Tucker Carlson gone from Faux News and Don Lemon gone from CNN

[bonefish1]

Perhaps it’s a matter of semantics. Owens says blacks are responsible for slavery. I assume she is talking about the Africans that sold their prisoners of war to the Europeans and Americans. Fine, but she says nothing about the Europeans and Americans that bought, traded and enslaved the Africans for 246 years in the US legally. Not to mention the Caribbean and Latin America.

As far as the Native Americans, you keep saying Europeans, since we talking about here in the US, those are Americans that took their land and killed them.

Speaking of the Native Americans, there should not be one Native American that has a blog or YouTube channel and justify what white people did to them.

There should not be one Japanese American that has a blog or YouTube channel and justify what white people did to them by putting entire Japanese families into internment camps during WW2.

As a self proclaimed history buff, I'm kind of surprised at your lack of understanding of our country prior to 1776.

Also, don't forget that that large percentage of the free black population in the 1600-1800 were slave owners.

As far as whites taking the lands of the NA? Man....that's just how war has always worked since the beginning of time. To the victor goes the spoils.
The indian tribes did the same to eachother in terms of fighting for land and expansion, but when the Europeans landed on North American land, they were superior in military, weaponry, etc. and the battle for territory meant the winners got to keep the land.

 

[BNIBoiler]

You think the definition of racism is saying something derogatory towards someone? I think you need to look up the definition of racism because you're clearly confused on the meaning.

You better believe saying something derogatory is racist. Dude, people have lost jobs over it. Remember Don Imus.

 

[bonefish1]

Democrats have confused their dumb base on what real racism is. That’s the goal, keep them dumb and confused and reliant on the party. See BNIBoiler and his posts for an example of this.

What the dems are really good at is selling victimhood. BNI has bought into the message 100%.

 

[bonefish1]

You better believe saying something derogatory is racist. Dude, people have lost jobs over it. Remember Don Imus.

So, if you called someone a white ass cracker, does that make you a racist?

 

[Riveting-]

Perhaps it’s a matter of semantics. Owens says blacks are responsible for slavery.

I can't find via google where Owens says that. That makes me suspect (based on your previous posts) that you are once more repeating something you heard or read without checking it yourself. Give me link if there is one.

 

[BNIBoiler]

As a self proclaimed history buff, I'm kind of surprised at your lack of understanding of our country prior to 1776.

Also, don't forget that that large percentage of the free black population in the 1600-1800 were slave owners.

As far as whites taking the lands of the NA? Man....that's just how war has always worked since the beginning of time. To the victor goes the spoils.
The indian tribes did the same to eachother in terms of fighting for land and expansion, but when the Europeans landed on North American land, they were superior in military, weaponry, etc. and the battle for territory meant the winners got to keep the land.

So what am I misunderstanding about the US prior to 1776. This coming from someone that doesn’t know anything about history.

As far as a large percentage of free black Americans owning slaves. You know you pull that one out of your but don’t you. We were here good discussions until you deliberately lie like this. Come on man. Yes, some free blacks owned slaves. To say that a large percentage did is quite a stretch. Some blacks owned slaves in the traditional way. Other free blacks purchased their family members and was able to free them. Some Native Americans owned black slaves also.

 

[BNIBoiler]

So, if you called someone a white ass cracker, does that make you a racist?

Yep.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Rachel Maddow is a complete and utter idiot. And she would still be an idiot even if she weren't a liberal female lesbian.
See, I can do that to!

Easy peasy! Any group can have idiots.

 

[Riveting-]

Yep.

Hiding again, cowardfauxgrad?

 

[BoilerJS]

The Boneman must have recently learned about the Africans selling captured Africans to the European slave traders. Then, now he and others, I've heard this argument for decades, can now use that tidbit to somehow justify and downplay America's involvement in slavery. Just like other civilizations, Romans, Greeks, Jewish, Philistines, Egyptians, etc. battled each other and captured the enemy. The enemy is now prisoners of war. The Romans turned some of their prisoners of war, along with slaves into Gladiators. Others killed their captors. Others like the African tribesmen sold their captors or prisoners of war to the European and American slave traders. The African tribal victors never hitched a ride on the slave ships and twisted the arms of the Americans in the colonies to own slaves.

If downplaying America's involvement in slavery isn't enough, now the right wingers are banning books related to black history or other black topics such as books on Rosa Parks, MLK, Color Purple, Beloved, and To Kill a Mockingbird. Basically, any books that make white people look bad. Once they label it CRT, they can now justify banning it.

