Steps for Painter to take on Defense, Offense & Recruiting to fix this program

[BoilerUpThenHammerDown]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

 

[Boilerfla]

Good tips!!!

Get some cofffee time with Paintr

 

[Gesysp]

What is it they say? The first step is realizing you have a problem…and Painter is too arrogant to admit he’s part (all) of the problem.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial. It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give us 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and man to man defense because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.
So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.
Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is to much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

I support much of this. We all worry about "if" Edey leaves. What if he does? Did he carry us to the elite 8? We have TKR, who seems to love to backdown his man. Similar to Edey. We have Berg. Another giant who is working on his back down then hook shot. We have Furst, who is more of a 5 for most teams and can defend other 5s.

 

[bonefish1]

For the 500th time today: after 18 years, what gives you any indication whatsoever, that Painter is going to change?
What’s the saying….something about tigers and stripes? Old dogs and tricks?

 

[BoilerUpThenHammerDown]

For the 500th time today: after 18 years, what gives you any indication whatsoever, that Painter is going to change?
What’s the saying….something about tigers and stripes? Old dogs and tricks?

This has to be a wake up call though. If this isn't then nothing is. Surely he's got to rethink some of the different choices in direction and strategy for the program.

 

[steakman765]

the step he needs to take is out the door. He’s accomplished all he can, which is nothing, at Purdue. Hit the bricks, you philandering clown.

 

[Boilerfla]

the step he needs to take is out the door. He’s accomplished all he can, which is nothing, at Purdue. Hit the bricks, you philandering clown.

Nice articulate analysis, I guess you’re in the circus too

 

[Boiler Buck]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

Good post.

Do you think CMP is flexible enough to listen?

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

Thanks for explaining the pack line defense. I actually wasn't sure what that was.

Good post.

Do you think CMP is flexible enough to listen?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

Or, go buy some 22 and 23 year old grown-ass man creators in the portal with NIL money.

 

[bonefish1]

This has to be a wake up call though. If this isn't then nothing is. Surely he's got to rethink some of the different choices in direction and strategy for the program.

He makes $5m a year. Why would he want to change? Pride?

 

[Baritter]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

Totally agree. But I think Painter is to stubborn to change.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

He makes $5m a year. Why would he want to change? Pride?

Uh, he wants Purdue basketball to win more than all of us combined?

 

[bonefish1]

Uh, he wants Purdue basketball to win more than all of us combined?

How do you know that? He’s not changing his system. He’ll be doing the same thing in 10 years as he is doing today.

 

[tjreese]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

You do realize than man D for over a half century by damn near every coach teaches help D 2 passes away probably 40 years before packline was a word. Now if you want to go full denial as you imply you need more depth and athletes. But then you said a zone would would be the primary D and so it gets a bit confusing what you are suggesting.

Do you consider Syracuse using a zone or a matchup zone because they are different. Which do you prefer zone or matchup zone? Most people consider Virginia to be good on the defensive end and lacking on the offensive end.

I’ve been on record for some time with a preference on two tall 4s and so I never really read much on your O since I was confused in where you were going on the defensive side. Are you recruiting players for pressure D all over the court (40minutes of hell?) or Zone or matchup zone? Full denial players are probably not zone players. I’m not exactly following you?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

How do you know that? He’s not changing his system. He’ll be doing the same thing in 10 years as he is doing today.

He has a much deeper connection to Purdue University and the basketball program than a Domer like you do.

 

[Gman544]

Defense
Ditch the Packline man defense!
What do Purdue and Virginia have in common other losing to a #16?
The Packline Man Defense!

For those that don't know the Packline man to man defense is a type of man defense where the off ball defenders are in a help position and not denial.

It is passive and generates few turnovers but commits few fouls and can give up 3s. Trying to play the Packline with an immobile center at the 5 is unnecessarily difficult. It also allows a less skilled team to get open shots and is not challenging to play against which significantly increases the chance a less skilled opponent can win.

I firmly believe Purdue is so bad against the press and aggressive man to man defense (Rutgers style) because Purdue's own style of defense is a very passive man to man.

So Purdue's players get used to playing against passive defense in summer camp/other practices and then turn into a panicked mess once they face actual aggressive denial defense or a full court press.

Have a summer camp of pressing and press breaking. Over and over again. All man defense must be aggressive denial defense.

