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Bullshit. If that were true why did it take Kelley this long to come out and make that claim? Why are you more keen to believe him and only him over 14 other people that were there, including people that don't like Trump? I know why, you just don't want to admit it.Okay, I watched it.
1) John Kelley, his Chief of Staff says Trump said these incredibly awful things to him. Your YouTube huckster video does nothing to dispute that.
2) There is video of Trump saying about one of our most decorated military heroes ever, "He's not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured.”
One is Trump saying so, and the broader take is one of Trump's (former) closest loyalists, a military hero who isn't running for anything; he's running away from the spotlight.
So it's not entirely possible that John Kelley is telling the truth and that Trump made comments to his Chief of Staff that lots of other people did not hear?Bullshit. If that were true why did it take Kelley this long to come out and make that claim? Why are you more keen to believe him and only him over 14 other people that were there, including people that don't like Trump? I know why, you just don't want to admit it.
Again. Why did he wait so long to come out and say it then?So it's not entirely possible that John Kelley is telling the truth and that Trump made comments to his Chief of Staff that lots of other people did not hear?
This is a dumb argument. We don't know Kelley's character because he has never been put under a microscope like Trump has. Even then, MUCH of what you think you know about Trump is a lie.Who is more likely to be telling the truth about that; John Kelley or Donald Trump? We all know that John Kelley is hard-wired as a patriot that tells the truth, and Trump is the opposite.
You summarized your inability to spot bullshit. Congrats.You "know why..." not putting words in your mouth, so you can/should/will respond, but let me guess why you think Kelley says Trump told him this: Kelley is part of the:
"RINODeepStateFakeNewsSecretHunterBidenLovingPedophileEpstienBuddyPizzaParlorRiggedElectionCabal."
There, did I summarize it for you?
Do you think the trial had merit?Trump is a loser. Again. Bigly!
He went into the NY civil trial with the defense that he didn’t overstate his assets because he is worth billions.
Whaddya wanna bet now that he lost, he will say he doesn’t have the $400 million.
Kinda of ironic, eh?
Not sure how you would define “merit.”Do you think the trial had merit?
I mean, why was there a trial for a crime in the first place when no one suffered any damage? This one really seems out of bounds.Not sure how you would define “merit.”
“setting forth sufficient facts from which the court could find a valid claim of deprivation of a legal right.”
is a reasonable legal definition.
So yes. Primarily because a court of competent jurisdiction found it. And for what it’s worth, while I read news accounts of the evidence, that is so, SO different than seeing all of the admissible evidence.
But good news; appellate courts are specifically designed to protect against mis-application of theories such as this. So he can put up an interest-included bond and test this theory.
In a layman’s sense I find it interesting.Do you think the trial had merit?
It was not a criminal trial. It was a civil trial; he was found liable for damages.I mean, why was there a trial for a crime in the first place when no one suffered any damage? This one really seems out of bounds.
With that said, it’s my understanding the lending institution didn’t bring this to court. They were paid on time and agreed to the terms of the loan without doing their due diligence. That’s on them if they could have received a higher rate. The lending institution could have declined the terms and conditions, but they didn’t. Again don’t see who suffered damage or loss on the loan or loans.It was not a criminal trial. It was a civil trial; he was found liable for damages.
The damage was via extraordinarily large financial misstatements that allowed him to get favorable lending rates. And then he didn’t default on the loans.
Think of it like this; you go to buy a $500k house. The mortgage company says “we’ll only qualify you for a much lower rate home loan if you have a job that pays $100k a year and can show $50k in a bank account.” So you lie; create fake financials and employment. And get the loan. But then you don’t default. That’s Trump, but on a much, much larger scale.
It’s not on them—they are not responsible for detecting fraud. It’s to their advantage to do so and if they knew the situation and lent anyway that would make things different.With that said, it’s my understanding the lending institution didn’t bring this to court. They were paid on time and agreed to the terms of the loan without doing their due diligence. That’s on them if they could have received a higher rate. The lending institution could have declined the terms and conditions, but they didn’t. Again don’t see who suffered damage or loss on the loan or loans.
I would hardly believe that the Trump organization is the only one that has ever done this. I would guess that they are the one that was levied such a huge judgment against them. Would this be an issue if the hated Trump wasn’t a presidential candidate?It’s not on them—they are not responsible for detecting fraud. It’s to their advantage to do so and if they knew the situation and lent anyway that would make things different.
The lack of default is why this wasn’t criminal, but it was a massive and systemic fraud.
There are instances like this with civil judgments all the time. Without them
organizations could lie at will to get systemic advantages through fraudulent practices.
It’s how government prevents institutions from deteriorating—risk in lending is real—without protections we end up with S&L crisis situations. And when that happens interest rates go up for everyone.