Were the African Tribesmen that sold their slaves to white slave traders black?
Without these slave trading African Tribesmen there would have been no black slaves in the New World.
Maybe Native American Slave owning Tribesmen would have traded their captured slaves to the Colonists instead.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Were the African Tribesmen that sold their slaves to white slave traders black?
Without these slave trading African Tribesmen there would have been no black slaves in the New World.
Maybe Native American Slave owning Tribesmen would have traded their captured slaves to the Colonists instead.

I said that they were African tribesmen, so yeah they were black. Perhaps if the Europeans and the Americans did not send slave ships to go buy and load the captives there would not be slaves to the New World. Slavery was here in America, We live in America. It is disingenuous to deflect to Africa when discussing slavery here in America for 246 years no doubt. The US I believe banned the slave trade in the early 1800s where no new slaves would be imported. However, the US did not ban slavery until the 13th Amendment after the Civil War.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

It is astonishing that there is now a thread in which multiple American citizens are proponents of the position that black people were responsible for the systemic enslavement of black people in the United States of America.

It is the kind of revisionist racist filth that would be expected in a Neo-Nazi/white supremacist chat room. Instead, there are multiple people taking that position on a Purdue University sports board. In 2023.

My God; is there no shame or human decency among those that are typing these things?

 

[Riveting-]

I can't find via google where Owens says that. That makes me suspect (based on your previous posts) that you are once more repeating something you heard or read without checking it yourself. Give me link if there is one.

Bump. Back up your claim or admit you were lying or ignorant - or both, @BNIBoiler

 

[Riveting-]

How are you able to get up the courage to provide all these examples, yet still too cowardly to answer my prior multi-bumped reply to you that you are hiding from?

I don't see any comment in your list above that perpetuates white supremacy - but rather than refute all of them, even assuming they are accurate, pick out the single most egregious example from each so we can examine it.

Also bump, @BNIBoiler

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Bump. Back up your claim or admit you were lying or ignorant - or both, @BNIBoiler

That seems like a reasonable ask by @Riveting- .

Hey @Riveting- , can we agree (for once) that if she said that it would be incredibly odious, and if she did not BNI owes an apology and Owens a revision?

 

[Riveting-]

That seems like a reasonable ask by @Riveting- .

Hey @Riveting- , can we agree (for once) that if she said that it would be incredibly odious, and if she did not BNI owes an apology and Owens a revision?

No, because we would need to see the full paragraph she was stating.

 

[bonefish1]

Yep.

If you say someone promotes white supremacy (again, I'm not even sure what that means but it's probably something say on MSNBC), does that make that person a racist?
Didn't you recently say that 90% of Republicans are racist? You still stand behind that?

 

[bonefish1]

So what am I misunderstanding about the US prior to 1776. This coming from someone that doesn’t know anything about history.

As far as a large percentage of free black Americans owning slaves. You know you pull that one out of your but don’t you. We were here good discussions until you deliberately lie like this. Come on man. Yes, some free blacks owned slaves. To say that a large percentage did is quite a stretch. Some blacks owned slaves in the traditional way. Other free blacks purchased their family members and was able to free them. Some Native Americans owned black slaves also.

You ready for your history lesson for today?
I know you don't like or refuse to believe certain facts and statistics because they don't fit your narrative, but he's another instance where I'll have to use some facts to educate you.

Are you familiar with the publication The Root? See below.

Did Black People Own Slaves?

For those who are wondering about the retro title of this black history series, please take a moment to learn about historian Joel A. Rogers

www.theroot.com

 

[bonefish1]

I said that they were African tribesmen, so yeah they were black. Perhaps if the Europeans and the Americans did not send slave ships to go buy and load the captives there would not be slaves to the New World. Slavery was here in America, We live in America. It is disingenuous to deflect to Africa when discussing slavery here in America for 246 years no doubt. The US I believe banned the slave trade in the early 1800s where no new slaves would be imported. However, the US did not ban slavery until the 13th Amendment after the Civil War.

So, let's compare this to the drug trade:
You have the drug users (slave buyers) the drug (slaves), the drug dealer (European slave traders) and the drug kingpin/supplier (black African tribal leaders selling captives).
Who's the worst part of the chain?

 

[bonefish1]

It is astonishing that there is now a thread in which multiple American citizens are proponents of the position that black people were responsible for the systemic enslavement of black people in the United States of America.

It is the kind of revisionist racist filth that would be expected in a Neo-Nazi/white supremacist chat room. Instead, there are multiple people taking that position on a Purdue University sports board. In 2023.

