Well he actually did reverse the once mostly secure southern boarder. Grrrrrrrrrr!
Trump being tough on Putin
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Why would I give credit to the US president for the fact that no wars were started by other countries on other continents?
That is absurd, and is what other countries mock about the United States - this idea that literally everything in the world happens because of the US.
By this rationale, do I now get to blame Trump for starting a global pandemic?
WHY don't you think this war would not have started under Trump? Why?
"Because Trump" is not an answer. Why?
Correlation, not causation. Again, go back and look at the timing of what Ukraine was doing during those periods vs. what Ukraine did for the majority of Trump's presidency.
Again - I'll keep telling you guys this - the world does not rotate around the United States and who its president is.
And again - WHY do you think Putin would not invade Ukraine under Trump? What would Trump have done differently that would've stopped this?
Not a single one of you has an answer to that question because you know you're just full of partisan blustering bullshit.
The other stuff is just distraction from the fact that you cannot answer the question. You guys are getting pissy because you know Trump wouldn't have been able to back up anything he might've said or tweeted to Putin.
There are plenty - plenty - of legitimate complaints about Biden. There are plenty of threads for you to discuss those in, too.
Until you have a legit answer to the question or care to further the discussion on WHY you think Putin would've magically acted differently because of something Trump did or said, anything else you "contribute" here is meaningless.
Your logic is flawed. You’re demanding an answer for something that never happened under Trump and believe it was only a matter of time until it did. As a result, Trump got lucky and Biden got unlucky. Sorta like blaming Purdue’s bad performance in the NCAA’s on bad refs, poor draws, injuries etc. These are nothing but deflections and excuses. Now back to my original question: name something Biden has done you are proud of? I know it isn’t his energy policy due to the impact it’s had on your business.
How about you tell the whole story huh?Turns out Trump was tougher on Putin than Biden:
Flashback: President Trump Told Putin He’d Bomb Moscow if Russia Invaded Ukraine
Your source for the latest news at home and abroaddcweekly.org
The U.S. will provide $200 million in military aid to Ukraine amid crisis
"We are committed to Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and will continue to provide Ukraine the support it needs," a senior State Department official said.
www.npr.org
"As U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken visits Ukraine, the Biden administration said Wednesday it's providing an additional $200 million in defensive military aid to the country amid soaring fears of a Russian invasion."
US small arms and ammo arrive in Ukraine as Pentagon details troops to train country's military | CNN Politics
Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, but a final delivery containing four counter mortar radars is still scheduled for...
"Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs"
How the Ukraine invasion connects to Trump's first impeachment — and where the players are now
The former president is sounding off about Russia's attacks barely two years after he faced charges of abusing his power by withholding aid for Kyiv.
www.politico.com
"Then-President Trump’s treatment of Ukraine alarmed some of his own top advisers at the time, particularly when coupled with his relatively warm praise of Putin — which continues today. At the time, Zelenskyy had desperately sought and asked Trump for a White House meeting, an effort to bolster his mandate to confront Russia. The meeting never came."
What does tomahawks fired into Syria have to do with anything? He also abandoned our Kurdish allies for no reason.......other than to please Erdogan.
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Your speculation that it would have started under trump is no more credible or provable than those that say it wouldn’t have.
The only thing we know for certain is that it happened under Biden’s watch, not trumps. We can all have our opinion as to why that is.
Still trying to use the first impeachment hoax huh? That’s really outdated, even for you Bob.How about you tell the whole story huh?
The U.S. will provide $200 million in military aid to Ukraine amid crisis
"We are committed to Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and will continue to provide Ukraine the support it needs," a senior State Department official said.
"As U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken visits Ukraine, the Biden administration said Wednesday it's providing an additional $200 million in defensive military aid to the country amid soaring fears of a Russian invasion."
US small arms and ammo arrive in Ukraine as Pentagon details troops to train country's military | CNN Politics
Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, but a final delivery containing four counter mortar radars is still scheduled for...www.cnn.com
"Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs"
How the Ukraine invasion connects to Trump's first impeachment — and where the players are now
The former president is sounding off about Russia's attacks barely two years after he faced charges of abusing his power by withholding aid for Kyiv.
"Then-President Trump’s treatment of Ukraine alarmed some of his own top advisers at the time, particularly when coupled with his relatively warm praise of Putin — which continues today. At the time, Zelenskyy had desperately sought and asked Trump for a White House meeting, an effort to bolster his mandate to confront Russia. The meeting never came."
What does tomahawks fired into Syria have to do with anything? He also abandoned our Kurdish allies for no reason.......other than to please Erdogan.
