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What happens to our program, if Walters does not end up getting let go this year?

Good post. There is no doubt Purdue has invested in facilities. RA, the practice field, training/weight room, and locker rooms have all seen significant upgrades. All this means nothing if you don't invest in the right people to run the program.
The lightening in a bottle approach is successful at best 10% of the time. We had our one with Tiller, who in spite of successes at Wyoming was rather unknown.

It is pretty clear that on-the-job training does not work.

As far as yesterday's game went, I didn't watch. I did receive regular updates from my friends who are PSU fans who were clearly pissed off at the state of Purdue football. You know it is bad when opposing fans want the other coach fired.

If it wasnt for Keady's influence with Painter, just how bad would we have f*ck*d up that hire?
I personally thought it was insulting that psu wore its practice duds during the game.
 
That’s crazy talk. There’s Thieneman, Jenkins, and Heldt who have somewhat high level ability. In the secondary, you have upperclassmen Stevens and Green, both of whom are absolutely horrendous. Then the true frosh Bradford and Grant who may end up fine but they’re not right now. Sillah and Ojata both are zeroes. Yanni and Miller at LB? That’s NAIA stuff. And then you have not one good player on the DL. None. We have at best marginal talent, and they are being coached poorly, so we get our faces kicked in every week.
I said 5-6 and you named 2 of them, Jenkins is out of time. I agree on D Line, I wouldn’t keep any of the current started/rotation but hope to develop some guys for depth instead of starting over. The others I’d keep are Breedlove, Beasley, Grant. They are talented enough to have a good secondary just poorly coached and young. Green would be a question mark, he shows flashes of talent. There’s your 5-6.
 
My biggest complaint towards Purdue is that they have aggressively and lavishly spent money for improvements to sports facilities but don't make corresponding investments in leadership for those teams.

Case in point, Ross Ade Stadium. Since 2002, Purdue has spent ($70M) for a new press box and stadium seating (in the 2000's) and then have just completed a $45.4M investment in the south end zone and other improvements around the stadium. If my figures are correct, Purdue has spent over $115M on Ross Ade alone since 2002.

But when it comes to hiring coaches, Purdue pulls its pockets inside out and states they can only afford young assistant coaches who have no head coach experience, and that on-the-job-training is the only way to go. They spin this with the hopes that they will find the next "lighting in a bottle" head coach.

My advice to the Purdue Athletic Department and the BoT: Cut back on your lavishly spending on sports facilities by 20-30 percent and direct that money toward strategic hires of experienced coaching staffs for all sports.

It is pretty damn stupid to renovate the football stadium into a gilded monstrosity but then cheaply hire inexperienced and unproven coaches. At best, that will only guarantee Purdue finishing in the bottom quarter of a very high-profile league.
agree. I think since we hired Walters the economics have changed enough we now can afford to get better coaches. I do think the facilities will be helpful in recruiting coaches and players.
 
There would have been no Walters hire if our previous carpetbagger coach had stayed.
I hate to break it to you, but Purdue Football is not a destination job for anyone who didn’t play at Purdue.

Schools have coaches leave all the time, it’s literally the AD’s job to replace them.
 
The Brohm hire is what put us into the mess we're in right now. He said he was going to use Purdue as a stepping-stone to U of L and he did.
He got us to the btn championship game. He stayed 6 years. And the teams were fun to watch, especially the offense.

He had a chance to go to U of L after one year and turned it down.

And he drove a 2004 Accord.
 
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There would have been no Walters hire if our previous carpetbagger coach had stayed.
Everyone knew Brohm ultimately wanted to end up back in Louisville with his family from the day he was hired. The fact that the AD didn't have any legitimate coaches on speed dial ready to interview is the real failure that's got us in this mess. Can't fault Brohm for the AD's ineptitude.
 
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He had a chance to go to U of L after one year and turned it down.
He owned a home in Louisville during the entire time he coached at WKU and Purdue. That's where he's living right now. He poached Purdue recruits and Purdue players after he quit. He now recruits against us to this day.
 
It's not one or the other. They're both culpable.
Brohm has no fault whatsoever in this mess. Even if you say he poached players from us or left the cupboard bare, in the portal era, the new head coach should have been a better talent evaluator. He's ride or die, mostly die, with Card even when this season is clearly lost and Card gone next year. Hopefully Walters is gone with him.
 
. Will the BTN get rid of the latter?
Yes, you don’t have to win every year but unless you are capable of bringing in and keeping a tv audience the B1G will have to show you the door. Unfortunately for us we are in the worst situation possible heading into those decisions. There is time to right the ship, but the potential for lost revenue from the coming super conference realignment should be creating action now. $9 million buyout or lose hundreds of millions starting in 2032 with the new tv contracts.
 
Yes, you don’t have to win every year but unless you are capable of bringing in and keeping a tv audience the B1G will have to show you the door. Unfortunately for us we are in the worst situation possible heading into those decisions. There is time to right the ship, but the potential for lost revenue from the coming super conference realignment should be creating action now. $9 million buyout or lose hundreds of millions starting in 2032 with the new tv contracts.
So we have until about 2030 in cfb or we get fired from the btn?

The leader in all-time btn hoops championships would be fired?
 
So we have until about 2030 in cfb or we get fired from the btn?

The leader in all-time btn hoops championships would be fired?
I don’t see us or any other B1G school being “fired”.

I COULD see the SEC and B1G merging, and then creating multiple tiers, with promotion and relegation, English Football style. Schools in the “Premier League” get the biggest shares of the media deal, with schools in lower divisions getting less.
 
So we have until about 2030 in cfb or we get fired from the btn?

