Jones is a gamer. Tyrone Tracy (the self-proclaimed Swiss Army Knife) is who we thought he was. You’ll have better luck recruiting WRs if you stay the course with Brohm, but you’ll have better results if he focuses more on improving both lines.
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The DL is fine. LB play with cement shoes and DB have collective IQ of 10.
I agree AOC locked in on Jones alot but the OL protection for him wasn't great forcing him to hurry the bar.
EddlemanWe will know more next spring......
I could see CJ as a value pick 5th-7th rounder. Very good hands and route runner, decent enough straight-on speed and good awareness....hard to predict NFL GM's these days. I could certainly see him go undrafted as well. JMHO
Regardless, I've enjoyed seeing him play for Purdue this year.....don't think he would have had this kind of exposure if he remained with the Hawkeyes. It also would have been interesting to see him with Bell last year....oh well.
Jones is like Stubblefield, Standeford or Dorien Bryant. His stats way over state his ability. He is O'connell's first, second and third read on every play. He has a hard time beating man to man coverage and creating separation. Its not surprising that he gets a 100+ yardage in a game when he is targeted 20+ times. Even the announcers where dismissing his impact on the game. He may be the best we have but.....
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Rating: 80.9 Rank: #25 Forty: 4.43 Following Charlie Jones' transfer to Purdue and a huge year there where he put up 1361 yds as a receiver he's gone from being a likely UDFA prospect to a p...www.nfldraftbuzz.com
4.6 40 according to this website, which seems about right. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, he does. But a big part of his stats are being a product of brohms system. He's a good college receiver, but nothing jumps out to me that says he's an NFL level guy.
Whether its O'Connell or the other receivers but somethings not right when one receiver is targeted 20+ times and your other receivers combine for 2 catches for 4 yards.
You nailed it.I think there are better coaches out there than Brohm but who knows if they would come to Purdue?That being said,there is plenty of blame to go around for the last two losses and it should be interesting to see how this team plays the next three games.
Yesterday he was playing against an All-American in Riley Moss, yet still was able to separate on several occasions and had 100 plus yards. He's also had big games against Porter (Penn State) and numerous others. You think he has 800 plus yards by not separating from defenders? But yeah, let's dismiss all that because our QB can't seem to look for anyone else. Is that Charlie's fault too?
Yeah, some random guy on Twitter said it so it must be true. You're such a gullible nit wit. That's rondale/mostert type speed which clearly Jones does not possess.So let's go back to your original response. Let's say Purdue has Egbuka from OSU playing in place of Charlie Jones. What would Egbuka do that Charlie hasn't that would help this team? Does he get more TDs than Charlie? More yards? More receptions? Please elaborate since I can't recognize talent.
And a receiver with 1,000+ yards with sub 4.40 speed. Yeah, no way an NFL team will look at that. What a f'ing moron.
"Probably wouldn’t even start for osu. He's the best receiver in a Brohm offense that gets the lead receiver an insane amount of targets, so obviously he'll put up big numbers. He won't be drafted and isn't near the talent level of past receivers. You wouldn't recognize talent if it smacked you in the face."
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Any of those receivers would be great comparisons. Good college players who put up big stats due to the system the play in, and also a lack of talent around them.
Got it, so regardless you're standing by your moronic statement that he'll not be drafted? Who's the nitwit?
Riley Moss hasn’t had a good year in pass coverage.
Charlie Jones best chance of getting paid is as a return man and special teams, not WR.
It is what it is.
Charlie Jones best chance of getting paid is as a return man and special teams, not WR.
It is what it is.
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4.35 is probably generous. But I think if he runs in the 4.5 range he pretty easily gets drafted. He has great hands and runs great routes.
Remind me. How many yards did Jones have against Penn St with Porter on him? How about Syracuse with Williams on him?
Of no consequence.
I’ll check back after the NFL draft and we can see, with evidence, who is closer to reality. As it is, the projections right now tend to favor my position.
We do have to play at IU so you may be right on that game.
Wow, I guess I missed your assessments of four Hawkeye losses over the past five years
Why would you care about our attendance in our last game?🤔
Oh, I know, because you like to follow programs that have a winning record over Iowa over the past six years
like Purdue hasn't had to deal w/ many injuries
This year. But you are what your record says you are. A .500 football team.
In the case of last year's Iowa game, Purdue caught Iowa after Penn State. Iowa didn't have four O linemen that could practice the week prior. So in one case a three deep against an NFL talented defensive lineman. Purdue had two weeks to prepare. Iowa was missing 3-4 defensive players.
Purdue has caught lightning in a bottle in several successive seasons against Iowa.
