounce and the motor, but it seems like it gets turned off at times.
I do agree that Heide, Colvin and Waddell >> Newman and Morton. The main question will be, Does Painter agree with that? (I think we all hope he does)
Especially when you have the attention span of a house fly. Apparently. (not you)
Waddell has been playing the 3, Colvin at 2. Can’t be 100% sure since the Big Maple isn’t here but, I think TKR at 4 and Furst backing up him and edey. If TKR and Furst in at the same time, I think TKR is 5 and Furst is 4 but they could interchange…oh and sprinkle in berg with 2-5 min a game at the 5 and then TKR or Furst would be the 4.
Are you asking for the answers to the test or what?!?!
Waddell should be playing 2/3. He is bigger and stronger but not strong enough for a 4 in league play for sure.
I don’t care starting lineup day 1 but tourney time. Waddell is starting at the 3 backed up by Colvin, Heidi and mop up minutes for Morton. Sorry to the Morton stans here but we have 3 years of tape and he ain’t him.
I wouldn’t get caught up in the distinction of 2v3. Those roles should be blended and whoever has the hot hand and makes the least mistakes gets the minutes.
I was gonna say…Colvin looked like he may be backing up Loyer but then liked how you said the 2 and 3 spots will blend together. I hope painter lets the less experienced guys get good minutes the first half of the season so they can get some confidence and understand the flow of the game for the second half of the year…which then would ideally mean Morton would be closer to 10-12 min a game…if not less.
I've watched a couple of the games. The opposing team today was so bad. Our walk- ons plus Berg would have beat them.
TKR looked like he was playing nerf basketball against his kid brother. He or Furst could have scored 30.
Waddell doesn't look bad, but Colvin looks really good. 8 for 12 from 3 on the trip and a couple highlight real dunks. Second leading scorer on the trip by a fairly wide margin. I'm starting to see a real possibility that Colvin could be getting big minutes (25+) at the 2 and/or 3. I think Loyer still has an inside track for minutes at the two but right now Colvin may be playing better than anyone at the 2 or 3.
I’m sorry boomer but go get your script checked because Waddell had as many highlight reel dunks as Colvin.
Loyer is still clear for the 2 but this trip should make Painter pause on his 3 stack rank. If Morton is anything higher than scub minutes, I’m on the fire Paint train.
I mean Waddell throws down his alley oops and Myles misses the half court ones that are thrown to him! Btw, I don’t think we would have said a missed half court alley oop by “X player” last year…this team is already showing tons more athleticism than last.
I’m right behind you and agree Morton shouldnt get more than scrub mins (we all know he prob will get more to start)!
I want Colvin to succeed and play tons of mins right away, but probably have to pump the brakes a bit…at least at first. It’ll be interesting to see how he plays off of edey and I am hoping he will be able to hit 3s from kick outs. Also hoping painter plays him, Heide and Waddell the first half of the season at the 3. If that means we lose some games early on, that’s ok with me. Just want them to get as much experience as possible before we get into conf and the tourney!
Colvin had a dunk today that almost seemed to defy the laws of physics. The Heide matched him on the dunk where he landed on his back. I don’t believe that Painter has had two freak athletes like that at the same time since he’s been here. I remember that Keady had Dove and Jennings in the mid 90s, but the difference is that Colvin and Heide can also shoot.
If the team stays healthy I would be shocked if Berg sees a minute outside of mop up time all season. Just not enough minutes to go around.
Furst will play the five when he and Trey play together.
You make an interesting point that hasn’t been raised often, or at least I haven’t seen it. Everyone assumes that Loyer is going to play 25 to 30 minutes. I’m not sure that’s true if he doesn’t shoot the ball much better than he did last year. If he’s not shooting threes at least in the high 30s you may be right and Colvin may take a chunk of his minutes.
This doesn’t seem likely to age well. Morton will play more than scrub minutes and this team seems well posed to have a great year. Can I check back with you in December?
I could be wrong but I hope I’m not.
Happy to eat crow as long it has been smoked.
Waddell had a great game in game 1, no doubt, but the last 2 games he kind of came back down to earth. He averaged 6 points the last two games shot 5 for 12 and 1 of 5 from 3 against pretty bad competition. He has a chance to play this year but he'll be competing against Morton and Heide for minutes, not Colvin.
I change my vote to Waddell as the breakout player....he moves so much better than Heide at the 3...he's had a lot of steals with his length...he's usually the first one out on the break and he's a good finisher with dunks...I now believe he's got nba ability....if we had a starting lineup right now I would put smith, loyer, Waddell, Heide, and Edey out there....great athleticism with shooting around edey....
