My thoughts are he needs to drop his weight and that will improve either spot. We all talked about his weight last summer and I think it has hurt him. He is not as quick and doesn't seem to play as high above the rim as he did as a freshman IMO
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The last two games CMP benched CE at about the 13-15 minute mark and against Minny he didn't see the court the rest the game and last night didn't get put back in until around 4 minutes left. I just don't understand how you can keep the much offense on the bench for that long.
When you shoot 3-14 against Minnesota and most are pretty forced shots along with playing very poor defense, you'll get benched for the game when you are a freshman.
When you have 3 TO's in a crucial time of the game when Purdue was struggling with not turning the ball over and needed to play better overall defense, he got sat.
Tend to agree here.....with Spike, it's taking some time to work him back in....both physically and mentally, after being out.....just guessing......but I think we'll see more of that second half of the conference slate.
I also think CMP is trying to bring CE along....have him learn, but it's looking like he doesn't quite trust his decision making come crunch time.....not yet......that doesn't mean he won't later in the year.....I believe he will win at least one game later in the year down the stretch.....JMO.
This is a great point to those that are arguing Spike vs PJ. Carsen is in that equation as well and as dynamic a scorer as he can be, he is also a bit erratic in his decision-making still, as you might expect from a freshman, which means late in the game he hasn't been playing as much. I think Spike is safer and I'd use him over Carsen when trying to hold a lead in the last few minutes. If I was behind and needed points, I'd leave Carsen in.
I think Spike brings assets to the game that can be helpful at the right place/time. Not as a replacement for anybody but as the player with unique experience and skills that can be helpful. I was impressed by his behavior on the bench near the end of the game - he obviously has a great desire to win.
Not picking on you TJ, but when this came up this summer I was one that expressed my concern of him weighing so much and you might have also. "We" got blistered by the experts saying we were making something out of nothing and then when some videos came out showing him looking a little slimmer we were once again told how foolish we were for being concerned about weight. There is no question he is less athletic than he was. From his waist down he looks heavy. Needs to drop the weight and he will be better all over the floor. JMO
This seems fair since he's taken all of 3 shots since returning and has hit 1 of them. I mean, if he hits his next shot he'll be shooting .500 since returning from a broken vertebrae.
yes, I was one and could see it in the summer scrimmages. There are a lot of opinions on here and that is okay. Whether others think he is too heavy or not doesn't change my thoughts that he is. Put a LOT of that weight in his butt...could see it even before last summer when he would shoot before the games in mackey. Dad is relatively thin, but dropping the weight IMO would help him
I've no problem with how the rotation is being handled. I'm not paid enough to pretend that I know more about how to use these guys than the guy that recruited them and spends part of every day with them.
Given that he was a 40% 3 point shooter in 3 healthy seasons at Michigan, I think we can give him some rope there. Even if his shooting doesn't come around, he's not exactly hurting us when he's out there. He takes care of the basketball (only 5 turnovers in 125 minutes this season) and it's not liking he's forcing up bad shots and killing opportunities for others. His typically takes around 2 shots per game so it's not like he's going 4-13 and hurting us badly when he doesn't hit.
There was a play on defense where Spike tipped the ball and Purdue got a steal late in the game. Also, when Purdue may have needed the ability to get down the court quickly for a shot, Carsen was in the game...but you saw his poor decisions on defense with the foul to potentially give OSU the lead along with another poor decision late to swipe down at the ball on a drive and give OSU an And 1. Those are freshman mistakes that can lead to a loss...which is why for a portion he was taken out in favor of Spike because of Spike's experience. When Carsen's skills were needed...he went right back in to the game.
Just a clarification.....I think the and-one mistake was PJT, but I might be mistaken....I was still recovering from the shattered glass.
if his name was tommy luce instead of spike would he play? i think its dangerous to live in the past of a severely injured player. maybe he will improve but right now i dont see it.
