For years a 15-3 record would usually win the Big...but that was a home and home time or balanced schedule
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Yeah, I think with the unbalanced we could see the number of losses come down a little on average.
Please tell me how else to take "I think we've already had enough time to learn from our mistakes."
To me, that 100% implies that you think we can no longer improve by making mistakes and learning from them.
Could not agree more. Biggie always wants to be the hero at the end of the game, but he ALWAYS chokes - going clear back to last years NCAA Tournament. Matthias was the hot hand against Nebraska and should have been the "go to" guy. Instead, we feed Biggie and we turn it over (3) possessions in a row.
I said that in response to TJ who had said he hated for us to have to learn from our mistakes and instead wished we would learn from others mistakes and not repeat them. I was agreeing with him and adding that the same mistakes are being made and enough time has passed for those to already be cleaned up. You have to read the entire thread for context.
This whole thing started because you said it was a very long shot for us to win the conference before yesterday anyway so we just needed to focus on March. I disputed both those statements. Believe it or not TC reasonable people can disagree. But again, based on your statement in post #10, you wouldn't understand that.
counter to those who are continually down on this year's team for some reason, and gave up on conf play already
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I'm down on seeing the same types of plays (or lack thereof), decisions, and results in losses over and over again, which I attribute to the work of the coaches moreso than the players (although players obviously factor into it and have bad games as well). I'm not down on the players themselves, although the recent news with Smotherman is disappointing (not even going to finish out the season at Purdue, never mind that he still has another season of eligibility remaining).
This seems almost meaningless in terms of the conference race. The number of losses and remaining schedules matter so much more than trivial crap like this. Tell Chris Forman that I'll take Wisconsin and he can have Purdue and Maryland and see how much he is willing to bet.
Massage the data however you want. There is a narrow chance of catching both UW and UM.
At this point I'm good with a double bye in the BTT and having everyone healthy heading into the NCAAT. If the teams ahead of us happen to choke games away, then that's gravy. Our team just needs to find a way to (1) be more consistent defensively (2) close out tight games. If we do that I'm not worried about seeding in the tourney.
I was very optimistic of our chances when we were only 1 game out holding the tie breaker (for #1 seed) and the way we played against MSU. After Sunday, I think our chances are very slim. There just aren't many tough games left for WI. Sundays loss was a huge blow to our chances.
Even an injured Haas is a better option than running the same play a third time after it has failed twice. Obviously no one wants to be in close games but it's going to happen. CMP needs to find a way to win these games.
Yeah, it's called the players do their part and not have mental breakdowns and listen to their coach.
If you care about conf titles and March success than you can't be happy with Painter, right? Because he hasn't accomplished much of either.
I'm not sure what his tweet was really about anyhow. We've played teams with more than those numbers.
Agreed. I'm not going to put a lot of stock in what the SID says about the BT race. He's got to stay positive, but no amount of data changes the fact we are 2 games back of a team that probably won't lose another conference game. The main reason we are two games back is they find a way to pull out games and we don't.
This Purdue team has the best talent in the league IMO (& yes I'll credit CMP for that. I've always said he's a good recruiter). It's the coaching that needs improvement though. This team has been in every game & has the fire power to come back, we've seen that. I almost wish he wouldn't call TO's in a close game like that at the end because we usually run something obvious like we did in the Nebraska game where we tried to have Biggie go 1 on 2 in the post. Like I said, I don't really care about winning the conference. It would be nice, but it's pretty watered down with teams having a schedule advantage like Maryland does this year & IU last year. I would like to see us put ourselves in position to make a run in March. As others have said, this team can probably beat anyone, so seeding may not matter for us... especially when a team like the Zag's are going to get a 1 seed. I'd much rather be in there bracket than UK, Nova, L'Ville or KU. CMP just needs to stop making bad coaching moves & try to win with what our advantage is... having 2 great bigs. The Neb. game is not the exception, it's been the rule. He did it against Minny, MSU & others.
which players in the game do you feel had mental breakdowns and were not listening to coach?
agree
it's not over but our chances became far less
his numbers show we can/have been one of/ the best. we just have to continue playing to that potential and win when it matters most
I think you were asking me.
I am and have been a supporter of Matt. There are many things that I like about him and the way he runs our program. I appreciate the way he conducts himself both on the court during games and with reporters after the game. I like that the players are held to a standard and when they don't they are disciplined including removal from the program. I like that academics are emphasized and taken seriously. I loved Spike's comment a week or so ago about getting back late from a road trip and having an early morning class, and saying "you better be there because someone will know it". These are all things that as an alumni and JPC member I appreciate.
Yes, I have been very disappointed with our lack of conference titles and our performance in the NCAA tournament. I was also disappointed in our recruiting for several cycles and we paid a price for that. I am encouraged by Carsen and what I've seen of the recruits coming next year particularly Eastern. I am waiting to see how we do this year and next. If I don't see results in those 2 seasons then I will be ready for a coaching change.
After I read this back to myself before posting, it hit me that maybe that's why I get so frustrated on here. I don't dislike Matt and yet I don't blindly defend him either. Both extremes drive me crazy and that is a lot of what we get on this board.
I don't agree with this. I think we have the best spot up shooters and the passers and THE best rebounder in the league. But best talent overall, I would say no.
At the midway point in conference, we are a GREAT shooting and passing team as shown by these stats (BIG games only):
Scoring offense - 1st (MD is 2nd)
Free throw percentage - 1st
Field goal percentage - 1st
Three point field goal percentage - 2nd
Rebounding margin - 1st
Assists - 1st
However, when you look at defense and other stats...
Scoring defense - 7th (Wisky, NW, and MD are top 3, even PSU and Rutgers are better)
Three point defense - 7th
Steals - last
Turnover margin - last
Blocked shots - last
I'm not saying defense wins championships, but the three teams ahead of us are the top 3 defensive teams in the league.
Mr. Forman,
I will gladly feast on my crow. Prepare it however you'd like!
I will gladly feast on my crow. Prepare it however you'd like!
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