I want them all to stay. They are Boilers everyone.
But essential to keep are the big 3 obviously......then DJ and Cox. Hope CMP adds a couple starter quality to that core base.
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I want them all to stay. They are Boilers everyone.
But essential to keep are the big 3 obviously......then DJ and Cox. Hope CMP adds a couple starter quality to that core base.
Both have family ties to Purdue, but I would not rule out them testing the market as I feel they probably believe that they could be much more effective in a different offensive scheme. That’s just my take on the situation. Wouldn’t be completely taken aback if there was a departure.
Maybe it’s less about pulling scholarships now than it is about pulling NIL $ ?
I’d be pretty disappointed tbh. Don’t think it happens, especially with schools able to pay directly next year.
And I don’t think they can just “test” the waters and come back…i would think paint would say you’re here 100% or not.
I hope they stay as well, but if Painter decides to hit the portal, those are the two positions of need. The comparisons with Newman are spot on. Flashes of brilliance followed by long stretches of 'meh'.
I think we as fans put a little too much into the loyalty aspect of college players. It's a different game now with the portal, ease of transfer, NIL, etc. For some players, these are as much business decisions as they are about where a player dreamed of playing or where his parents/relatives played.
Colvin was pretty damn good yesterday on defense and his offense came alive a bit. Heide looks very timid and back to his first of the season ways. Not sure why and maybe that’s just who he is.
Colvin isn’t leaving. Heide…I’d give 20%
If you have a Boiler background (watch the games), I don't see how you could think this won't be a top 10 team next year. Including team members.
I hope MC stays, but if he and his family have pro hopes, (whether realistic or not), that could factor into his decision.
I think they can be a FF team next year, but Painter needs to add a couple of pieces from the portal.
I've watched games for 50+ years. Too many unknowns to say who is where next year.
So all conjecture, but if our big 3 stay, and no additional players added.....we still are not a FF type team.....8th or 20th. NC/FF should be the goal with a senior Braden as the cornerstone.
I think with a generational player, & senior in Braden, I would hope player(s) are added like the staff did with the generational player Edey was in his projected last year Get the right guys and we increase our chances. Get no one and the %es likely go closer to zero..
Then you better start paying attention to the quality (and number) of picks you are setting since that's the only way to get open looks against better athletes.
Or maybe you just don't project so well.
Nothing personal but if you can't see the potential of this team with a 7'3" shot blocker and Trey at 4 then that's on you.
Still need to add an experienced 5 as a backup/potential starter and/or 1/2 guys who can create and get their own shot while Smith is either on or off the floor.Or maybe you just don't project so well.
Nothing personal but if you can't see the potential of this team with a 7'3" shot blocker and Trey at 4 then that's on you.
Or maybe you just don't project so well.
Nothing personal but if you can't see the potential of this team with a 7'3" shot blocker and Trey at 4 then that's on you.
So you are betting the season on a player that logged a whole 26 minutes @ the 5?
Good luck with that.
Luckily, you are not running the team. I am sure our coaches will take a different approach. One with a backup plan of added players.
Comparions with Newman are not spot on. Newman had at least 1 boneheaded play each game. He might produce at times but he was always going to throw the ball to the other team for a breakaway layup or similar play. Neither of the new guys are doing that much, they just don't show up enough at this point.
Exceptional players. Won a B10 championship.
As good as they were still no NCAAT run that year. Perhaps being a freshman was part of that ? I don't know, but likely.
I think people are really underestimating how much development we are likely to see from Harris, Cox and Burgess. All three are trending favorably and another season working with Braden will really help them.
Do we need another player or two? Perhaps. But it's far from a given. Personally, I'd like to see a wing who can break people down as that's the most pressing need. I think we can cover the 4/5 with TKR/Berg/Jacobsen/Heide/Burgess. If someone in that group leaves, obviously you need to add a body.
Do we need another player or two? Perhaps. But it's far from a given. Personally, I'd like to see a wing who can break people down as that's the most pressing need. I think we can cover the 4/5 with TKR/Berg/Jacobsen/Heide/Burgess. If someone in that group leaves, obviously you need to add a body.
