So, with Zach back, what changes?

[bonefish1]

Now that Painter knows what his team will be (unless he pulls another G from the portal late), what will change next year.
Will Painter have watched the NBA workout tapes and decide to five ZE the green line to shoot 3s or at least shoot jumpers in the PnR?
Will Painter start Colvin at the 3 to put a better athlete on the floor?
I think the 2 spot is up for grabs as well. Can Heide beat out Loyer?

 

[Gemini95]

Nothing if we still can't shoot.
Hopefully Loyer gets back to form and at least one other guy improves.

 

[Abugabby]

Now that Painter knows what his team will be (unless he pulls another G from the portal late), what will change next year.
Will Painter have watched the NBA workout tapes and decide to five ZE the green line to shoot 3s or at least shoot jumpers in the PnR?
Will Painter start Colvin at the 3 to put a better athlete on the floor?
I think the 2 spot is up for grabs as well. Can Heide beat out Loyer?

You think CMP didn't know Zach could stroke outside shots before he saw the NBA tapes?
Purdue had one of the better seasons in Purdue BBall history, the national player of the year and beat the brakes off the best teams we played.

 

[bonefish1]

You think CMP didn't know Zach could stroke outside shots before he saw the NBA tapes?
Purdue had one of the better seasons in Purdue BBall history, the national player of the year and beat the brakes off the best teams we played.

Ummm....you do realize we had the worst loss in NCAA tourney history, right?

 

[Abugabby]

Ummm....you do realize we had the worst loss in NCAA tourney history, right?

Fluke. We were one of the best teams in the country all season. You can't mess with that.

 

[Wolegib]

I don’t think Purdue needs Edey to start shooting 3 point shots! And I also don’t think Edey needs to show off shooting 3 point shots to impress the nba scouts. What Purdue really needs is for their guards to step up ! And what Edey needs to do is just keep doing what he does best. Many big men have improved their outside shot in the NBA. And many NBA big men never shoot the three point shot anyway! Too many fans seem to believe everything revolves around the 3 point shot. Not every big man is a 3 point specialist! Giannis didn’t need a 3 point shot to be great. Lopez learned his 3 point shot in the nba! Purdue’s Miller wasn’t a tremendous 3 point shooter either.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

Flukes stop being flukes anymore when they happen three years in a row.

Hopefully that lit a fire in not just Zach, but in CMP and the whole team.

 

[Wolegib]

Fluke. We were one of the best teams in the country all season. You can't mess with that.

A fluke? And the three previous years? A fluke?

 

[purduedavie]

I hope Edey’s minutes are cut a tad, maybe 26-28 minutes instead of 31 or so. Also hope at the least Loyer and Smith see a cut in minutes, 30 minutes a game is too much for them, maybe max 25 minutes per night, both seemed worn down as the season progressed. Hoping we see Edey/Renn/Colvin/Loyer/Smith as the starters, with Furst/Gillis/Heide/Morton/Jones contributing off the bench.

 

[bonefish1]

Fluke. We were one of the best teams in the country all season. You can't mess with that.

What about the 2 years prior to that? Flukes also? It's been a trend under Painter.

 

[Wolegib]

Flukes stop being flukes anymore when they happen three years in a row.

Hopefully that lit a fire in not just Zach, but in CMP and the whole team.

My hope is that rather than lighting a fire, Painter changes his offense and the players he uses. Maybe some starters from last year could be valuable reserves off the bench. And maybe two bench players could find their way into our starting lineup. Maybe Painter could start our 5 best players rather than than our 5 most experienced players. He started two freshmen last year! Maybe it’s time he started another freshman at the 3 and changed who starts at the 4! I believe the roles of our 3 and 4 need to change if we are to get to the next level. We should easily win 20 games. But if we want to go farther in the tourney, we need to make changes rather than just hoping to light a fire!

 

[Wolegib]

My hope is that rather than lighting a fire, Painter changes his offense and the players he uses. Maybe some starters from last year could be valuable reserves off the bench. And maybe two bench players could find their way into our starting lineup. Maybe Painter could start our 5 best players rather than than our 5 most experienced players. He started two freshmen last year! Maybe it’s time he started another freshman at the 3 and changed who starts at the 4! I believe the roles of our 3 and 4 need to change if we are to get to the next level. We should easily win 20 games. But if we want to go farther in the tourney, we need to make changes rather than just hoping to light a fire!

In other words, I’d love to see Morton and Gillis coming off the bench as valuable reserves!

 

[BoilerDeac]

Now that Painter knows what his team will be (unless he pulls another G from the portal late), what will change next year.
Will Painter have watched the NBA workout tapes and decide to five ZE the green line to shoot 3s or at least shoot jumpers in the PnR?
Will Painter start Colvin at the 3 to put a better athlete on the floor?
I think the 2 spot is up for grabs as well. Can Heide beat out Loyer?