Purdue has let opposing coaches dictate the strategy and tactics of important tournament games and Purdue just reacts.

It's time for Purdue to be proactive and be the aggressor and start forcing the opponent to adapt to Purdue's game.

1. Use zone defense as the primary defense. If you want to have star centers that dominate the post on offense then you should use a zone and put your big man in the center
2. Switch between different zone defenses, aggressive man defense & full court press selectively to constantly keep opponents guessing.
3. Stay aggressive, force turnovers and use the bench to outwork the other team with conditioning.

Offense
1. Find more balance between post feeds and pick and roll or zoom actions.
2. Allow the center at the 5 to take more face up jump shots, free throw line extended. Ideally the center can hit open 3s at 33% or higher. This opens up the pick and pop.
3. Dramatically increase the number of different motion sets, plays and formations. Purdue is too much of a sitting target that's easy to scout.
4. Push the ball in transition when favorable and have the big man run the floor as the trailer. Just because you have a big 5 doesn't mean only slow half court offense. Running the fast break with a large center is nearly unstoppable at times. See Shaq highlights at the lakers.

Recruiting
1. Recruit athletic guards!! Find players that can finish at the rim and have excellent ball handling skills.
2. Have the center practice taking shots faced up to the basket.
3. Less emphasis on three point shooting, when you have a team full of players you recruited because of their shooting and they're not shooting well then you're in trouble.
4. Have 1-3 be able to finish at the rim and mid-range, don't become overly reliant on the 3.

Sometimes the biggest declines cause the most improvement.

Concrete steps
1. Hire a Syracuse assistant to help implement zone defense.
2. Hire a full court press specialist assistant.
3. Find athletic guard transfer or recruit

A lot of good ideas. However, I would not make zone the primary defense. Purdue went 27-6 and won their league with no zone. They held the opponents who beat them to 45% shooting and 69 points ( only that high because of Purdues poor shooting and turnovers leading to easy baskets). I think it is offense and turnovers that have been the bigger problem, so let’s not just disband the man to man. However, Purdue should practice zones from day one with a coach that knows what he is doing and use it during the season as matchups dictate. It’s another tool in the toolbox. Most everything else is worth high consideration, not a giggle from Painter.

 

[bonefish1]

He has a much deeper connection to Purdue University and the basketball program than a Domer like you do.

Again, if the expectation from much of the fan base and admin is to win 20 games and get to the tourney (with no expectations for success in the tourney) and they’ll pay him $5M a year to do so, why risk changing what he believes works?
He won’t.
Post offense and man defense is all he’ll ever run.

 

[Dryfly88]

A lot of good ideas. However, I would not make zone the primary defense. Purdue went 27-6 and won their league with no zone. They held the opponents who beat them to 45% shooting and 69 points ( only that high because of Purdues poor shooting and turnovers leading to easy baskets). I think it is offense and turnovers that have been the bigger problem, so let’s not just disband the man to man. However, Purdue should practice zones from day one with a coach that knows what he is doing and use it during the season as matchups dictate. It’s another tool in the toolbox. Most everything else is worth high consideration, not a giggle from Painter.

Excellent post. Exactly what I've been saying also. Not suggesting zone be our primary defense, I think the OP is the exception to the rule thinking it should be. However, it needs to be a tool we are prepared to use. Anyone that watches hoops besides the B1G sees it all the time, a team is on a run, coach calls time out, changes D and it leads to a couple bad possessions and the momentum is broken.

Good point on the giggle from Painter. His press conference earlier this year was an embarrassment when asked about Zone.

 

[depthcharge623]

A lot of good ideas. However, I would not make zone the primary defense. Purdue went 27-6 and won their league with no zone. They held the opponents who beat them to 45% shooting and 69 points ( only that high because of Purdues poor shooting and turnovers leading to easy baskets). I think it is offense and turnovers that have been the bigger problem, so let’s not just disband the man to man. However, Purdue should practice zones from day one with a coach that knows what he is doing and use it during the season as matchups dictate. It’s another tool in the toolbox. Most everything else is worth high consideration, not a giggle from Painter.

But doesn’t our style of man defense tire our guys out? I would think that’a part of the problem on offense is them getting tired and losing their legs.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Again, if the expectation from much of the fan base and admin is to win 20 games and get to the tourney (with no expectations for success in the tourney) and they’ll pay him $5M a year to do so, why risk changing what he believes works?
He won’t.
Post offense and man defense is all he’ll ever run.