The leader in all-time btn hoops championships would be fired?
Be relevant, or at least a worthy opponent for the teams with tv audience or all bets are off. The decoupling of football from other sports is the next step and there are few barriers, so our prestigious experience on the hardwood has no bearing on the future of football super conferences. At the end of the day, greed to maximize returns will result in somewhere between 30-40 teams remaining part of the big $$$ tv contracts (see professional sports). We are in a period of breaking apart traditions, reorganization around tv revenue and yes I think the clock is ticking for Purdue football.
 
I don’t see us or any other B1G school being “fired”.

I COULD see the SEC and B1G merging, and then creating multiple tiers, with promotion and relegation, English Football style. Schools in the “Premier League” get the biggest shares of the media deal, with schools in lower divisions getting less.
I doubt that this happens. First of all, you need consensus, or at least a simple majority. I could see why Ohio St, Michigan, Penn State and USC might agree with it, but why would UCLA and Washington and Nebraska and Iowa and Minny and Mich St and Wisconsin and Illinois and Purdue and Rutgers and Maryland agree to it? They would be voluntarily demoting themselves.

Secondly, all of our heavyweights appear to be happy with the status quo. You never hear a word from Ohio State about unequal revenue sharing. I understand that FSU and Clemson are squealing about it in the ACC, but that’s because the their TV contract is so pitiful.
 
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I doubt that this happens. First of all, you need consensus, or at least a simple majority. I could see why Ohio St, Michigan, Penn State and USC might agree with it, but why would UCLA and Washington and Nebraska and Iowa and Minny and Mich St and Wisconsin and Illinois and Purdue and Rutgers and Maryland agree to it? They would be voluntarily demoting themselves.

Secondly, all of our heavyweights appear to be happy with the status quo. You never hear a word from Ohio State about unequal revenue sharing. I understand that FSU and Clemson are squealing about it in the ACC, but that’s because the their TV contract is so pitiful.
Uh, it won’t come from the schools… obviously….
 
He owned a home in Louisville during the entire time he coached at WKU and Purdue. That's where he's living right now. He poached Purdue recruits and Purdue players after he quit. He now recruits against us to this day.
And staying on the Walters' path makes it easier for him to recruit against us.
 
He owned a home in Louisville during the entire time he coached at WKU and Purdue. That's where he's living right now. He poached Purdue recruits and Purdue players after he quit. He now recruits against us to this day.
Not unusual for wealthy people to own homes in different places. His parents stayed in Louisville, and he seems very loyal to them and family - like many of us are.

Everybody recruits against us, and everybody raids our players. And presumably, we do the same.
 
I’m so confused when I hear people suggest we might get the same coach back next year. How could that even be? Is he not objectively the worst coach in Purdue history by winning %? This season we already double down on him. Does that mean next year it would be tripling down, or quadrupling down since it’s two ply times two?

If he is retained, that will be the first time in my life I have seen any sports team I’ve paid attention to in any league show increased commitment to the worst product they’ve ever produced while it’s sinking in free fall. It’s impossible to imagine any professional sports franchise making such a business decision. It’s also really hard to imagine any power conference football team doing this either, which just speaks to how screwed up the thinking must be if they retain him.
 
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I’m so confused when I hear people suggest we might get the same coach back next year. How could that even be? Is he not objectively the worst coach in Purdue history by winning %? This season we already double down on him. Does that mean next year it would be tripling down, or quadrupling down since it’s two ply times two?

If he is retained, that will be the first time in my life I have seen any sports team I’ve paid attention to in any league show increased commitment to the worst product they’ve ever produced while it’s sinking in free fall. It’s impossible to imagine any professional sports franchise making such a business decision. It’s also really hard to imagine any power conference football team doing this either, which just speaks to how screwed up the thinking must be if they retain him.
Early in the season, @pboiler18 was insisting that Walters was worse than the Haze. I couldn’t go there, maybe because I subconsciously didn’t want to believe that could possibly be the case. But he might be right.
 
I’m so confused when I hear people suggest we might get the same coach back next year. How could that even be? Is he not objectively the worst coach in Purdue history by winning %? This season we already double down on him. Does that mean next year it would be tripling down, or quadrupling down since it’s two ply times two?

If he is retained, that will be the first time in my life I have seen any sports team I’ve paid attention to in any league show increased commitment to the worst product they’ve ever produced while it’s sinking in free fall. It’s impossible to imagine any professional sports franchise making such a business decision. It’s also really hard to imagine any power conference football team doing this either, which just speaks to how screwed up the thinking must be if they retain him.
Cowboys among several.

Florida State this year, if the coach is not fired.
 
Cowboys among several.

Florida State this year, if the coach is not fired.
Cowboys? Are you referring to Mike McCarthy after his first season posting a 6–10 record during the weird COVID year? If so, that’s a much higher winning percentage than our current season, and it wasn’t the low mark in the entire Cowboys franchise history like this season is to us.

Also, Mike Norvell at FSU might be having an equally dreadful season this year, however, last year his FSU team went undefeated during the regular season. Still I see no comparison.
 
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Cowboys? Are you referring to Mike McCarthy after his first season posting a 6–10 record during the weird COVID year? If so, that’s a much higher winning percentage than our current season, and it wasn’t the low mark in the entire Cowboys franchise history like this season is to us.

Also, Mike Norvell at FSU might be having an equally dreadful season this year, however, last year his FSU team went undefeated during the regular season. Still I see no comparison.
I was just replying to your comment, "It’s impossible to imagine any professional sports franchise making such a business decision."

I was thinking in terms of expectations. Purdue cannot reasonably expect to be in the top third of the btn on a regular basis, if at all.

But the Cowboys, after all the usual tiresome hoopla, can expect to do well in the playoffs. After all the futility, topped by last year's first-round debacle, I would have expected a coaching change...but nope.
 
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