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Here's a quote from the movie Million Dollar Baby:

All fighters are pig-headed some way or another: some part of them always thinks they know better than you about something. Truth is: even if they're wrong, even if that one thing is going to be the ruin of them, if you can beat that last bad out of them... they ain't fighters at all.

A part of me is frustrated about Biggie taking that 3 pointer, but a part of me is encouraged. He was willing to step up and say, "I'm willing to take responsibility for either winning or losing this game." At some point, a champion just has to have a heart that you can't teach, and I think he might have that.

He's overcome many challenges in his life. He fights for rebounds and he has significantly reduced his turnovers. I hear he has a great work ethic and is very teachable.

Just some thoughts.
 
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I've got no problem with him having the balls to take that shot in that situation. He didn't become a McD AA through luck.
That shot didn't lose the game. What about Vince and Ray missing free throws in crunch time? What about Ray's ill advised 3 followed by a crazy, out of control drive?
The game was there for the taking. We just didn't make the plays and msu did.
 
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The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.
 
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The difference between a fighter and a basketball player is that the ruin of a fighter only affects himself. In basketball it affects the whole team.

That doesn't speak specifically to whether he should have taken that shot or not. Personally, I don't think he should have, but I'm over it. Just trying to point out a difference in your analogy.
 
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reswat said:
Here's a quote from the movie Million Dollar Baby:

All fighters are pig-headed some way or another: some part of them always thinks they know better than you about something. Truth is: even if they're wrong, even if that one thing is going to be the ruin of them, if you can beat that last bad out of them... they ain't fighters at all.

A part of me is frustrated about Biggie taking that 3 pointer, but a part of me is encouraged. He was willing to step up and say, "I'm willing to take responsibility for either winning or losing this game." At some point, a champion just has to have a heart that you can't teach, and I think he might have that.

He's overcome many challenges in his life. He fights for rebounds and he has significantly reduced his turnovers. I hear he has a great work ethic and is very teachable.

Just some thoughts.
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teh minute he picked Purdue and wanted to bring a championship to Purdue tells me all I needed. Kid could have went to a lot of places...
 
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TC4THREE said:
The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.
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it was a bad shot, but earlier when MSU was starting to pull ahead and others were in a funk...he battled and I think let the others know it wasn't over. It was a bad shot. Davis on a drive on the left side of the baseline and not forcing contact was a mistake. Hill's low release in a finesse shot was a mistake instead of gathering himself and going strong and getting to the line or making a basket was a mistake. AJ's too cute of shots early were a mistake. I thought oh...$hit Biggie when he took it as it WAS a bad shot...early in the clock, but he may have remembered Butler and a couple of other games, knew it was wide open (for a reason no doubt) and took it. Other than Biggie, some seniors took a few bad shots as well. Purdue played VERY hard...and I expect the same in teh NCAA tourney...just hope a few shots drop every game. Refs let them play rather than the tick, tack stuff...
 
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reswat said:
Here's a quote from the movie Million Dollar Baby:

All fighters are pig-headed some way or another: some part of them always thinks they know better than you about something. Truth is: even if they're wrong, even if that one thing is going to be the ruin of them, if you can beat that last bad out of them... they ain't fighters at all.

A part of me is frustrated about Biggie taking that 3 pointer, but a part of me is encouraged. He was willing to step up and say, "I'm willing to take responsibility for either winning or losing this game." At some point, a champion just has to have a heart that you can't teach, and I think he might have that.

He's overcome many challenges in his life. He fights for rebounds and he has significantly reduced his turnovers. I hear he has a great work ethic and is very teachable.

Just some thoughts.
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I expect a Zo Martin-like transformation of his outside game over the summer.
 
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PaBoiler78 said:
I want to see him improve that left handed shot in the lane after a spin move, he comes up short on alot of them.
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I think he is just too weak when out a step. If he is deeper it is usually good
 
I keep seeing references to "early in the clock" but I think if you go back and check there were at most 15 seconds left when he took it. That's still enough time to potentially explore other options, but it's not as if he jacked up a quick shot with 25 seconds remaining. And, we hadn't been terribly effective in creating good looks. In the last 8:00 the only two baskets were dunks by AJ...one in transition and one off of a timeout.

It wasn't a great look, but I'm not convinced a better shot was definitely going to occur. We might have gotten a better look, or just as likely heaved a desperation shot as the clock expired.
 