Not much. Will likely be a dominant regular season team that will be exposed in the NCAA because of the predictable, outdated approach of relying too much on a back-to-the-basket big man...

I kid, I kid...sort of...hopefully a more experienced backcourt with allow this team to be more dynamic, but the over-reliance on Zach does worry me a bit.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Not much. Will likely be a dominant regular season team that will be exposed in the NCAA because of the predictable, outdated approach of relying too much on a back-to-the-basket big man...

I kid, I kid...sort of...hopefully a more experienced backcourt with allow this team to be more dynamic, but the over-reliance on Zach does worry me a bit.

How’s the “FIRE PAINTER!” Campaign going ?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

In other words, I’d love to see Morton and Gillis coming off the bench as valuable reserves!

We definitely need more dynamic offensive weapons at the 3 and 4 spots, whether they be Morton and Gillis, or others.

 

[purduepat1969]

How’s the “FIRE PAINTER!” Campaign going ?

In all seriousness, unless this team has an epiphany from the 3 point line, or someone can exploit open mid-range shots, teams are gonna continue to pack it in against Edey. The recipe for how to defend him is out. I'm happy as hell that he's returning. But something will need to change this year for the team to succeed in March. We can't have ineffective offensive players on the court that allow defenses to double team Edey. Assuming Painter continues to value experience (ie, starting Morton and Gillis) we'll likely see more of the same...

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Probably the biggest change will be the influx of athleticism with Heide and Colvin coming in. Haven't seen enough of Heide to know whether he can create, but everything I've seen from Colvin it appears he's destined for the NBA.

 

[purduepat1969]

Probably the biggest change will be the influx of athleticism with Heide and Colvin coming in. Haven't seen enough of Heide to know whether he can create, but everything I've seen from Colvin it appears he's destined for the NBA.

Neither one has seen a minute on the court in college ball. Putting all of our hopes that this solves the athleticism problem for Purdue is really pushing things. I agree they could have some impact. But Painter should have gone after more athleticism for depth at the 1/2 position. That's going to be this team's achilles heel.

 

[Old Gold n Black]

What about the 2 years prior to that? Flukes also? It's been a trend under Painter.

Apples and oranges. Each of the past three seasons were very, very different.

In '21 our roster was dominated by freshmen in what was largely a rebuilding year. I think we were the youngest team in the tourney in '21.

In '22 we were beat in the S16 by a ultra-hot team that just knocked off a 2-seed. This is not the same thing as losing in the first round! Hats off to St. Pete's. It was a miracle run and they played waayyyyy above their talent level...well, for 3 games in a row anyway.

In '23....yeah, that was a fluke. That was our worst 3 pt shooting output for the season. If we played a series of rematches, we win that game 99 times out of 100. Just an incredibly lucky roll of the dice for FDU, nothing more nothing less.

 

[*4purdue*]

Fluke. We were one of the best teams in the country all season. You can't mess with that.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me... fool me 3 times, it's not a fluke. Losing to a 13, 14 & 16 seed in 3 consecutive season is not a fluke. CMP needs to change his ways, we are way to easy to scout. Especially in March when there is plenty of tape available. When you don't utilize all of the possible defenses & offenses that are available, it's obviously not that difficult to figure out how to break us down. I'm not just talking about the zone, there are many variations of the zone & we should also implement a press, not to use all the time, but to mix up defenses. The offense is going to run through Edey, but I also think there needs to be an up-tempo offense when Edey is resting, which won't be often.

 

[Old Gold n Black]

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me... fool me 3 times, it's not a fluke. Losing to a 13, 14 & 16 seed in 3 consecutive season is not a fluke. CMP needs to change his ways, we are way to easy to scout. Especially in March when there is plenty of tape available. When you don't utilize all of the possible defenses & offenses that are available, it's obviously not that difficult to figure out how to break us down. I'm not just talking about the zone, there are many variations of the zone & we should also implement a press, not to use all the time, but to mix up defenses. The offense is going to run through Edey, but I also think there needs to be an up-tempo offense when Edey is resting, which won't be often.

Nope. Three different seasons. Three different teams with different talent structures and maturity levels each year. Definitely not the same mistake three times in a row. Just...nope.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

My hope is that rather than lighting a fire, Painter changes his offense and the players he uses. Maybe some starters from last year could be valuable reserves off the bench. And maybe two bench players could find their way into our starting lineup. Maybe Painter could start our 5 best players rather than than our 5 most experienced players. He started two freshmen last year! Maybe it’s time he started another freshman at the 3 and changed who starts at the 4! I believe the roles of our 3 and 4 need to change if we are to get to the next level. We should easily win 20 games. But if we want to go farther in the tourney, we need to make changes rather than just hoping to light a fire!

