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We need to shorten the bench...

I'm actually fine with all the players we play. Maybe I'd them to play a little more or less on a player-by-player, game-to-game basis but I don't fret too much with any of them.
 
TC4THREE said:
I'm actually fine with all the players we play. Maybe I'd them to play a little more or less on a player-by-player, game-to-game basis but I don't fret too much with any of them.
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Don't disagree. But I thought tonight was a great example where a shorter bench would've helped immensely. It is all about matchups but Haas, BS, and Spike are our worst matchup players. Some games they will be more prominent.
 
BoilerBulldog said:
I believe tonight's starting lineup is spot on. Beyond that I think we need to cut Haas's minute back to 15 or so and I think BS and Spike need to be cut way back. I don't think they add much now that we are in conference play other than when fouls become an issue.

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I actually think Spike needs to play more. I think there is going to be at least one game this year where he gets us over the top. I also think his tourney experience is going to be key for us in March. We need his leadership IMO. I also think PJ is much better when he gets more rest. PJ shouldn't be playing 30+ minutes a game.
 
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Completely disagree with Basil and Spike. They need expanded roles. This game was awful to watch the last ten minutes. Purdue needed a spark from Basil. Need to cut minutes of Cline, PJ, and Haas. Cline is one dimensional. PJ struggles bringing up the ball against one guy. PJ did hit a big shot tonight but I still don't like him playing so many minutes.
 
Spike needs to play more and more. Looks like Painter doesn't want to put Carson as the lead pg under the 10 min mark in the 2nd half. PJ looked exhausted toward the end of the Minn game. Spike has to spell him down the stretch. Especially if PJ has to play defense against an upper level point guard the whole game. PJ actually had his legs in this game and as such hit the biggest three of the game to make it 75-71. Spike has got to be in there more if Painter wont let Carson be the lead pg in the second half.
 
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I agree - I think Spike is an asset and will be even more so as the season goes on. He is a very experienced player and it shows. My concern is Haas - there was a point tonight when you could see that he is just flummoxed by his inability to do what he usually can do with ease. He just looked so defeated. Somehow he needs to regain his confidence, not be so hard on himself and recognize that the other team is going to do everything they can to keep him out of sync.
 
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BoilerBulldog said:
I believe tonight's starting lineup is spot on. Beyond that I think we need to cut Haas's minute back to 15 or so and I think BS and Spike need to be cut way back. I don't think they add much now that we are in conference play other than when fouls become an issue.

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I think 20 mpg is about right for Haas. He wasn't quite the stumbling, bumbling big man tonight that he was against Minn, but his offensive confidence is non-existent right now. I'll take 10 boards from him any night, though. Especially in 20 minutes.

I'd be happy with PJ playing 20-25 minutes at PG, Spike playing ~10 minutes, and CE getting the other 5-10 minutes. Spike's missed all of his 3-pt attempts since the Nova game. Hopefully he can hit a couple and get some confidence back, otherwise he's just not a threat and only spelling PJ and CE for a handful of minutes each game.
 
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spike - I too think we will see more and more spike as the season progresses.

haas - next year is his year
 
BoilerFan#35 said:
Completely disagree with Basil and Spike. They need expanded roles. This game was awful to watch the last ten minutes. Purdue needed a spark from Basil. Need to cut minutes of Cline, PJ, and Haas. Cline is one dimensional. PJ struggles bringing up the ball against one guy. PJ did hit a big shot tonight but I still don't like him playing so many minutes.
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I thought Basil would get more time against OSU...and spike will get his minutes...just bringing him back slowly. he was in early missed his one shot and still don't know what happened where he just lost control of his dribble for no apparent reason. The real season just started...let's see how it unfolds the next couple of weeks...
 
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I respect the opinions here but I don't see what Spike adds to the rotation. He's a great leader and teammate but I don't see how that translates to the Big Ten. I think BS is a year away.
 
I've kind of been disappointed with Basil since the Villanova game. Not quite the spark off the bench that I was hoping for. He seems to lack some of the athleticism he showed his sophomore year. We need that energy.
 
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BoilerBulldog said:
I respect the opinions here but I don't see what Spike adds to the rotation. He's a great leader and teammate but I don't see how that translates to the Big Ten. I think BS is a year away.
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What Spike "could" add is another person that makes good decisions with the ball and gets it to the right people at the right time. Others may struggle, be hurt or sick and it is some good depth that may have that magic moment in some game. Him being solid allows some rest to play harder throughout for Carsen and PJ. could be a game that Purdue is up 1 with 15 seconds and the ball is out of bounds and 6-8 fouls on teh other team and they are going to foul. This might be a time that he is needed as well...did anyone foul out?
Basil has experience and "generally" knows what he can do and what he shouldn't. There will be games you need him for a situation or a game that he is on the roll. These kids practice and need to think their name can be called any minute. It makes for better practices and team chemistry the more players that want more playing time, but understand why their time is limited...but still there. Remember there are a lot of egos on a team...all were previous stars and Basil just sat out last year in hope that this year would bring him much more time.
 