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QUOTE="TC4THREE, post: 892773, member: 1774"]The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.[/QUOTE]
I know it seemed like a bad shot, but I am not so sure it was a bad decision.

Yes, it missed to the right IIRC. MSU was blanketing all of our shooters, and they had AJ covered down in the paint. Swanigan was wide open at the top of the 3-pt line. He hit those shots in the UM game, a big reason we buried the wolves. Time was running out, so shoot early, if you are open so we have time to rebound the miss. There were plenty of reasons to make that shot. Kudos for Caleb to have the balls to put the team on his back.

As you said, it was not the only bad shot we took coming down to the end. I think the odds are pretty good we can beat them the next time we play.

:cool:
 
mathboy said:
QUOTE="TC4THREE, post: 892773, member: 1774"]The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.
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I know it seemed like a bad shot, but I am not so sure it was a bad decision.

Yes, it missed to the right IIRC. MSU was blanketing all of our shooters, and they had AJ covered down in the paint. Swanigan was wide open at the top of the 3-pt line. He hit those shots in the UM game, a big reason we buried the wolves. Time was running out, so shoot early, if you are open so we have time to rebound the miss. There were plenty of reasons to make that shot. Kudos for Caleb to have the balls to put the team on his back.

As you said, it was not the only bad shot we took coming down to the end. I think the odds are pretty good we can beat them the next time we play.

:cool:[/QUOTE]

Man I don't know what other people saw but I don't think the shot was wide open. He was open enough to be able to shoot it but they were contesting it by the time he shot it.
 
mathboy said:
QUOTE="TC4THREE, post: 892773, member: 1774"]The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.
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Funny thing, he makes that and it could of been a game winner and he is the hero. Like you and a few others have said, kudos to him for having the balls to shoot it.
 
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tjreese said:
teh minute he picked Purdue and wanted to bring a championship to Purdue tells me all I needed. Kid could have went to a lot of places...
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Dude it wasn't his choice to go to Purdue. I think everyone knows what happened there and if u don't u are dumb.
 
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I keep seeing references to "early in the clock" but I think if you go back and check there were at most 15 seconds left when he took it. That's still enough time to potentially explore other options, but it's not as if he jacked up a quick shot with 25 seconds remaining. And, we hadn't been terribly effective in creating good looks. In the last 8:00 the only two baskets were dunks by AJ...one in transition and one off of a timeout.

It wasn't a great look, but I'm not convinced a better shot was definitely going to occur. We might have gotten a better look, or just as likely heaved a desperation shot as the clock expired.
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There was about 15 seconds on the clock...I remember. Purdue has played many games getting the ball across court and starting an offense with 19 seconds on it. THAT shot wasn't the reason for losing the game...just the shot we all remember
 
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The problem is he's simply not a good three point shooter. It was a bad shot..... I'd rather AJ take it because there is about a 50% chance he will make it.
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no he is not a good shooter...why he shoots beside his head instead of coming up through his right eye bothers me. getting the ball too far outside locks the elbow too much
 
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Dude it wasn't his choice to go to Purdue. I think everyone knows what happened there and if u don't u are dumb.
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You do know that his father, Barnes, signed the MSU LOI, right? It was Biggie that tore it up. Maybe you are the dumb one here because you make statements without knowing the facts. Besides, why are you here on the Purdue board?

You and your kind are one of the major reasons MSU gets so little respect on this board. Just speaking for myself, I admire and like MSU, the coach and the players. I can't stand the arrogence displayed by the T-shirt alumni such as yourself. For some reason you think that MSU squeeking by Purdue, Sunday, gives you some kind of priviladge to come over here and be rude, spread false statements, and generally make as ass of your self. It doesn't.

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mathboy said:
You do know that his father, Barnes, signed the MSU LOI, right? It was Biggie that tore it up. Maybe you are the dumb one here because you make statements without knowing the facts. Besides, why are you here on the Purdue board?

You and your kind are one of the major reasons MSU gets so little respect on this board. Just speaking for myself, I admire and like MSU, the coach and the players. I can't stand the arrogence displayed by the T-shirt alumni such as yourself. For some reason you think that MSU squeeking by Purdue, Sunday, gives you some kind of priviladge to come over here and be rude, spread false statements, and generally make as ass of your self. It doesn't.