My God; is there no shame or human decency among those that are typing these things?

You also appear to be in need of some education.
Read this.

Did Black People Own Slaves?

For those who are wondering about the retro title of this black history series, please take a moment to learn about historian Joel A. Rogers

www.theroot.com

 

[BNIBoiler]

If you say someone promotes white supremacy (again, I'm not even sure what that means but it's probably something say on MSNBC), does that make that person a racist?
Didn't you recently say that 90% of Republicans are racist? You still stand behind that?

Dude, white supremacy is the epitome of racism. That’s how we have concept of the so-called 3 races, caucasoid, negroid, and mongoloid in the first place. The concept the different races was a construct developed by racist scientists 3 or 4 centuries ago. They measured the skulls of blacks and whites. Then determined that since the black skulls were smaller that they were less intelligent. Modern anthropologists do not subscribe to the different race construct. To them there are such thing as different races. Just different ethnicities and cultures.

Yeah I do stand by statement that 90% are racist. Conversely, prior to the late 1960s 90% of the democrats, particularly in the south were racist.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

You also appear to be in need of some education.
Read this.

Did Black People Own Slaves?

For those who are wondering about the retro title of this black history series, please take a moment to learn about historian Joel A. Rogers

www.theroot.com

Okay, Mr. "you need education." It's an interesting article. A quote from it with statistical citations for 1830:

"Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people."

The point is not that anyone or any group is absolved. It is that the American slave trade and systemic racism that followed and lingers to this day was almost entirely structured, organized, and operated by white Americans. This is so incredibly elementary I cannot believe it has to be stated. Anyone that is claiming otherwise is trumpeting an outlier piece of data to support a completely erroneous, red herring, outlandish conclusion.

Here is YOUR education. It's a chart of the number of free blacks versus enslaved blacks leading up to the Emancipation Proclamation. The numbers are truly astounding, tragic, and horrible:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1010169/black-and-slave-population-us-1790-1880/

For instance, in 1860, there were over 3,953,000 black slaves in the United states, and 488,000 free blacks. The number of black slaves in the US had nearly doubled since 1830. And the "free" blacks in the South almost universally were barred from voting, owning land, or testifying in court.

 

[BNIBoiler]

You ready for your history lesson for today?
I know you don't like or refuse to believe certain facts and statistics because they don't fit your narrative, but he's another instance where I'll have to use some facts to educate you.

Are you familiar with the publication The Root? See below.

Did Black People Own Slaves?

For those who are wondering about the retro title of this black history series, please take a moment to learn about historian Joel A. Rogers

www.theroot.com

Dude, I never disputed that free blacks did not own slaves. I’ve said this many times. I just disputed what you said that a large percentage of blacks owned slaves. The bottom line that it doesn’t matter if it was a small or large percentage of blacks owning slaves. Again it’s just another attempt to lessen the culpability whites in the US had in slavery in the US.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Okay, Mr. "you need education." It's an interesting article. A quote from it with statistical citations for 1830:

"Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people."

The point is not that anyone or any group is absolved. It is that the American slave trade and systemic racism that followed and lingers to this day was almost entirely structured, organized, and operated by white Americans. This is so incredibly elementary I cannot believe it has to be stated. Anyone that is claiming otherwise is trumpeting an outlier piece of data to support a completely erroneous, red herring, outlandish conclusion.

Here is YOUR education. It's a chart of the number of free blacks versus enslaved blacks leading up to the Emancipation Proclamation. The numbers are truly astounding, tragic, and horrible:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1010169/black-and-slave-population-us-1790-1880/

For instance, in 1860, there were over 3,953,000 black slaves in the United states, and 488,000 free blacks. The number of black slaves in the US had nearly doubled since 1830. And the "free" blacks in the South almost universally were barred from voting, owning land, or testifying in court.

I’m telling you, they will use every method to lessen the role white people had in slavery in the US. Another talking point that will say in this argument is that the US did not invent slavery. It’s been around since the beginning. Well, no stuff. I’ve heard it all as I’ve discussing topics or seen these topics being discussed for over 30 years.

 

[bonefish1]

Dude, I never disputed that free blacks did not own slaves. I’ve said this many times. I just disputed what you said that a large percentage of blacks owned slaves. The bottom line that it doesn’t matter if it was a small or large percentage of blacks owning slaves. Again it’s just another attempt to lessen the culpability whites in the US had in slavery in the US.

I'm not lessening the culpability of anyone for anything. Slavery was a horrible party of a country's history. But....I wasn't just the white part participating as is often what is insinuated and taught. Plenty of blacks participated in the atrocity as well.