It is what it is. Facts are difficult, and statistical improbabilities don't generally account for variance. But there have been some statistical improbabilities against Iowa. In the end, facts always win. In the end Purdue is essentially a .500 team. Not a bad team, but not a complete team. And in several instances caught huge breaks in scheduling.
Purdue won those games, but it isn't likely Purdue catches Iowa for the next three meetings with the same circumstances.
Football teams generally don't win games much over .500 unless they are fundamentally sound in all aspects of the game.
Purdue lost yesterday to one of Iowa's worse teams in quite some time. Iowa has continued to build depth and develop players in an attempt to not have injuries and youth cause as much impact. Purdue on the other hand has attempted to throw the ball downfield, and apparently not much else. Two different approaches, two wildly different results. One result is long term consistency to the extent possible given recruiting challenges, and the other result is a fun brand of football to watch, if one can call it football, with 500 yards of passing offense seeming being as important, or more important, than winning football games.
Iowa/CKF should probably start benching your starters a couple of games before the Purdue to make sure the Hawkeyes stay healthy for lowly Purdue…🙄
We've just started to build more depth. It's difficult at Iowa where you lose several players to the NFL early each season, and are a developmental program. Sometimes the kids aren't ready. We've recognized this as a program, and are backfilling.
It's very unlikely given the two different approaches to building a program that Purdue catches Iowa in several successive seasons in the same circumstances they were fortunate to catch Iowa at in the recent past.
Football win / loss records don't lie. Purdue is a .500 program. Iowa is not.
Can you forward your injury report from the 2020 game?
No. Yes.
Actually, yes I could, but I won't. It was widely reported as Iowa was ranked (over ranked) #2 at the time, and yes, Iowa is 5-4 with a very bad, to date, offensive line, and one of Iowa's worst teams / seasons in recent memory. Iowa's best win to date might be Purdue if that tells you anything.
I hope this helps. And I hope Purdue beats Illinois, as Iowa should have, so Iowa wins another B1G West Championship. It's always better to win than lose. And it's always better to be above .500 historically.
In 2020, it was the first game of the season. Did Iowa have a rash of pulled labias?
I’d expect more out of the #16 ranked team in the country. You should hire a labia specialist.
Ah, the covid year. I transposed 2020 and 2021. Yeah, we lost several kids for the season prior to that game also, and had several leave early for the NFL as well.
Good luck against Illinois.
I thought Iowa was an above .500 program. Purdue finished 2-4 in 2020. So, I was right, after all of the players left for the NFL, Iowa must have had a rash of pulled labias to start the 2020 season.
There is no other explanation
Insight observation. I appreciate your input, and will give it all the consideration it deserves before I discount it. Something you're probably used to.
Your the one offering…Iowas injuries cause them to lose to Purdue every year.
2020 would seem to be the exact counter argument to your point. Purdue finished 2-4. Iowa 6-2. You all must have gotten healthy quickly.
Iowa must have hired that Labia specialist in 2020 and then lost him to the NFL before the 2021 game with Purdue. Then hired him back afterwards
Reread what I posted. We lost kids for the season in 2020 prior to playing a single game. We just develop players. Purdue seemingly just wants to pass for 500 yards, and doesn't do a very good job developing positions that result in a long term winning culture. Purdue does develop some players, but apparently not the right ones, or not enough to have them much above .500 in the JB era.
FWIW, I'd trade a loss to Purdue for a B1G Championship game any day of the week. See the difference?
Still mad we whipped that #2 Ass at home last year I see.
Since October opened and hart of Big Ten season, Charlie Jones has two TDs. He had 3 for Iowa all last season.
Tough past two games for Purdue. Good luck Saturday. Offense, defense and special teams will need to bring A-Game, against an Illini team with a very good RB and a very solid defense.
The amount of targets he gets are ridiculous. Even the announcers who tried to hype him at the beginning of the game pointed out several times how many targets he had and how little impact he had on the game. We scored three points. How big of an impact is a guy having when we score 3 points?
Jones is a good receiver, my concern is that he gets so many targets that it makes Purdue predictable and essentially takes every other offensive weapon Purdue has out of the game. It's certainly not his fault. What's he suppose to say "don't throw it to me". I don't know if the problem is that our other receivers can't get open, O'Connell is locking in on him or the coaches are calling every play for him to be the primary receiver. But whatever it is, it hasn't worked the last couple of games even though Jones continues piling up big reception and yardage totals.
Dane Brugler thinks Jones is in the 4.4 range, and will be drafted.
Brohm talked about in the post game interview. Aidan is throwing the ball way too early before anyone has had a chance to run their routes. He's simply a one read pony. He doesn't go thru his progressions at all. That was pretty evident during the game. Even the TV guys commented about other receivers being wide open while Aidan forced it to Jones.
If I were the other receivers on this team I'd probably gang together and give O'Connell a little "motivation" to spread the ball around.
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