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I wasn't going to say much to him as it wasn't worth my energy. I figured if he really wanted to challenge me he would show how dumb I was on basketball since that is what this forum is. It happens...and age sometimes helps that...
 
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TC4THREE said:
The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.
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Hill's drive might have worked if he would have had in mind to look to pass it while making such an aggressive dribble. It reminded me of Tony Jones getting blocked by Guillermo "Panama" Myers when Texas beat Purdue in the 1990 NCAA Tournament: in those tight, end-of-game situations, if a player drives hard like that, they have to look to make a pass while doing so because everyone on D will collapse on them in that situation.
 
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Hill's drive might have worked if he would have had in mind to look to pass it while making such an aggressive dribble. It reminded me of Tony Jones getting blocked by Guillermo "Panama" Myers when Texas beat Purdue in the 1990 NCAA Tournament: in those tight, end-of-game situations, if a player drives hard like that, they have to look to make a pass while doing so because everyone on D will collapse on them in that situation.
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Maybe if AJ had been trailing him more closely he could've dumped it off. I know the broadcasters were critical of his effort to get back on that play.
 
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Maybe if AJ had been trailing him more closely he could've dumped it off. I know the broadcasters were critical of his effort to get back on that play.
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As if AJ was the only guy who could do that. AJ was gassed and after Swanigan put up that lame three he kind of lost interest. That happens when bigs run the floor from one end to the other and no one looks for them.
 
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Maybe if AJ had been trailing him more closely he could've dumped it off. I know the broadcasters were critical of his effort to get back on that play.
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I've re watched that play several times. Hill basically had 5 Spartans in front of him. Still not sure what he saw. AJ would not have got that board even if he sprinted. Hill should have pulled up (or dished it to Caleb for an open 3)tic
 
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Hill's drive might have worked if he would have had in mind to look to pass it while making such an aggressive dribble. It reminded me of Tony Jones getting blocked by Guillermo "Panama" Myers when Texas beat Purdue in the 1990 NCAA Tournament: in those tight, end-of-game situations, if a player drives hard like that, they have to look to make a pass while doing so because everyone on D will collapse on them in that situation.
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Hill can get to the rim and he released this around the bottom of the bankboard because he was trying to beat the blockers and use finesse. If he slows for a second and goes up for a dunk before he releases it or goes up higher I don't think it gets blocked. That is off memory and I'm away on work and not able to review his shot...but I really think he released it way too low. :)
 
tjreese said:
Hill can get to the rim and he released this around the bottom of the bankboard because he was trying to beat the blockers and use finesse. If he slows for a second and goes up for a dunk before he releases it or goes up higher I don't think it gets blocked. That is off memory and I'm away on work and not able to review his shot...but I really think he released it way too low. :)
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I just think he kind of panicked and went into "one track mind" mode: the I'm-gonna-take-it all-the-way instead of considering the other options. It hasn't been everyone but in recent history, it seems like with many Purdue players, once they start a fast break with two or more dribbles, they don't pass it before they get to the rim.
 
nagemj02 said:
I just think he kind of panicked and went into "one track mind" mode: the I'm-gonna-take-it all-the-way instead of considering the other options. It hasn't been everyone but in recent history, it seems like with many Purdue players, once they start a fast break with two or more dribbles, they don't pass it before they get to the rim.
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He did panic. Purdue ball handlers are not used to playing chaotic and then having the control to make a play like you describe. I think his shove off the defender kept him from gathering up his body and going strong up to the rim
 
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TC4THREE said:
The shot was horrid no matter how you want to justify it. His shot selection has improved greatly the last 10 or so games which is a big reason why we have been putting up the offensive numbers we have BUT that was still a bad shot. I'm over it though and ready to chalk it up as a learning experience. It wasn't the only bad shot we took down the stretch. I really didn't have much problem with Hill's drive. In fact, I thought it was smart and was exactly what I was hoping someone would do if they could get to the basket. I thought Davis had forced a couple of bad shots in the previous possession(s) though.
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I'm thinking Ray has lost all confidence in his shot and we can't have that. I think Dakota should get some more of his minutes.
 
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Swanigan's three was a bad shot, no question. But Swanigan has a confidence and a will to win that we are "stuck" with, so I think the only solution to that problem is for him to start making more threes, especially big ones like that one. Think of all the huge, ballsy, game winning shots that guys have hit that were actually bad shots. Just make it, and we are all happy. I don't think he can be reined in much more.
 
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