This is the same thing we heard about Heide and Colvin coming into this year. Unfortunately, they're incredibly inconsistent and sometimes disappear completely.
The hope is that guys develop and improve on their weaknesses, but it's definitely not a guarantee.
2, potentially 3 players (not necessarily all starters) from the portal and Painter can build a FF team.
It is true that not all develop at the same rate or magnitude. Part of Myles slower development was just due to a really poor high school background and another part for him and Cam was that having Zach hindered the need for them to develop indirectly as a result of Zach. Bottom line Purdue has at least 8 weeks or half a season to witness any growth and by March it may not only reveal a bit about Cam or Myles, buy also any particular deficiencies that need addressed. I do like this freshman class a lot, but we will know more in a few weeks even if what we know carries no weight.
I know I'm a broken record on the portal view, but any projection as to what any of the freshmen or sophomores will look like by the end of the year is an educated guess at best. I'm coming around to the view that MP will need to hit the portal in some way in the offseason but I don't think we have a clue as to how each of these young guys will develop over the next three months.
Still waiting for that offensive development in Heide, Colvin & Berg not to mention Waddell and Mr. BB Furst. All have had 2 years or more. Can happen.....sure. And it's gravy when it occurs. But in each case fairly inconsistent or little development, other than Colvin's D.
I do like Harris, Cox, Burgess and DJs potential for what you are saying about developing. I like it alot. Not sure I am ready to bet next year on it though?
I agree on Wing.
I also see a need for a 5.
Or a 4 that can score, leaving TKR at tre 5.
I had serious questions about how ready Colvin and Heide would be. Both showed to be very one dimensional last year. Not seeing that with the current frosh.
Cam has been in the program for what, 3 years now, and he still hasn't developed his ball handling skills to the point where he's confident using it in a game with any consistency. I know ball handling is tough and takes years of work to develop, but if they haven't done it by now, not sure they will.It is true that not all develop at the same rate or magnitude. Part of Myles slower development was just due to a really poor high school background and another part for him and Cam was that having Zach hindered the need for them to develop indirectly as a result of Zach. Bottom line Purdue has at least 8 weeks or half a season to witness any growth and by March it may not only reveal a bit about Cam or Myles, buy also any particular deficiencies that need addressed. I do like this freshman class a lot, but we will know more in a few weeks even if what we know carries no weight.
There's nothing wrong with having 6'5-6'6 guys who can jump and shoot like MC and CH, it's just that their lack of ball handling does hold this teams offense back some.
But ask yourself: what is the biggest jump MC and CH need to make from a development standpoint and do you expect to see that in the next 3 months?
These guys have both played about 50 college games, so they've seen it all.
This is why Painter is tinkering with the starting lineup. He got the productions from CH and MC for a game or two but then it went away.
Yep. I think you can get away with one guy on the floor like that but not two. I know some will say we have three but Loyer is a better ballhandler than some give credit. He's not breaking guys down off the dribble but if he gets a step, he can at least get to the rim and draw fouls or finish thru contact. I haven't even seen that from Colvin or Heide. The only time they get to the rim off the dribble in the halfcourt is if there is a complete breakdown defensively.
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To say that Cam and Myles have seen it all is inaccurate, IMO. I think Cam has played more than 20 minutes something like 8 times in his career and Myles has about the same. In the vast majority of games last year each played fewer than 15 minutes. I'm not advocating for more minutes at this point, particularly if they're not shooting well, but both are pretty green from a development standpoint.
I don't expect either to develop into a 'go-to' scorer or primary ball handler, although Myles did show last year that he could get his own shot on pull-ups. They need to hit open shots and continue to improve in their execution of team defense.
