Very Disappointing

[Purdue0034]

Plenty of blame to go around in this one, starting with the refs. I wish we had better plays set-up for Swanigan near the end. This probably cost us a Big Ten regular season title and a number 4 seed or better in the tournament. Like usual we will be seeded worse than our ranking and in a terrible bracket. We will be lucky if we make it out of the first weekend. I hope I am wrong about the tournament! We have to do better than this even if the refs are working against us. We can't pass the ball to someone's feet and expect to win!

 

[Purdue0034]

I must apologize for my negativity! I should have waited a few hours before I posted! I am still hopeful this team can turn the (right) corner and be a pleasant surprise in the Big Ten tournament and the NCAA tournament! Boiler Up!

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Your not wrong. I love Purdue, but has seen them choke time and again when it matters most. All that comes back to me was how poorly we exited last years March Madness. Purdue now lives and dies by Swanigan and I do like the player, but the team suffers when he posts up and hogs the f'n ball at the end of the game and can't do shit with it. We'll be another pre-Sweet sixteen early exit if Coach Painter doesn't get his head out of his ass and start coaching this team.
Coach Bo Ryan and now current coach Greg Gard would instlll team ball at all cost.

 

[TC4THREE]

Winning the Big Ten was a very long shot even before today. Focus needs to be on improving for March.

 

[banshee90]

Plenty of blame to go around in this one, starting with the refs. I wish we had better plays set-up for Swanigan near the end. This probably cost us a Big Ten regular season title and a number 4 seed or better in the tournament. Like usual we will be seeded worse than our ranking and in a terrible bracket. We will be lucky if we make it out of the first weekend. I hope I am wrong about the tournament! We have to do better than this even if the refs are working against us. We can't pass the ball to someone's feet and expect to win!

I have seen this episode before... What's the definition of insanity doing the same thing expecting different results. One more year before painter is shown the door. Last year the team pulled out around. This year the team has all but imploded. Losing to mediocre Iowa and Nebraska is fireable offense almost anywhere else. He hasn't made it out of the first round in about what 5 years. This year is supposed to be his most complete team in a shitty big ten and he isn't even competing for the god damn title even crean has found that nut.

Painter is a chump and needs to be dumped.

 

[Dryfly88]

Winning the Big Ten was a very long shot even before today. Focus needs to be on improving for March.

1. It wasn't a very long shot. We were only 1 game out of first with half the conference season to go. We also held the tie breaker with Wisconsin and yet to play Maryland. If we took care of our business it wasn't a long shot at all. It is a very long shot now that we are 2 games behind WI.

2. I really don't know what you mean by "improving for March"? Winning games is how you improve for March. It gives you a better seed which greatly increases your chance of going farther.

I'm not in the "fire Painter" group, but I'm not going to minimize this loss either. We most certainly had a decent chance to win the B1G especially if we beat Maryland next week. Tonight made that very unlikely and it also hurts us for seeding in the big dance.

 

[TC4THREE]

1. It wasn't a very long shot. We were only 1 game out of first with half the conference season to go. We also held the tie breaker with Wisconsin and yet to play Maryland. If we took care of our business it wasn't a long shot at all. It is a very long shot now that we are 2 games behind WI.

2. I really don't know what you mean by "improving for March"? Winning games is how you improve for March. It gives you a better seed which greatly increases your chance of going farther.

I'm not in the "fire Painter" group, but I'm not going to minimize this loss either. We most certainly had a decent chance to win the B1G especially if we beat Maryland next week. Tonight made that very unlikely and it also hurts us for seeding in the big dance.

You don't get improving for March? I mean I think it's pretty self explanatory. You can get better from losses if you learn from your mistakes.

 

[TC4THREE]

1. It wasn't a very long shot. We were only 1 game out of first with half the conference season to go. We also held the tie breaker with Wisconsin and yet to play Maryland. If we took care of our business it wasn't a long shot at all. It is a very long shot now that we are 2 games behind WI.