I’m sorry; where does this say that anyone thinks this was an injustice in the linked article? Did not see that at all.Even someone on msdnc thinks this was an injustice:
MSNBC host Katy Tur demands: ‘Is this fair’ after judge fines Trump, bans him from business in New York
MSNBC host Katy Tur went through New York Judge Arthur Engoron's ruling against former President Trump and asked her panelists if it was a "fair" decision.www.foxnews.com
Look again.I’m sorry; where does this say that anyone thinks this was an injustice in the linked article? Did not see that at all.
Having a net worth of billions isn't the same as having $400 million in cash. You do realize that right?Trump is a loser. Again. Bigly!
He went into the NY civil trial with the defense that he didn’t overstate his assets because he is worth billions.
Whaddya wanna bet now that he lost, he will say he doesn’t have the $400 million.
Kinda of ironic, eh?
Damages to whom? Nobody was hurt. So again, as he said above, why was there a trial? It's painfully obvious it's because it's a get Trump at all costs case, but you and others here have TDS so bad, you don't care that one side is acting like authoritarians while accusing the other of being that.It was not a criminal trial. It was a civil trial; he was found liable for damages.
The damage was via extraordinarily large financial misstatements that allowed him to get favorable lending rates. And then he didn’t default on the loans.
Think of it like this; you go to buy a $500k house. The mortgage company says “we’ll only qualify you for a much lower rate home loan if you have a job that pays $100k a year and can show $50k in a bank account.” So you lie; create fake financials and employment. And get the loan. But then you don’t default. That’s Trump, but on a much, much larger scale.
It's not fraud if it's an agreed upon contract. You really think the bank doesn't do their own due diligence to make sure the assets aren't worth what they are loaning for? How naive can you be?It’s not on them—they are not responsible for detecting fraud. It’s to their advantage to do so and if they knew the situation and lent anyway that would make things different.
The lack of default is why this wasn’t criminal, but it was a massive and systemic fraud.
There are instances like this with civil judgments all the time. Without them
organizations could lie at will to get systemic advantages through fraudulent practices.
It’s how government prevents institutions from deteriorating—risk in lending is real—without protections we end up with S&L crisis situations. And when that happens interest rates go up for everyone.
Hoosier has obviously never applied for a business loan.It's not fraud if it's an agreed upon contract. You really think the bank doesn't do their own due diligence to make sure the assets aren't worth what they are loaning for? How naive can you be?
You may be spot on about this. It’s ridiculous that people are more concerned about getting Trump than they are about how much damage is being done to the country.Watch—
I really think you Trump supporters should put your money where your mouth is—give lots of YOUR money to Donnie J to fight the injustice! 🤣
- Trump will bleed money out of his supporters to pay for the settlements.
- Then he will use that money to put up the bond to appeal.
- If he wins the appeals, he will keep every penny of that money for himself and his kiddies.
So you gave to the Go-FundMe?You may be spot on about this. It’s ridiculous that people are more concerned about getting Trump than they are about how much damage is being done to the country.
I’m not giving money to anyone anymore. I pay enough in taxes so get it from the government and they are.So you gave to the Go-FundMe?
Time for you to show you mean what you say. Trump clearly states that giving him money IS the way to save the country!
What if said Trump has some nifty athletic shoes for sale?I’m not giving money to anyone anymore. I pay enough in taxes so get it from the government and they are.
Your heroes.What if said Trump has some nifty athletic shoes for sale?
Proceeds go toward deep-state resistance!
@Diverting!Your heroes.
CIA and foreign intelligence agencies illegally targeted 26 Trump associates before 2016 Russia collusion claims: report
The US Intelligence Community asked foreign spy agencies to surveil 26 associates of Donald Trump in the run-up to the 2016 election, which triggered the allegations that the former president’s cam…nypost.com
Are you gonna buy the Trumpy shoes?You brought up the police state.
Oh no. Stop your GoFundme contributions everyone!Here you go, Trump lovers!
For you guys? NOT a con!
Donate to Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment, organized by Elena Cardone
My name is Elena Cardone and I am a wife of Grant Cardone, mother and … Elena Cardone needs your support for Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgmentwww.gofundme.com
First, tell me if you are going to vote for Joe Crow-Robin again in the unlikely event he runs for a second term.Are you gonna buy the Trumpy shoes?
ANSWER ME DAMMIT, YOU PEON.
I DEMAND THAT YOU ANSWER.
Geez; I dunno.First, tell me if you are going to vote for Joe Crow-Robin again in the unlikely event he runs for a second term.
After your first sentence, I went straight to your last. Cost/benefit.Geez; I dunno.
Oh, never mind.
Reading is hard! But try to focus your teeny tiny shriveled brain to read the middle part too.After your first sentence, I went straight to your last. Cost/benefit.
Making sense of your gibberish is the hard part and not worth the time.Reading is hard! But try to focus your teeny tiny shriveled brain to read the middle part too.
The middle part features direct quotes by the anti-democracy, cult-beloved Donald J Trumpy