That is some high praise for Waddell. And it excites me even more for the season!
The athleticism & shooting of Colvin & Heide is fun to watch. Both difference makers who add weapons for this team. Those two also have me jazzed for the season.
I guess I should calm down.....my optimism sure isn't Boiler like. Lol
I really like the shooting of Heide but he's not effective at the 3 because he plays more like a forward than a guard and that 3 spot is a guard in painter's system....him at the 4 would allow him to be quicker than most 4s, he can rebound well, and he's strong enough not to get pushed around....I really think he'll flourish there....Waddell moves like a guard, he's got great length and anticipation, and if you watch he's usually the first one out on the break....now he's not strong enough at the 4 and his rebounding is iffy but he is definitely a great perimeter player....he seems to be shooting better this year...if that continues he needs big minutes at the 3, maybe the 2....Colvin is a great shooter, he's still a little unsure out there....if he gets his defense going, understands the offense, and can let the game come to him he maybe our best 3...but for now he needs to backup Waddell....
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm sure that some here (not you) will lose their mind in the process. If Ethan can get healthy I suspect that he'll get plenty of minutes and if his ability to hit open threes improves he'll be tough to displace. I do hope that MP keeps the bench long so that the younger guys have every opportunity to increase their minutes by March.
I know that my opinion varies from most here but I think that Ethan is an excellent 'glue' guy when he's hitting open shots. When Zach is in this offense is almost unstoppable when the other guys can 1) hit open shots and 2) do the things that don't show up in the box score (good ball movement, feed the post, set screens, etc.).
Clearly articulated point. I have nothing against Morton and know he does the “right” things within the system.
I think keep a deep rotation longer into the season helps us keep guys fresh, creates matchup challenges and provides more options.
Fun to think of what we can do in March if lessons have been learned
Yep Myles can play 2 or 3 and if he goes 2 you can still increase the team athletics with Camden or Brian. Naturally, this assumes and did many others that Ethan hasn't made a similar jump as Brian which could only happen in his skills because he has no more athleticism to give I don't think. Right now I think Brian is ahead of Cam...mostly due to taking shots under control. That could change as we all know. Still, Purdue can be much more athletic at the 2 and 3 "IF" needed...
Sure Morton is a “glue guy” but how often is he hitting the open shot? He is a career 32% 3 pt shooter and shot under 28% last year from 3. He is a career 36% overall and 32% overall shooter. He isn’t a threat on offense and makes it 4 v 5–multiple times last year he didn’t even look at the basket when he caught it. Teams do not respect him at all and if I were the opposing team, I’d be 6 feet off him and dare him to shoot. Then, if he makes 4 in a row, I’d move 2 feet closer and dare him to shoot again. His defense isn’t that outstanding as it’s made out to be. No one he guarded last year was shut down or even slowed down, except maybe Pickett one game.
He more than likely will get more than scrub minutes and unfortunately be closer to 20 since painter can’t seem to quit him. Purdue can win games and hide him throughout the year, but when it comes time and it’s win or go home, he is not someone I want to rely on. I’ll eat crow too, and I hope I do because that more than likely means we are successful. I just think it may be time to let younger guys get more mins and see what we got there.
There's a lot of hyperbole there. Makes zero sense to me that Purdue was ranked in the top five nationally on offense for much of the season if they were 'playing 4 on 5'. Just doesn't track.
Now if you don't think that Purdue will get much production from Loyer or at the four spot and that Braden is at risk of going 2 for 10 with seven turnovers, I agree that Ethan isn't the guy that will provide the offense to cover that up. The 'glue' piece of the equation only works if Zach is getting help from other positions.
There are much better options. Period. Playing Morton over Colvin, Waddell, or even Heide is coaching malfeasance.
I agree with your points but i think there needs to be a distinction of 2v3.
I think playing 3 guards regularly has made us unaware of the missing parts of our offense (and D). A 3 SHOULD be a help up front. Heide grabbed 12? rebounds in the scrimmage. That is a huge deal and possible game changing factor in a real game, coming from a position that usually gets us very little in regard to front line help.
Yes Zack makes SOME of that redundant, but Zack WILL have games where he's sitting more than we'd like. And injuries DO happen to Purdue when we can least afford them. (seemingly)
And he'll be gone next year, so starting to get back to "normal" team needs will be important.
Finally having athletic but BIGGER guys playing versus playing another guard out of position will help this team come tourney time.
I'll be fine if I don't see much 3 guard anymore.
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