You do realize that the Biden’s have been tied to all kinds of dirty money in Ukraine don’t you?
I am demanding that people - like you - who are panning Biden for his handling of this situation explain themselves. None of you can. It's pretty simple, really. That it didn't happen under Trump pretty obviously does not mean that it wouldn't or couldn't happen under Trump. That's where your logic isn't just flawed: It is ignorant; It is ill-informed; it is lazy.
Trump would be doing nothing different. The rhetoric would probably be stronger and almost certainly on Twitter, but we'd still be here with sanctions and angry words.
There would be no troops in Ukraine.
There would be no threat of nuclear war.
There would be no bombing of Moscow.
You know it. I know it. I'm just wondering if any of you will actually own up to that.
Apparently you won't, and it's not wholly unsurprising from this group.
I have not panned Brandon for this particular situation, although I will not be surprised if he finds a way to insert his signature and vast incompetence somehow.
Will you?
You are demanding an answer to a hypothetical. In a court of law this isn’t allowed. To humor you I’ll answer again for the last time. Putin started his push by taking over Crimea under the Obama/Biden but didn’t invade any other country while Trump was in office. Now shortly after Biden has been in office, he invades Ukraine. All your assertions on what Trump would or wouldn’t do are predictions that never happened. Trump was unpredictable and wasn’t afraid which he used to his advantage.
With friends like these who needs enemies:
https://www.newsweek.com/us-militar...airstrikes-pompeo-says-trump-considers-883947
https://www.dw.com/en/trump-to-send-more-troops-to-poland/a-49166992
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
Now the difficult thing for you is to circle the square on how somebody that you called Putin's buddy directly killed more Russian soldiers than any other President in my lifetime and took every opportunity to destroy his European energy market. I mean would your "buddy" go through such lengths to take bread of your table - that bread being NS2.
Now this one gets deeper in the weeds and away from the MSNBC/CNN narrative but the Trump administration went to pretty deep and successful lengths to broker peace and normalize relations in the Mideast. Remind me again how many agreements were signed? Does that stabilization hurt or help Putin?
#IndependentThought
Really? How many times did Assad use gas after the previous administration fire some Tomahawks into Syria and kill 200 Russians? Is that causation or correlation?
You are a pretty smart guy. Why are you fixated on "Trump" or "The President"? This isn't about one guy it's about an Administration. We know the current administration said the two biggest threats to America's security were white supremacy and global warming and have no problem getting rid of elite forces because they won't take the vax. So while we have the international crises we are doing everything to destroy Navy Seals (amongst others). https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...ailors-seeking-vaccine-exemption-lawyers-say/
IMHO I think the last administration may have been focused on other issues.
While you doing all this research did you come across anything about Bosnia being in Europe and the thousands that died in that "not a war"? I know you cut-and-pasted that 70 years from some talking points but its pretty embarrassing that you missed this.How about you tell the whole story huh?
The U.S. will provide $200 million in military aid to Ukraine amid crisis
"We are committed to Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and will continue to provide Ukraine the support it needs," a senior State Department official said.
"As U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken visits Ukraine, the Biden administration said Wednesday it's providing an additional $200 million in defensive military aid to the country amid soaring fears of a Russian invasion."
US small arms and ammo arrive in Ukraine as Pentagon details troops to train country's military | CNN Politics
Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, but a final delivery containing four counter mortar radars is still scheduled for...
"Part of a $60 million security assistance package, including small arms and ammunition, was delivered to Ukraine on Thursday, according to a State Department official in the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs"
How the Ukraine invasion connects to Trump's first impeachment — and where the players are now
The former president is sounding off about Russia's attacks barely two years after he faced charges of abusing his power by withholding aid for Kyiv.
"Then-President Trump’s treatment of Ukraine alarmed some of his own top advisers at the time, particularly when coupled with his relatively warm praise of Putin — which continues today. At the time, Zelenskyy had desperately sought and asked Trump for a White House meeting, an effort to bolster his mandate to confront Russia. The meeting never came."
What does tomahawks fired into Syria have to do with anything? He also abandoned our Kurdish allies for no reason.......other than to please Erdogan.
Maybe this trailer will help: Behind Enemy Lines
The takes of the Trump haters and the saber-rattlers posting here is jaw-dropping in its stupidity.
For the Trump haters, your position is indefensible. Trump is not president. Take your weak-ass sauce and go home.