How does that have any rationality behind it? Of course Luce isn't going to play...he is an invited walk-on while Spike was a full scholarship player at UM who played and controlled a NT game before transferring to Purdue.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
The guy is steady as a rock with the ball and our offense flows fine with him in the game. Even if he goes 0-1 or 1-3 in the game it doesn't kill us and that is why he will see 6 to 10 minutes a game. You know he isn't going to have stupid, silly turnovers or jack a 30 foot shot 5 seconds into the shot clock. There are times where you want Carsen in the game to do the things he can do but there are other times where we don't want to risk a big mistake he's more prone to make and I think that's Spike's role on this team.
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Your most recent point was that he and Tommy Luce are the same player and that certainly does not prove your point.
im saying you are judging future output on past output and its dumb. hes clearly not at that level right now and you wouldnt support anyone else playing as poorly.
No. I'm saying I don't think he's playing poorly and that you just can't make the distinction between playing poorly and shooting poorly.
Show you stats for a player who sat out a month from a broken back essentially after two games back and playing an average less than 15 minutes...got it.
I've already given some. 5 turnovers in 125 minutes this year. 0 turnovers in 19 minutes since coming back. I get that you obviously don't get the value of taking care of the basketball and keeping the ball moving in the halfcourt offense but there is.
Carsen made at least 5 freshman mistakes last night. The teams in the Big know the tendencies and will jump passes. Carsen is a great help to Purdue and much farther on D than I expected, but it was obvious over a year ago that he was smart and a yes sir, no sir person...and so getting in line early shouldn't surprise. Spike is a steady hand that can hit a jumper and definitely a FT. Outside of Dakota he has made some of the better passes. Definitely there is a place for Spike and if Matt didn't think so he wouldn't be in such a hurry to get him in these last two games when he was medically cleared to get him some playing time for "that "day
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I disagree about Haas. What people don't realize is that Haas wears down the other team and draws fouls. Towards the end of games, we are usually in Bonus+ situation (OSU the exception). I'd prefer Carson, Mathias and Vince over Spike and Cline at this point. Though as I've always maintained, we need a consistent shooter (per game) and if Cline can do it game by game then I'd like to see him play.
Albrecht has one year at Purdue, and he has already missed 7 games due to injury. At this point, you either need to give him some minutes and let him work his way into the rotation or shelve him. I'm guessing Painter has seen enough in practice to decide that he isn't ready to shelve him yet. That said if he is the same guy 5 or 6 games from now, I'd guess his minutes will get cut back to nothing.
5 turnovers, 4 made baskets. On a per minute basis, his turnover number is in line with Dakota and Ryan.
Minutes played per turnover
Caleb 9.98
Isaac 9.45
Vince 12.85
Carsen 12.46
Dakota 22.85
PJ 39.9
Ryan 24.8
Basil 17
Spike 25
So what you're saying is he's the most trustworthy ball handler we have outside of PJ?
Outside of fast breaks and a steal off the in bound, did anyone count lay ups the last game? OSU won the tip and made several lay ups. Haas came in and I counted one. Haas left and several more came. Later in the game OSU made another one with Haas in the game. I saw Haas make a pretty block, but more importantly I saw OSU missed about 5 in close shots affected by Haas.
I was glad to see Haas coming up every time on their pick and going more aggressively for offensive rebounds and again did a stand out job boxing out their big men, who as the poster above noted, both had 4+ fouls.
I have noticed the same the last several games. Depending on the line-up teams seem to drive to the basket and score at will. Painter made some adjustments in the 2nd half, but in the first half I was yelling at the TV for the team to stop the drives to the hoop.
Carsen is one of the only players on the team that make a play out of nothing at the end of a close game, so I'm glad that he was in during "crunch-time" last night and thought he should have been in versus Minnesota as well.
One cannot underestimate the value of having a player that can score when it looks like they have no space or time to do it. Purdue's needed a player like that in many of their close NCAA Tournament losses (Keady and Painter teams: Kramer saved them vs. Texas A&M in 2010, Hummel saved them against St. Mary's in 2012). Now they have one so he needs to keep playing, through thick and thin.
Basil played 5 minutes, Spike played 4. You don't play them and you only play 7 players. It's not as if they are averaging 15 minutes a game.
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