PJ, Mathias, Cline and Spike were no shows. I will give DM and PJ some credit for D, but need them at both ends.
We won without 4 guys...
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PJ made a number of big plays down the stretch.
He wasn't his normal, which we need. His ability to hit the 3 has kept defenses honest. Everyone has an off night and those 4 had tonight.
Spike facilitated. He passed up a layup to kick to Carsen for a 3. I think he could take a larger offensive role if he wanted, but he is happy to defer to our other guys. Very glad he is a Boiler
Can't complain on PJ and Dakota. Not a "good game" for Cline or Spike...but Spike set up Carsen well on the baseline to have him miss a three. Not a positive for, but not huge negatives for those two. Haas...struggling....
Dakota was never really open. I was waiting for him to get an open look. He did knock down a big 3 for us. One thing I have noticed is when the ball is in the post two shooters are going to the same open spot.
I think Haas was the only guy that really had a bad game. IU did a good job on defending the 3-pt shot (Did I really just say that?). Several other players made mistakes, but Haas was just off tonight.
Let me add this: I hate to call individual players. I should say Haas' shot was off tonight. He rebounded well and did what he could against Bryant, who is an excellent center. Let's leave it at that.
Let me add this: I hate to call individual players. I should say Haas' shot was off tonight. He rebounded well and did what he could against Bryant, who is an excellent center. Let's leave it at that.
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Give IU credit for defending the perimeter and wishing for a physical game inside to negate the Purdue inside game...and it worked with a little help as well...
I agree.
Dakota was clearly the priority on the perimeter for IU's D, so there was no reason for him to force a lot of shots. He was missed dearly when he went out with his second foul for the remainder of the first half. (Cline is nowhere near the defender that Dakota is right now.)
PJ struggled with his jump shot, but played well otherwise.
Biggie and Haas had below average games as well. To win on the road in the B1G with 6 of your 8 rotation players playing below average (and that's being kind to some) is impressive.
I don't know. Cline made a lot of poor decisions
Just shows you how cold blooded CE is to step up every game, even in a hostile environment.
Can't speak for the others, but I hold Haas to a little higher expectation than Cline. I didn't see Cline as a positive other than rest for the others and to try to play even. I don't think Haas had a particularly good game
Oh I certainly agree with that. The other posters said Haas was the only one who had a bad game. When Cline turned down the three, drove in and got called for a charge I nearly lost it. Do your job, son. Shoot threes!
Cline had his one chance to make a rare 2 point basket and got scared of TB. There were several bad entry passes tonight that we usually don't see. Normally it's bigs travelling. I think we just need to watch the tape before we know what happened...
He has driven at least once the last four games. he must add to his skill set, but that doesn't mean charge...even though I'm not sure he did
Dakota was +15. No one was harder on that guy than I was, and I was dead wrong.
Loved his effort on the ball that he tried to save as well.
At some point, he is going to hit a shot...and that will hopefully lead to hitting a couple of more then. Regardless, I appreciate what he does do and the effort that he puts forth.
Only makes the win all the more impressive in that all four of those guys struggled tonight.
Thompson had an off night, but, he had arguably the play of the game with his offensive rebound over Blackmon and put back to give Purdue a 2-possession lead at a very critical time, and he had a huge steal on Blackmon as well at another critical point (that lead to the 3-point play by Swanigan to once again give Purdue a 2-possession lead)...and he hit the front end of a critical one-and-one down the stretch to once again provide a 2-possession lead for Purdue.
Mathias was very good for the most part on the defensive end also...tough night at the other end, but, he was good at the defensive end...which is not always easy to do for guys that are traditionally offensive-minded.
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IU guards Blackmon, newkirk and Johnson shot a collective 8-34...defense wins games
Spike really shouldn't be getting many minutes. That dish to Carsen for 3 was nice, and he's a steady hand, but really doesn't offer a whole lot.