For the saber-rattlers, put your dicks away and try to focus on the long-term history, not the past 5-10 years but the past couple centuries. The thought of sending American soldiers into Ukraine is far beyond what any reasonable person would do. The fact is our military is in NO position to do that. We're no longer strong enough to impose our will militarily. Has the past couple decades not taught us anything? Do you really want to sacrifice tens of thousands of American soldiers lives fighting for Ukraine? Do you really think our current military leadership is willing to go Medieval now? Russia is willing to do so.
This invasion was inevitable. Ukraine was functioning as an American client state which is unacceptable for Russia's long-term interests.
Lastly, how about a little compassion and concern for the Ukrainian people suffering through this?
Putin's PUSH is not finished. He will continue until someone steps up....a European leader not Slow Joe.
You know Bob, you for once are correct. I enjoy being young at heart, going to Deal's Gap on the Ducati or in the Vette. I enjoy coaching young players, being around them....their energy keeps me young, and not some old broken down Curmudgeon moaning because the politicians I support cost me my business. Go out Bob...play in the snow with your neighbor kids. Toss a football, or baseball with them. And stay away from CNN and MSNBC. Watching them all day creates mind rot.
Well, it's knocking on the door of $5 plus in California. I think you'll see it before November.
Some of the stories coming out of Ukraine of citizens taking up arms are inspiring. The Snake Island story is pretty cool. Speaks to the sentiment of the Ukrainian people, and how idiotic Putin must be if he truly thinks the Ukrainian people want to be aligned with Russia.
I hope you are right, but your use of 'reasonable person' clearly does not apply to Brandon and his incompetent handlers.
Would a reasonable person open the southern border during a pandemic, close the Bagram airbase and withdraw our troops before our people and allies were out of Afg, and so on??
Yep, I was wrong about that............NATO was designed to stop Russia/USSR.........and that has worked, hasn't it?
You do know that NATO airpower intervened in that conflict against the Serb aggressors right?
So you agree that the post was BS considering we did send the military aid to Ukraine?
First of all, end the climate change nonsense. The lunatic energy policy that this administration and the world is using has only made Putin stronger with higher oil prices. Open up oil exploration again and make us an exporter again and get countries like Germany off of Russian oil.
2nd, remove Putin from Swift banking system.
These would be an excellent start.
My understanding is that Germany has a lot of control on getting Putin out of the Swift banking system, and they are tied to Putin due to idiotic climate change policy from Europe and Biden.
It looks like Germany, Italy, and Hungary have all assented to putting Russia out of SWIFT.
@gr8indoorsman I think that the reasons why Putin invaded under Obama and now under Biden has less to do with the person in office and more to do with oil. Now, Biden and Obama played a roll in that, but oil prices were highest under those two and this gave Putin funding for his wars.
JESUS FVCKING C DUDE!!! Find me full videos that aren't cut up and cropped to remove context where he is siding with Russia, then maybe you have something. This type of editing should only fool morons.
Go look for them yourself before asking wtf is anybody talking about with Tucker and the other trump republicans and their comments about Russia. It's been in the news since the war started......for tucker even before that. I guess you're not interested in seeing it. Those clips are accurate, he does whole segments on the topic. Calling it editing is just an excuse. You think the video is edited......or somehow means something different when you watch the entire segment? Those clips are about as clear as you can get....... there's no cloaked context in what he said.
Silly boy, Those afflicted with TDS now believe Trump supports Russia instead of USA since their Russian collusion hoax was debunked. Again name one thing Biden has done well?
Here's a clip from AFPAC........which, before you ask who they are and act clueless about their mission, means America First Political Action Committee. The farthest right of the far right This is Nick Fuentes. You know him? After this Marjorie Taylor Greene got up and spoke. You know her?
"Can we get a round of applause for Russia?"......maybe from the young white men.
I don't watch Tucker all the time, but I've seen him enough to know that he does a lot of rhetorical questions before answering the obvious answer. ALL of those clips were essentially that. I don't need to go look for them because I know for a fact that he would never side with Russia. Idiots that do not know Tucker at all would fall for this crap.
I have no idea who Nick Fuentes is. I don't know who Marjorie Taylor Greene is either. I don't care to because this guy sounds like a moron. Don't know why you think I would give a F what some far right moron thinks. How is this relevant in any way whatsoever?
He is trying to say they’re pro Russian instead of pro American. What is ludicrous is what has Biden and the Liberals done that is pro American? Domestic energy? Nope. Border security? Nope. Pro police? Nope. Pro property rights? Nope. Support Ukraine with weapons when they were first asking? Nope. But they have supported boys who think they are girls and put a token up for the Supreme Court and green energy
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