None of that disproves my point that he wants to win more than a reversible jacket fan like you.

Plus, he’s doing a lot more than that, for less money than that.

 

[Boiler8285]

Excellent post. Exactly what I've been saying also. Not suggesting zone be our primary defense, I think the OP is the exception to the rule thinking it should be. However, it needs to be a tool we are prepared to use. Anyone that watches hoops besides the B1G sees it all the time, a team is on a run, coach calls time out, changes D and it leads to a couple bad possessions and the momentum is broken.

Good point on the giggle from Painter. His press conference earlier this year was an embarrassment when asked about Zone.

Our defense is good enough. Our offense stinks. Saying we have shooters when for two months the film says otherwise is insane. Need a plan B.

 

[Dryfly88]

Our defense is good enough. Our offense stinks. Saying we have shooters when for two months the film says otherwise is insane. Need a plan B.

The correction I would make to your statement is: Our defense is good enough MOST of the time. When it isn't, we need to have a plan B. We currently don't have one. If we did Edey wouldn't have been 20 feet from the basket trying to close out on a 3 point shooter time and again. That was just painful to watch.

No argument on the offense needing variety also.

 

[Boiler BCT 93]

How do you know that? He’s not changing his system. He’ll be doing the same thing in 10 years as he is doing today.

As someone who was once very close to the program i can say without a doubt that coach p, brantley and bloom are die hard boilers

 

[bonefish1]

As someone who was once very close to the program i can say without a doubt that coach p, brantley and bloom are die hard boilers

Being a die hard has nothing to do with it. I don’t doubt he wants to win, what I doubt is his ability to do so in March.

 

[jdbrees922]

don’t think anyone is sayingzone all the time, just occasionally to throw them off a little. A press once in a while would help as well

 

[tjreese]

don’t think anyone is sayingzone all the time, just occasionally to throw them off a little. A press once in a while would help as well

You really want to throw the other team off...come out with midrift shirts with numbers and with only jocks, knee high socks and pink shoes...and they will keep moving backward when they have the ball

 

[BoilerAndy]

You really want to throw the other team off...come out with midrift shirts with numbers and with only jocks, knee high socks and pink shoes...and they will keep moving backward when they have the ball

This proves their point. Painter's too stubborn to try that!!!

 

[tjreese]

This proves their point. Painter's too stubborn to try that!!!

I heard he had no volunteers to run out first. I think it would be effective though...

 

[New Pal Boiler]

The correction I would make to your statement is: Our defense is good enough MOST of the time. When it isn't, we need to have a plan B. We currently don't have one. If we did Edey wouldn't have been 20 feet from the basket trying to close out on a 3 point shooter time and again. That was just painful to watch.

No argument on the offense needing variety also.

Yeah if FDU was any good they would have scored 80 with that quick 5 out offense.

 

[BoilerUpThenHammerDown]

Our defense is good enough. Our offense stinks. Saying we have shooters when for two months the film says otherwise is insane. Need a plan B.

Yeah looking at the numbers again it's definitely the offense that's the problem.
Purdue's raw points per possession on offense dropped 20% against FDU while points per possession on defense increased 1%.

Having a team full of guards where 66%+ of all their shot attempts are 3s isn't good when the team shoots below 33%.
Ethan Morton has 73% of all of his shot attempts as 3s when he shot 27% for the season.

Something has to change,

 

[BoilerDeac]

He has a much deeper connection to Purdue University and the basketball program than a Domer like you do.

My parents met at Purdue. My grandparents raised children while at Purdue. My grandpa played football at Purdue and has a building named after him on campus. Purdue was the only thing that allowed him to get off the farm and change the entire trajectory of his life and the generations after him. In many ways, I owe my life to Purdue.

Purdue basketball is one of the things my father, brother, and family members bond and connect over, and is something that’s remained a constant as all our lives naturally branch in different directions.

You have no clue about the depth of each person’s individual connection to/with Purdue.

 

[pubill]

But doesn’t our style of man defense tire our guys out? I would think that’a part of the problem on offense is them getting tired and losing their legs.