 

[bonefish1]

Okay, Mr. "you need education." It's an interesting article. A quote from it with statistical citations for 1830:

"Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people."

The point is not that anyone or any group is absolved. It is that the American slave trade and systemic racism that followed and lingers to this day was almost entirely structured, organized, and operated by white Americans. This is so incredibly elementary I cannot believe it has to be stated. Anyone that is claiming otherwise is trumpeting an outlier piece of data to support a completely erroneous, red herring, outlandish conclusion.

Here is YOUR education. It's a chart of the number of free blacks versus enslaved blacks leading up to the Emancipation Proclamation. The numbers are truly astounding, tragic, and horrible:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1010169/black-and-slave-population-us-1790-1880/

For instance, in 1860, there were over 3,953,000 black slaves in the United states, and 488,000 free blacks. The number of black slaves in the US had nearly doubled since 1830. And the "free" blacks in the South almost universally were barred from voting, owning land, or testifying in court.

Okay, Mr. "you need education." It's an interesting article. A quote from it with statistical citations for 1830:

"Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people."

The point is not that anyone or any group is absolved. It is that the American slave trade and systemic racism that followed and lingers to this day was almost entirely structured, organized, and operated by white Americans. This is so incredibly elementary I cannot believe it has to be stated. Anyone that is claiming otherwise is trumpeting an outlier piece of data to support a completely erroneous, red herring, outlandish conclusion.

Here is YOUR education. It's a chart of the number of free blacks versus enslaved blacks leading up to the Emancipation Proclamation. The numbers are truly astounding, tragic, and horrible:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1010169/black-and-slave-population-us-1790-1880/

For instance, in 1860, there were over 3,953,000 black slaves in the United states, and 488,000 free blacks. The number of black slaves in the US had nearly doubled since 1830. And the "free" blacks in the South almost universally were barred from voting, owning land, or testifying in court.

I don't believe in systemic racism. So that argument doesn't hold water with me.

 

[bonefish1]

I’m telling you, they will use every method to lessen the role white people had in slavery in the US. Another talking point that will say in this argument is that the US did not invent slavery. It’s been around since the beginning. Well, no stuff. I’ve heard it all as I’ve discussing topics or seen these topics being discussed for over 30 years.

Slavery wasn't a white person problem, it was a humanity problem. All races and most cultures are guilty of it as some point in history.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

I'm not lessening the culpability of anyone for anything. Slavery was a horrible party of a country's history. But....I wasn't just the white part participating as is often what is insinuated and taught. Plenty of blacks participated in the atrocity as well.

You're still parsing your words.

• "Slavery was a horrible part of a country's history." AMERICAN history.
• "I(t) wasn't just the white part participating as is often what is insinuated and taught." "Insinuated and taught?" That's because for the extraordinarily, overwhelming majority of cases that is true. It's almost like saying that tobacco cigarettes are dangerous, but no one talks about verified deaths from candy gum cigarettes, which are a choking hazard.
• "Plenty of blacks participated in the atrocity as well." The overwhelming majority of blacks that "participated" in slavery in America did so as SLAVES.

 

[BNIBoiler]

Slavery wasn't a white person problem, it was a humanity problem. All races and most cultures are guilty of it as some point in history.

Yeah, before he said it was a large percentage. Now it’s plenty. Did you see his last post. Right on queue, he mentions that slavery is a humanity problem by all races and cultures. I knew it was coming. I told y’all I’ve seen this movie before:

 

[BNIBoiler]

Slavery wasn't a white person problem, it was a humanity problem. All races and most cultures are guilty of it as some point in history.

Slavery was a white person’s problem here in the US where we all reside.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

Yeah, before he said it was a large percentage. Now it’s plenty. Did you see his last post. Right on queue, he mentions that slavery is a humanity problem by all races and cultures. I knew it was coming. I told y’all I’ve seen this movie before:

If your relative or friend got murdered, would you say "let's not focus on the person that murdered this time; because murder is bad but it's a "Humanity problem."

 

[bonefish1]

You're still parsing your words.

• "Slavery was a horrible part of a country's history." AMERICAN history.
• "I(t) wasn't just the white part participating as is often what is insinuated and taught." "Insinuated and taught?" That's because for the extraordinarily, overwhelming majority of cases that is true. It's almost like saying that tobacco cigarettes are dangerous, but no one talks about verified deaths from candy gum cigarettes, which are a choking hazard.
• "Plenty of blacks participated in the atrocity as well." The overwhelming majority of blacks that "participated" in slavery in America did so as SLAVES.