2. I really don't know what you mean by "improving for March"? Winning games is how you improve for March. It gives you a better seed which greatly increases your chance of going farther.

I'm not in the "fire Painter" group, but I'm not going to minimize this loss either. We most certainly had a decent chance to win the B1G especially if we beat Maryland next week. Tonight made that very unlikely and it also hurts us for seeding in the big dance.

Have you compared the rest of our schedule to Wisconsin's? Maryland's? There's more to it than their position in the standing going into today. Wisconsin and Maryland probably aren't going to lose many more.

 

[*4purdue*]

Have you compared the rest of our schedule to Wisconsin's? Maryland's? There's more to it than their position in the standing going into today. Wisconsin and Maryland probably aren't going to lose many more.

if you were throwing in the towel even before the 1/2 way mark, down only 1 game, I don't understand your thinking. You said in another post people must not watch hoops other than Purdue because of the upsets. You must have been including yourself in that.

 

[TC4THREE]

if you were throwing in the towel even before the 1/2 way mark, down only 1 game, I don't understand your thinking. You said in another post people must not watch hoops other than Purdue because of the upsets. You must have been including yourself in that.

Nope I'm not. I just have a far better understanding of things than most people here.

 

[Dryfly88]

You don't get improving for March? I mean I think it's pretty self explanatory. You can get better from losses if you learn from your mistakes.

I get that winning games improves your chances in March. "Focusing" on improving is the part I don't get. Do you think we weren't already trying to get better before today? What we saw today was the same things we have seen all season: Turnovers, poor defense and questionable judgement. I don't think it's because they aren't "focusing" on it. It's who we are this season. That's what I was questioning about "focusing" on March.

Despite those weak areas we were in a position to stay within 1 game of first place and a game yet with Maryland. We all but eliminated the chance of winning the conference today.

 

[Dryfly88]

Have you compared the rest of our schedule to Wisconsin's? Maryland's? There's more to it than their position in the standing going into today. Wisconsin and Maryland probably aren't going to lose many more.

I'm well aware of the schedule and if you think a 1 game lead with us holding the tie breaker is "highly unlikely" then you may not know as much as you think you do. We still have a game with Maryland. Were you just assuming we were going to lose that one?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I get that winning games improves your chances in March. "Focusing" on improving is the part I don't get. Do you think we weren't already trying to get better before today? What we saw today was the same things we have seen all season: Turnovers, poor defense and questionable judgement. I don't think it's because they aren't "focusing" on it. It's who we are this season. That's what I was questioning about "focusing" on March.

Despite those weak areas we were in a position to stay within 1 game of first place and a game yet with Maryland. We all but eliminated the chance of winning the conference today.

Great, or even really good teams don't lose 3 games to teams like Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska.

 

[TC4THREE]

Great, or even really good teams don't lose 3 games to teams like Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska.

This. DryFly is showing what he really knows.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

This. DryFly is showing what he really knows.

Ok if you agree with that: then when do you expect CMP to accomplish something of significance?

 

[TC4THREE]

Ok if you agree with that: then when do you expect CMP to accomplish something of significance?

He already has imo.

 

[*4purdue*]

He already has imo.

Alternative Facts

 

[Dryfly88]

This. DryFly is showing what he really knows.

WTF?

 

[Dryfly88]

Nope I'm not. I just have a far better understanding of things than most people here.

Self-awareness isn't a strong suit for you is it?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

He already has imo.

Like what?

 

[TC4THREE]

Like what?

You're kidding.

 

[nagemj02]

Your not wrong. I love Purdue, but has seen them choke time and again when it matters most. All that comes back to me was how poorly we exited last years March Madness. Purdue now lives and dies by Swanigan and I do like the player, but the team suffers when he posts up and hogs the f'n ball at the end of the game and can't do shit with it. We'll be another pre-Sweet sixteen early exit if Coach Painter doesn't get his head out of his ass and start coaching this team.
Coach Bo Ryan and now current coach Greg Gard would instlll team ball at all cost.