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Spike is probably the guard I'm most comfortable with handling the ball against pressure and also probably our best free throw shooter. That combo makes him extremely valuable down the stretch of close games the rest of the way. He should always be in the game when we have a late lead we're trying to salt away.
 
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BoilerFan#35 said:
Completely disagree with Basil and Spike. They need expanded roles. This game was awful to watch the last ten minutes. Purdue needed a spark from Basil. Need to cut minutes of Cline, PJ, and Haas. Cline is one dimensional. PJ struggles bringing up the ball against one guy. PJ did hit a big shot tonight but I still don't like him playing so many minutes.
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lol. You don't understand shiz,
 
For those of you disrespecting PJ, may I point out that he's at 54-11 Assists to Turnovers, which just happens to be tops in the league. He also has 16 steals, which is second on the team. He's hitting 40.6% from beyond the arc. This team would be a lot worse without him and for the life of me I can't understand anyone who understands the game saying "PJ needs his minutes cut". And if he's so terrible bringing the ball up, how is it that he only has those 11 turnovers?
 
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For those of you disrespecting PJ, may I point out that he's at 54-11 Assists to Turnovers, which just happens to be tops in the league. He also has 16 steals, which is second on the team. He's hitting 40.6% from beyond the arc. This team would be a lot worse without him and for the life of me I can't understand anyone who understands the game saying "PJ needs his minutes cut". And if he's so terrible bringing the ball up, how is it that he only has those 11 turnovers?
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He's not been bad against pressure but we've only seen it in limited doses so far and I still have flashbacks of troubles he's had in prior years. It just seems to me that Spike looked way more comfortable against Auburn's pressure earlier this year.

That said, I'm not sure there's another player on the team I'd want taking an open 3 pointer at a big spot in the game. He seems to have that knack that he shoots better with the pressure on. He made a huge 3 tonight for sure.
 
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BoilerBulldog said:
I believe tonight's starting lineup is spot on. Beyond that I think we need to cut Haas's minute back to 15 or so and I think BS and Spike need to be cut way back. I don't think they add much now that we are in conference play other than when fouls become an issue.

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Totally agree. Smotherman and Spike shouldn't play unless we're in serious foul trouble or up by 20 now that we're in B1G play.
 
TC4THREE said:
He's not been bad against pressure but we've only seen it in limited doses so far and I still have flashbacks of troubles he's had in prior years. It just seems to me that Spike looked way more comfortable against Auburn's pressure earlier this year.

That said, I'm not sure there's another player on the team I'd want taking an open 3 pointer at a big spot in the game. He seems to have that knack that he shoots better with the pressure on. He made a huge 3 tonight for sure.
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Almost every team has pressured or pressed at some point on the game because Purdue struggled so much with it last season.
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Almost every team has pressured or pressed at some point on the game because Purdue struggled so much with it last season.
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Yes to varying degrees and we have handled it very well to date. I guess at this point I don't see anyone in the Big Ten throwing a press at us that we can't handle but certainly could draw someone in the NCAA tournament.
 
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Yes to varying degrees and we have handled it very well to date. I guess at this point I don't see anyone in the Big Ten throwing a press at us that we can't handle but certainly could draw someone in the NCAA tournament.
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Going back to your original thought on this, I think the issues of breaking pressure is a team issue. A single player should never be expected to break pressure by himself unless it is one on one...and frankly I don't really remember times when PJT has struggled with that aspect. As his teammates have gotten better (Mathias and Vince notably) at helping break pressure, so has Purdue's overall ability to effectively handle pressure.
 
what on earth are you guys watching?

the last player that needs more minutes is Spike. He can not hit an open shot to save his life.. He has zero athleticism, and looks strait up scared to do anything other than pass... won't even think about driving in. He can't hit open shots, he can't play on ball D... he does NOT need more time.

Neither does Basil.. he is a bad shot waiting to happen. Not sure what games you guys watch my god
 
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JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
Going back to your original thought on this, I think the issues of breaking pressure is a team issue. A single player should never be expected to break pressure by himself unless it is one on one...and frankly I don't really remember times when PJT has struggled with that aspect. As his teammates have gotten better (Mathias and Vince notably) at helping break pressure, so has Purdue's overall ability to effectively handle pressure.
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I guess I remember it differently than you then. I recall some costly turnovers over the past two years and many other instances where he was just one of many tentative ballhandlers trying to advance the ball against a press and that gave us issues. Typically the point guard takes the lead in breaking down that pressure and attacking the press.