No,
I would consider our defense less taxing on our players, than a complete denial defense or a full out court press defense. Kids at that age, should be able to get in shape and play defense,

 

[New Pal Boiler]

My parents met at Purdue. My grandparents raised children while at Purdue. My grandpa played football at Purdue and has a building named after him on campus. Purdue was the only thing that allowed him to get off the farm and change the entire trajectory of his life and the generations after him. In many ways, I owe my life to Purdue.

Purdue basketball is one of the things my father, brother, and family members bond and connect over, and is something that’s remained a constant as all our lives naturally branch in different directions.

You have no clue about the depth of each person’s individual connection to/with Purdue.

Sure I do. The guy openly roots for ND football, and hopes our recruits decommit.

That is not someone who cares for Purdue as much as I do, let alone as much as the guy who has spent half of his life playing and coaching there.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

No,
I would consider our defense less taxing on our players, than a complete denial defense or a full out court press defense. Kids at that age, should be able to get in shape and play defense,

You won’t convince me that having Edey chase that guy around the perimeter all night didn’t wear him out more than necessary.

 

[clankhan]

Being a die hard has nothing to do with it. I don’t doubt he wants to win, what I doubt is his ability to do so in March.

Is Pally resorting to his usual manipulative tactics again?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Being a die hard has nothing to do with it. I don’t doubt he wants to win, what I doubt is his ability to do so in March.

If he had better boosters, who put their money where their internet mouth is, he would still be coaching.

 

[JRKinn]

My goodness, this stuff is crazy. We don't need to recreate the entire system, it's been very successful. We had some large flaws this season with turnovers against the press, and with shooting going cold in the second half the season. Also didn't have anyone that can create for themselves.

If we had someone on this years team that could just hit 35-37% from 3 consistently, we would have been almost unstoppable. Just look at the games earlier in the season when Loyer was doing exactly that. We were blowing really good teams out by 15+.

Turnover's against the press is coaching and not having any ball handlers outside of Braden. Need to fill or develop some help, and practice from day one against the press (this I agree with the OP on).

For the offense we just need someone who can shoot reliably, which I think may be Loyer if he can beef up and shake off the freshman jitters he hit in the second half the season. I really don't like being dependent on 1 person to fill this gap though so maybe a CG from the portal to add some depth. (I don't want to trust any of our returning guards with this responsibility)

We also need an athletic guard who can create for themselves. We have Colvin coming in to fill that need, but Freshmen be Freshmen so probably want a portal addition for this as well.

You put a Cline or Mathias type player on this years team and we would destroy teams. We may have one in Fletcher but he hit the freshmen wall half way through. The games we lost or that were close were almost all because we couldn't hit wide open 3's when team doubled or tripled up on Edey. We make teams pay for doubling and we win 99.9% of the time......

 

[BoilerUpThenHammerDown]

My goodness, this stuff is crazy. We don't need to recreate the entire system, it's been very successful. We had some large flaws this season with turnovers against the press, and with shooting going cold in the second half the season. Also didn't have anyone that can create for themselves.

If we had someone on this years team that could just hit 35-37% from 3 consistently, we would have been almost unstoppable. Just look at the games earlier in the season when Loyer was doing exactly that. We were blowing really good teams out by 15+.

Turnover's against the press is coaching and not having any ball handlers outside of Braden. Need to fill or develop some help, and practice from day one against the press (this I agree with the OP on).

For the offense we just need someone who can shoot reliably, which I think may be Loyer if he can beef up and shake off the freshman jitters he hit in the second half the season. I really don't like being dependent on 1 person to fill this gap though so maybe a CG from the portal to add some depth. (I don't want to trust any of our returning guards with this responsibility)

We also need an athletic guard who can create for themselves. We have Colvin coming in to fill that need, but Freshmen be Freshmen so probably want a portal addition for this as well.

You put a Cline or Mathias type player on this years team and we would destroy teams. We may have one in Fletcher but he hit the freshmen wall half way through. The games we lost or that were close were almost all because we couldn't hit wide open 3's when team doubled or tripled up on Edey. We make teams pay for doubling and we win 99.9% of the time......

I think the system is successful but not with the current players. This team can't hit high enough 3p% in important games. Two years in a row Purdue has lost almost the exact same game, low 3p% and high turnovers.

The same thing will probably happen next year unless something changes, I don't think the addition of Colvin is enough.

Having all of the guards and wings with a 3 point rate higher than 66% doesn't work. It's clear that they can't attack the rim at all and that's why 2/3 of their shots are 3s.