I think Swanigan does what he is told to do, as well as his teammates. Painter needs to communicate with his players that they have the "green-light" (so-to-speak) to shoot, drive, or just in general make a play if the first option of a play breaks down in a tight, end-of-game situation. Also, the coaches should better anticipate that the opposing coaches KNOW where Purdue is trying to go (i.e. throw it inside to Swanigan) and be ready to counter a double-team or trap that the opposition is likely to employ.

Also, Haas only played 13 minutes. I know that Purdue can often defend better when he's not in the lineup BUT if they would practice a 2-3, 3-2, or something along those lines, I guarantee that Haas could be more effective with Swanigan on that end of the court. Painter would need to show confidence in sticking with it as well.

 

[proudopete]

Didn't we play zone last season for the first few games? It was horrendous and sub 200 teams were torching us.

 

[Walshe]

The blame has to go to CMP. With their center fouled out and we only need one basket, why is Haas on the bench? Why do we run the same play three times to what is not our strength (Biggie in the low post)? Our best offense to get a must-need hoop is PJ, Mathias, Vince, Swanigan, and Haas. Just like Iowa when we only needed one hoop and he had Cline playing instead of Vince. CMP doesn't do situational subs and they suffer. We have only won one close game this year (OSU) and have lost four. Maryland wins all their close games. See the difference!!

 

[BoiledSteel]

The blame has to go to CMP. With their center fouled out and we only need one basket, why is Haas on the bench? Why do we run the same play three times to what is not our strength (Biggie in the low post)? Our best offense to get a must-need hoop is PJ, Mathias, Vince, Swanigan, and Haas. Just like Iowa when we only needed one hoop and he had Cline playing instead of Vince. CMP doesn't do situational subs and they suffer. We have only won one close game this year (OSU) and have lost four. Maryland wins all their close games. See the difference!!

Way to just post some over exaggeration. Haas may of been hurt during the game according to some post-game comments. Basically unless you are on the side on the coaching staff, second guessing things like this is ridiculous. And sure maryland won a lot of close games, but I would rather not be in that position in the first place like has been the case for pretty much the majority of our games.

The sky isn't falling.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

You're kidding.

So we're hanging a 2010 sweet sixteen banner in Mackey?

 

[krazyjvilled]

what I dont get is our defense cant possibly be worse by playing a zone. It cant. We are giving up so many points every road game.

Haas is 7'2 and slow. He can not defend pick and rolls and stay with a man. But if we play a 2-3 zone, he can sit his 7'2 ass with his hands up right under and in front of the basket the entire possession and not move. He can literally just stay there and take a few steps left, few steps right.

How is that not better than having him run all around covering ball screens. Same with Swanigan, he can do the same. This would help a ton with all the dribble penetration.

But nope, not going to happen for some reason

 

[TC4THREE]

So we're hanging a 2010 sweet sixteen banner in Mackey?

Not recognizing conference championships now?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Not recognizing conference championships now?

Sure I recognize it, but it is 1 shared title in 12 years. By comparison, Geno had won 3 conference titles 12 years in. And won 6 in his first 16 years.

CMP is WAY off that pace if we are using the B1G as our measuring stick.

 

[tjreese]

You don't get improving for March? I mean I think it's pretty self explanatory. You can get better from losses if you learn from your mistakes.

I understand what you are saying. Both of you have points. I hate learning from your mistakes though. I would rather the team learn by seeing other team's mistakes and not making them. I generally like Matt, but I would have put a choker collar on Purdue earlier in teh game and reminded them of who they were.

 

[Dryfly88]

I understand what you are saying. Both of you have points. I hate learning from your mistakes though. I would rather the team learn by seeing other team's mistakes and not making them. I generally like Matt, but I would have put a choker collar on Purdue earlier in teh game and reminded them of who they were.

Exactly. I think we've already had enough time to "learn from our mistakes". This idea of "focusing" on March is just another way of minimizing the importance of that loss yesterday.