Now to be completely fair, he shouldn't have been expected to carry that burden as a true freshman and he has improved tremendously to where he is today. I still feel from what I've seen this year that Spike looks more comfortable and he would be my preference in late game situations for that reason combined with the fact that he is a better free throw shooter.
 
krazyjvilled said:
what on earth are you guys watching?

the last player that needs more minutes is Spike. He can not hit an open shot to save his life.. He has zero athleticism, and looks strait up scared to do anything other than pass... won't even think about driving in. He can't hit open shots, he can't play on ball D... he does NOT need more time.

Neither does Basil.. he is a bad shot waiting to happen. Not sure what games you guys watch my god
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I kind of agree on Basil. He scares me the most when he has the ball in his hands.

As for Spike, I don't see his defense as much worse than PJ and the guy has been out of game action for awhile so I don't expect him to come back shooting the lights out right away. Still, I see his value as being a surest ballhandler and best free throw shooter. I want to see him in the ball game when we have late leads.
 
we need to watch the nw minny game and see how nw shut down mason. he didnt torch them for 31, and murphy didnt have a good game either. our defense last sunday was to put it mildly...pitiful. dont tell me nw had someone more athletic than purdue's guards to keep these two in check
 
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BoilerBulldog said:
I believe tonight's starting lineup is spot on. Beyond that I think we need to cut Haas's minute back to 15 or so and I think BS and Spike need to be cut way back. I don't think they add much now that we are in conference play other than when fouls become an issue.

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No.

The rotation is already short.
 
nagemj02 said:
No.

The rotation is already short.
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you dont need a large rotation... 8 man is fine.. basil can get a few minutes more at the 4 if need be, but that's really it.. spike honestly is not better than PJ at anything IMO

PJ is number 1 in the country in assist to turnover ratio, is shooting well from 3, and I dont think is anymore of a liability on D than spike would be
 
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krazyjvilled said:
you dont need a large rotation... 8 man is fine.. basil can get a few minutes more at the 4 if need be, but that's really it.. spike honestly is not better than PJ at anything IMO

PJ is number 1 in the country in assist to turnover ratio, is shooting well from 3, and I dont think is anymore of a liability on D than spike would be
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The more options, the better IMO. Limiting one's options (in this case, a team's rotation) is like cutting out a resource than can prove to be valuable when times are trying (or provide a spark that gives the team enough to a pull out a win).

Example: Michigan would not have won the NCAA Tournament in 1989 if reserve guard Demetrius Calip had not scored key baskets in a comeback win over Xavier in the first round (92-87). He averaged 7 MPG in 30 GP as a sophomore that season but Michigan would have lost had he not scored 9 crucial points.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/michigan/1989.html
 
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tjreese said:
I think his weight has not helped him.
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Perhaps it will help if Basil is assigned specifically to either the 3 or 4, instead of being asked to play both.

Option 1. Either stay at 235 and play only the 4

Option 2. Or cut to 220 and improve his ball handling and shot, to play the 3

Midway through his junior year, we might be a bit late for option 2.
 
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The more options, the better IMO. Limiting one's options (in this case, a team's rotation) is like cutting out a resource than can prove to be valuable when times are trying (or provide a spark that gives the team enough to a pull out a win).

Example: Michigan would not have won the NCAA Tournament in 1989 if reserve guard Demetrius Calip had not scored key baskets in a comeback win over Xavier in the first round (92-87). He averaged 7 MPG in 30 GP as a sophomore that season but Michigan would have lost had he not scored 9 crucial points.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/michigan/1989.html
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I don't necessarily disagree but I just want BS and Spike to be used only situationally and more rarely. I'm not suggesting they never play another minute. But I think it's clear who our key players are we need on the court now that we are in conference.
 
rgarlitz said:
Basil is like Tabasco Sauce. A little usually kicks Purdue's game up a notch. But you don't want him to overpower the main flavors.
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I never thought of basil being like Tabasco. I find it minty. Yeah...that was really
BoilerBulldog said:
I respect the opinions here but I don't see what Spike adds to the rotation. He's a great leader and teammate but I don't see how that translates to the Big Ten. I think BS is a year away.
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im conflicted regarding Spike. Makes some great hustle plays like being part of that scramble for the ball that ended up in a CE layup but also makes some mystifying mistakes with ball handling. If the deep shot was there I would lean towards playing him more. Right now BS is a spot player because he plays like a spot player. The rotation will only get tighter over this month so whoever wishes to be a contributor in Feb and March better get it in gear.
 
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