I feel like Vince Edwards is on a path of being one of the most under-appreciated players in Purdue hoops history. I think some of it has to do with him not being a great defender, but I'm not sure why else he gets overlooked. Is it because he's a team-oriented guy that doesn't hunt shots? I don't get it. He played great tonight (tied his single game career-high for points) and then I come on a board like this and see very little (other than the in-game thread) praise for him. I'm not trying to start a debate, I just think it's odd.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400914984
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400914984
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He didn't shoot well and traveled but he had a good defensive game. It wasn't one of his better games but still a positive considering the stakes on those fts
I think Haas was really pressing hard last night which led to bad shots. I think the memories of the horrible talk from the IU Student Section had a lingering effect and he was trying too hard to make them pay. I don't think I've seen Haas struggle that bad this season and most of last year as well.
overall, I don't think Vince is under appreciated here. Were there not several threads about good-Vince/bad-Vince, etc.? However, I do know what you mean in that very few on here are saying, "Wow, 26 points!"
Vince won this game by letting the game come to him. IU actually had a good defensive scheme against us, but I think they failed to cover VE.
To your point, I think IU was conceding that VE was going to get open looks and banking on him missing enough to allow them to get away with it. There were several times in the 2nd half where VE was wide open inside the 3 pt line. His man wasn't even close to him because he was sagging in. Credit VE for taking advantage and making them pay when he chose to shoot or drive.
And that's the beauty/benefit of having multiple threats.....can't scheme for everyone. CS is going to get the lion's share of attention from most teams, but because VE is capable of being an inside/outside threat and can hit the offensive glass, last night shows how much he can impact the game in a positive way......26 points.....8 boards (4 offensive)......oh, throw in three steals too.
CE can do the same thing for the back-court when he's not forcing things.
Give credit to Indiana a little, too......they played a solid game defensively, or at least better than many expected, even without Anunoby.
what about the blow-by's when he was on defence or the post entry turnovers. i agree, just not a good game from Cline. At the very least, I expect him to shoot the 3
Vince's effieciency and efficacy drops when he forces things. You can add Vince to any team and he makes the team better without upsetting balance. He has a game personality that is designed to blend in not be an alpha dog. All he needs to do to be at his best is to use his diverse skills to take whatever the opponents give him. If they leave him open, he shoots. If he has driving lane, he drives. If both are not possible, he passes. And when all esle fails, he crashes the boards for rebounds and putbacks. That Vince at his best
We don't need him to force the issue. I would leave that that Swanigan, CE and even Mathias before VE.
I thought Cline had a very poor game. The charge was a good call but he should never have placed himself in that position. Plus, his defense was poor. I believe that Newkirk was his man on that wide open shot from the corner.
I watched the replay on that & think it's Swanigans fault. There was some switching going on & everyone was covering someone except him.
Rather a case of miscommunication or misunderstanding, it was Swanigan's "guy" or responsibility...a tough cover in that situation for him for sure...just need to credit IU and Newkirk in that case for creating it, recognizing it and taking advantage of it.
He is an enigma...that is the problem in my opinion...you simply never know what you are going to get.
He is not good on the defensive end, and that is on full display unfortunately fairly regularly...that said, he is an under-appreciated rebounder (when he is engaged), as he has really been huge in that regard for Purdue this year, especially on the offensive glass.
His shooting from 3 has improved it seems, but he is certainly not automatic by any means...regardless, he helps Purdue in that regard when he is knocking down shots, as he has the ability to put the ball on the floor as well if the defense closes out on him...he is not a great finisher at the rim, but, he has done a nice job at times of getting there at least and drawing a foul.
He was great last night...part of me believed that he would be after being virtually invisible on Saturday, but part of me wondered if he would be invisible again...glad that he not only showed up, but literally carried Purdue at times...he was no doubt the difference (and, for that matter, is probably as key a player for Purdue with respect to what they ultimately end up doing as anyone...when he is good, Purdue is generally REALLY good...when he is not, Purdue has struggled (outside of MD last Saturday)).
never wnet back yet to watch it, but you knew by what happened...what had to happen. I'm guessing is communication in ot switching back and Biggie wanting and needing to stay in his territory. Comunication important, but no perfect game has ever been played...although Villanova/Georgetown in 1985 was the closest I can recall
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