There is no such thing as "focusing" on March. You play the games to win them and the more wins you get the better your chances of March success. The numbers don't lie. The better your seed the better your chances of advancing in the tournament. I get why TC and a few others say what they do. They get tired of a bunch of people calling for CMP to be fired after every loss and they react by going too far the other way and defending everything he does and trying to minimize each loss and say it happens to every team. The problem is, it doesn't happen to every team as often. Conference champions have 4 losses or fewer. Go back and look since we went to 18 games. I believe there has been 1 with 5 losses. If you are going to have 4 or less losses you simply can't lose 3 to teams that are in the bottom half of the conference. It certainly looks like that will hold true again this year. It is highly unlikely that WI and or MD will lose more than 4 games and they will not have 3 of them against the bottom teams.

I don't want CMP fired, I just want us to be able to critique and be honest with our assessment of him and the team.

 

[TC4THREE]

Sure I recognize it, but it is 1 shared title in 12 years. By comparison, Geno had won 3 conference titles 12 years in. And won 6 in his first 16 years.

CMP is WAY off that pace if we are using the B1G as our measuring stick.

Just so you know. You asked when he would accomplish "something" of significance. If you didn't ask what you wanted to ask, that's on you.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Just so you know. You asked when he would accomplish "something" of significance. If you didn't ask what you wanted to ask, that's on you.

Yes, we all know he has 1 shared conference title in 12 years. By significance, I meant NCAA success, and I should have specified that.

 

[*4purdue*]

Just so you know. You asked when he would accomplish "something" of significance. If you didn't ask what you wanted to ask, that's on you.

We have a 14 team league with unbalanced schedules.... we've won 22 of those already... Nobody gives a rats a$% about conference titles... Do something in March.

 

[Dryfly88]

We have a 14 team league with unbalanced schedules.... we've won 22 of those already... Nobody gives a rats a$% about conference titles... Do something in March.

I care about winning the conference and March success. They are not mutually exclusive, in fact I argue that winning one can influence success in the other (better seed). There is no downside to winning the regular season title.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Exactly. I think we've already had enough time to "learn from our mistakes". This idea of "focusing" on March is just another way of minimizing the importance of that loss yesterday.

There is no such thing as "focusing" on March. You play the games to win them and the more wins you get the better your chances of March success. The numbers don't lie. The better your seed the better your chances of advancing in the tournament. I get why TC and a few others say what they do. They get tired of a bunch of people calling for CMP to be fired after every loss and they react by going too far the other way and defending everything he does and trying to minimize each loss and say it happens to every team. The problem is, it doesn't happen to every team as often. Conference champions have 4 losses or fewer. Go back and look since we went to 18 games. I believe there has been 1 with 5 losses. If you are going to have 4 or less losses you simply can't lose 3 to teams that are in the bottom half of the conference. It certainly looks like that will hold true again this year. It is highly unlikely that WI and or MD will lose more than 4 games and they will not have 3 of them against the bottom teams.

I don't want CMP fired, I just want us to be able to critique and be honest with our assessment of him and the team.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Nobody gives a rats a$% about conference titles.

Most of the posts from the anti-painter crowd support the opposite.

 

[TC4THREE]

We have a 14 team league with unbalanced schedules.... we've won 22 of those already... Nobody gives a rats a$% about conference titles... Do something in March.

You don't speak for everyone little guy.

 

[TC4THREE]

Exactly. I think we've already had enough time to "learn from our mistakes". This idea of "focusing" on March is just another way of minimizing the importance of that loss yesterday.

Really? So teams can't improve after January 15th or something? You are just really stepping into it big time in this thread. Wow.

 

[Dryfly88]

Really? So teams can't improve after January 15th or something? You are just really stepping into it big time in this thread. Wow.

I never said that and you know it TC. That is a straw man you are creating. Not going to write it all out again. TJ and the others in the thread got it.

After your post #10 you really shouldn't be accusing anyone of "stepping into it" in this thread. Self-awareness is something you need to work on.