I don't know how tough it is to be able to dribble two dribbles and get in the lane. I also don't know that ball handling was as important to Myles and Cam as it is today. It is human nature to want to do what is easy and do that. It takes a special dedication to work on the weak areas that someone is not successful. No question if they were to provide another area of scoring it would help them and the team...and I'm not even expecting them to get to the rim off the dribble, just enough to counter a hard closeout with an easy jumper in the lane...which I do think they can do...even if I don't think they can start out at the arc and get to the rim...just getting into the lane for a soft jumper would help make them a threat and possibly draw help and enhance offensive rebounding as well. Still, like I said...nothing is going to happen in the next 8-10 weeks and they either will or will not show improvement. Nothing urgent today...
We have seen that before with players with very little chance of making the pros. However, in this case the dad was a pro athlete .I would hope he can see that Myles likely is not going that route. If Myles goes to a better program, he gets buried behind great talents. If he goes down a notch, he could show better, but the NBA will look at his lower level competition and how he did versus higher level teams with Purdue.
Myles Colvin did do that recently - well you and I may have disagreed on the "easy" aspect of the jumper, but he dribbled to the top of the key and hit a jumper against Toledo - was the possession after Fletch turned him down for the lob opportunity, IIRC.
I think both he and Cam Heide have the skills and definitely the "hops" to drive and take a pull-up, but it also takes some getting used to and being comfortable in the flow of the offense. Hey, if 'Ol Man Fletch can do it, they can.
We all sometimes forget about patience......they are also not anywhere near half-way done with thier eligibility.
Colvin took a big step defensively and with the way he approaches the game plan - was in a shooting slump, but maybe that's over now with seeing a few go down against Northwestern.
JMHO
Let's also not forget this about Mr. Heide:
• Posted the best effective field goal percentage (.682) of any high-major freshman with a minimum of 75 field goal attempts.
• Was 1-of-2 players nationally to shoot at least 65.0 percent from 2-point range and 45.0 percent from 3-point range (Hofstra's German Platnikov the other).
EDIT - TJ, it was actually one game later I was thinking - late in the first half against Minnesota. Another New Year's resolution broken....oh well.
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Yes I made comments about Myles doing exactly that after it happened. I suspect that isn't something he practices though or hasn't in the past at game speed. Not being primary ball handlers and playing with Zach those players didn't have the need to break the pressure for a mid range jumper with Lance, Fletch and Braden handling the ball. This year it would be helpful if they could do that.Myles Colvin did do that recently - well you and I may have disagreed on the "easy" aspect of the jumper, but he dribbled to the top of the key and hit a jumper against Toledo - was the possession after Fletch turned him down for the lob opportunity, IIRC.
I think both he and Cam Heide have the skills and definitely the "hops" to drive and take a pull-up, but it also takes some getting used to and being comfortable in the flow of the offense. Hey, if 'Ol Man Fletch can do it, they can.
We all sometimes forget about patience......they are also not anywhere near half-way done with thier eligibility.
Colvin took a big step defensively and with the way he approaches the game plan - was in a shooting slump, but maybe that's over now with seeing a few go down against Northwestern.
JMHO
Let's also not forget this about Mr. Heide:
• Posted the best effective field goal percentage (.682) of any high-major freshman with a minimum of 75 field goal attempts.
• Was 1-of-2 players nationally to shoot at least 65.0 percent from 2-point range and 45.0 percent from 3-point range (Hofstra's German Platnikov the other).
I do NOT know how they work on shooting, but suspect it is more of a catch and shoot since they are the fourth option and the shot clock allows less the 20 seconds typically for attempt a shot and so it is hard to go through three options and get to a fourth when the clock is ticking. That wouldn't be the case if the clock wasn't in play. If a player is in triple threat I believe that a college perimeter player should "easily" move 8+ feet with a decent first step and one dribble and of course now the angle is in play (is he headed to the lane/basket or going wide?) So I suspect there is little practice on it and probably because of the time needed to create for the main three that they don't get the opportunity and are not comfortable doing it. I do however think two dribbles and a short pull up would be easy with enough reps.
going back a few years, but here is Dick with the 1-2 stop for perimeter jump shooting...lean into a curve like riding a bike and get that inside foot pivoted going down which I think is easy. Rachel in the video coached for a year or two at Western High School in Howard County. Anyway with their hops and limited dribbling...assuming there is some space, I don't think it would be difficult for them to take two or in some cases one dribble for an open around the lane jumper...but it may not be in the cards.