You didn't read the article from The Root did you?

And no... it's not just American history.
Do you realize that there are countries/cultures that still enslave people today?

I bet you're the type of guild ridden white person who refuses to believe that black Africans were sold into slavery by other black Africans.

 

[bonefish1]

Slavery was a white person’s problem here in the US where we all reside.

Except for the black slave owners.....

 

[HoosierfanJM]

You didn't read the article from The Root did you?

Yes, I did.

And no... it's not just American history.

True

Do you realize that there are countries/cultures that still enslave people today?

Yes. I do.

I bet you're the type of guild ridden white person who refuses to believe that black Africans were sold into slavery by other black Africans.

No, I'm not.

I'm also not the type of revisionist history, argumentative person who tries to apply whattaboutism to millions and millions and millions of American black slaves owned by white Americans by equating it to the extraordinarily lesser components of that situation.

IT's OKAY to admit that America is a great country and has in total made the world an extraordinarily better place, and yet still admit that there have been terrible things that occurred along the way.

 

[bonefish1]

If your relative or friend got murdered, would you say "let's not focus on the person that murdered this time; because murder is bad but it's a "Humanity problem."

That's not a very well formed argument.

Here's a better one:
BNI says that police need to stop killing unarmed black people because it's a major problem for the black community and blacks are being targeted by police. Unfortunately, statistics prove that more unarmed white people are killed by police than blacks.
But, just ask BNI if he believes that statistic.

 

[bonefish1]

Yes, I did.

True

Yes. I do.

No, I'm not.

I'm also not the type of revisionist history, argumentative person who tries to apply whattaboutism to millions and millions and millions of American black slaves owned by white Americans by equating it to the extraordinarily lesser components of that situation.

IT's OKAY to admit that America is a great country and has in total made the world an extraordinarily better place, and yet still admit that there have been terrible things that occurred along the way.

I agree with your last sentence 100%. The US is the greatest country in the history of mankind, and yeh, some bad $hit has happened in our country along the way. But...that bad $hit was not only caused by white people.
For example, I find it pretty extraordinary and sad, that the leading cause of death for black men ages 15-35 is......murder...at the hands of other black men. To me, that falls in your 'terrible things' category.

 

[HoosierfanJM]

I agree with your last sentence 100%. The US is the greatest country in the history of mankind, and yeh, some bad $hit has happened in our country along the way. But...that bad $hit was not only caused by white people.
For example, I find it pretty extraordinary and sad, that the leading cause of death for black men ages 15-35 is......murder...at the hands of other black men. To me, that falls in your 'terrible things' category.

So there!

And the atrocity of slavery in the United States was inflicted upon the black population of the United States, and was overwhelmingly originated, propagated, profited on, and fought for by the southern white population.

There too ... riiiiight?

 

[BNIBoiler]

You didn't read the article from The Root did you?

And no... it's not just American history.
Do you realize that there are countries/cultures that still enslave people today?

I bet you're the type of guild ridden white person who refuses to believe that black Africans were sold into slavery by other black Africans.

I live in the US. My focus is what goes on here. If I move elsewhere I’ll care about what goes on there.

Why do you keep saying that I don’t believe you? Dude, don’t you read my posts. I’ve known for years that the Africans sold there prisoners of war the the slave traders. I told you about a Hollywood movie that came out last year called “The Woman King” about an African tribe with woman warriors. Selling their captive enemies to the slave traders was depicted.

 

[bonefish1]

I live in the US. My focus is what goes on here. If I move elsewhere I’ll care about what goes on there.

Why do you keep saying that I don’t believe you? Dude, don’t you read my posts. I’ve known for years that the Africans sold there prisoners of war the the slave traders. I told you about a Hollywood movie that came out last year called “The Woman King” about an African tribe with woman warriors. Selling their captive enemies to the slave traders was depicted.

No. You said you don't believe the statistic that more unarmed whites are killed by the cops than unarmed blacks.

 

[BNIBoiler]

No. You said you don't believe the statistic that more unarmed whites are killed by the cops than unarmed blacks.

Heck no I don't believe in those stats. They are so wrong. Of course, there are unarmed whites getting killed by police. But nowhere did the numbers of unarmed blacks. Perhaps you are conflating the stats of all police killings where I believe that more whites are killed by police due to all circumstances. I am focused on unarmed police killings. If the stat were true, with today's cell phone video capability, where are all the videos of unarmed whites getting killed by police? If the stats are true, does that mean white people don't care about the unarmed white people that being killed?