1-2 stop by Dick (RIP)
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Poor Myles” He will start from day one” Colvin. He is a victim of high expectations based on him dunking over slow six four centers and shooting over five ten guards in high school. Others have gotten this treatment including Harris this year. And there is “ he is ready” Berg who “ has held his own against the top player in the country in one on one drills” turning out not so ready. I laugh at this stuff when I see it and think let’s wait and see. Some will be fine players over time, some may just not be more than a mop up player. In the case of Myles, I think he could become a fine player and start regularly at some point. His defense is already there. Harris too can be a contributor.
Both can get there. Myles has made big improvement in his D, but the last few games players are blowing by him and so he might need to give a bit more ground. I actually thought and it still can happen that Myles would be a better player "at Purdue" than Jaden with his shooting looking better when coming to Purdue. Giccari is well rounded as a player...just needs that perimeter shot to drop
That was two dribbles and included Myles going wide which allowed the D to catch back up some. I would prefer Myles to drive closer to the defender, but enough that the defender had to move to catch a charge and if Myles does that he gains an advantage on the D for a better shot. I think that is the most common thing for players of all ages to go "wide" and shy away from contact. Once Myles is moving and has the D going sideways...the foul is on the D if Myles doesn't push off or go perpendicular into the D "once" moving...keep taking up the slack Myles...Myles Colvin did do that recently - well you and I may have disagreed on the "easy" aspect of the jumper, but he dribbled to the top of the key and hit a jumper against Toledo - was the possession after Fletch turned him down for the lob opportunity, IIRC.
I think both he and Cam Heide have the skills and definitely the "hops" to drive and take a pull-up, but it also takes some getting used to and being comfortable in the flow of the offense. Hey, if 'Ol Man Fletch can do it, they can.
We all sometimes forget about patience......they are also not anywhere near half-way done with thier eligibility.
Colvin took a big step defensively and with the way he approaches the game plan - was in a shooting slump, but maybe that's over now with seeing a few go down against Northwestern.
JMHO
Let's also not forget this about Mr. Heide:
• Posted the best effective field goal percentage (.682) of any high-major freshman with a minimum of 75 field goal attempts.
• Was 1-of-2 players nationally to shoot at least 65.0 percent from 2-point range and 45.0 percent from 3-point range (Hofstra's German Platnikov the other).
EDIT - TJ, it was actually one game later I was thinking - late in the first half against Minnesota. Another New Year's resolution broken....oh well.
Watch Myles feet pointed towards the sideline. Dick addresses this around the 6:17 minute mark
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I agree, I think if Myles was in the position of being given the opportunity in the offense that Jaden was or Fletcher has we might see a different Myles. I believe he’s playing his expected role he’s been given within the current Purdue offensive scheme. I guess what I’m saying is that if he was put in fletches roll with motions being run for him I believe he could be highly effective. Maybe I’m wrong 🤷🏼♂️
he would be better, but Fletch came in with better ball handling and understanding of the game. That said Myles is limited in experience with a bit of game understanding and skills outside of shooting in a quicker shot. I have hope he gets there. Go look at the video I posted "after" looking at the Minny video of Myles GRad in TExas posted relative to my comments on that video as far as going wide and Myles feet positioning...and review in dicks video around 6:17. This is not a hard thing to correct, but unsure Myles is even aware????
I’d like to see some booty ball out of Cam and Myles. Use their size to get to the hoop and take advantage of having weaker defenders defending them.
With Caleb and Trey on the court...that probably doesn't happen, but with Trey on the floor...maybe Caleb...just one that would be possible. Interesting is that neither probably has much experience working down low...AND their defenders wouldn't either. Players shoot the three ball and get to the rim, but the really good offensive threats can do all three.
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