I disagree that major changes to the offense are needed. As a more experienced team with more experienced guards, Painter should be able to add to the offense, but it doesn’t need an overhaul. It really comes down to improved execution: reducing turnovers and hitting open shots. Do those two things and Purdue will be very hard to beat.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

What about the 2 years prior to that? Flukes also? It's been a trend under Painter.

We beat a very good Texas team and made the sweet sixteen last year. That’s a very good season.

 

[purduedavie]

This guy gets it!

Thank you, been posting on these boards a number of years, lots of painful loses buddy! As one gets older though you realize this stuff in the grand scheme of things isn’t really important, I’ll always love Purdue University, that’s never going to change!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

In all seriousness, unless this team has an epiphany from the 3 point line, or someone can exploit open mid-range shots, teams are gonna continue to pack it in against Edey. The recipe for how to defend him is out. I'm happy as hell that he's returning. But something will need to change this year for the team to succeed in March. We can't have ineffective offensive players on the court that allow defenses to double team Edey. Assuming Painter continues to value experience (ie, starting Morton and Gillis) we'll likely see more of the same...

My biggest concern is our team being worn down by February and March. I don’t know if CMP needs to ease up on the preseason workouts or spread out the minutes some more, or both ?

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Thank you, been posting on these boards a number of years, lots of painful loses buddy! As one gets older though you realize this stuff in the grand scheme of things isn’t really important, I’ll always love Purdue University, that’s never going to change!

I'm glad you said that. For a nominal fee of 3 million dollars you can be the lead donator in the Edey COVID year campaign. Think of it this way that we can have Zach for two more years with your generous gift. It's like a 2 for one offer if you think about it the right way. And if you give this generous amount in the next 24 hours, you'll get a signed ZE hockey jersey. You'll be the envy of all the fine posters on this board. Hurry before it's too late. Remember "He's just big" and you can be too.

 

[BoilerDeac]

How’s the “FIRE PAINTER!” Campaign going ?

We will revisit next year in the NCAAs!

Keep on keepin' your head in the sand.

 

[Wolegib]

We need more of a variety of an offense than to feed the post and shoot from the perimeter! Regardless of our players or the year, our offense is very predictable and very easy to defend against. One alternative is to just feed the post and let Edey score 50 points a game . Admittedly boring, but a lot more efficient than jacking up 3’s all game. We need more pick and rolls, drives to the basket and short jumpers. We need a guard who can score rather than one who is a shooter! We also need players who can elevate their game to another level when the tournament starts. That’s what Carsen did! That’s what made Dwayne Wade famous. They were both great players, but both elevated their game when it mattered most.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

We will revisit next year in the NCAAs!

Keep on keepin' your head in the sand.

So you still want Painter fired ?

 

[*4purdue*]

Nope. Three different seasons. Three different teams with different talent structures and maturity levels each year. Definitely not the same mistake three times in a row. Just...nope.

Same coach, same game plan, same result

 

[icewind7]

Not much. Will likely be a dominant regular season team that will be exposed in the NCAA because of the predictable, outdated approach of relying too much on a back-to-the-basket big man...

I kid, I kid...sort of...hopefully a more experienced backcourt with allow this team to be more dynamic, but the over-reliance on Zach does worry me a bit.

This is something that I never understand. Why do we always dominate the lower tier programs in the pre-season, and got slaughtered by them in the post season?! always puzzling to me.

 

[Old Gold n Black]

Same coach, same game plan, same result

The game plan in '22 was very different with Ivey and Sasha in the lineup as compared to '23. Last year was very iso-oriented with everything going through Zach all the time. Not much of a similarity IMO.

If there is a consistent flaw in our plan year after year, I'd have to say it is bench management. There's no reason true freshmen should be playing 30+ min per game late in the season. Those dudes were flat gassed. I'm hoping Colvin is capable of taking some minutes at the 2. That should help even out PT distribution between Smith, Jones and Loyer.

 

[SCBoiler1]

Do people not understand that Purdue won the B1G and B!G Tourney in spite of the fact that we shot 32% from three last year? Its really an amazing stat. To me that's a testament to Painter's system and Edey. Don't blame the system, blame the guys who can't hit open shots. Keep the system, improve our 3 point shooting.

I'm sorry, but we aren't going to a FF no matter what system we run unless we shoot better than 32% from 3.

 

[BoilerDeac]

This is something that I never understand. Why do we always dominate the lower tier programs in the pre-season, and got slaughtered by them in the post season?! always puzzling to me.

Because Painter is stubborn, and the team, often, does not have the dynamic players to steadily improve and adapt as the season goes on.

 

[SCBoiler1]

This is something that I never understand. Why do we always dominate the lower tier programs in the pre-season, and got slaughtered by them in the post season?! always puzzling to me.

Because the lower tier teams in the post season are their conference champions. The lower tier team we play at the beginning year are a mixed bag of lower division teams.

Not that we shouldn't be able to beat them but they are the "best of the worst".

 

[SKYDOG]

This season will be a tough one for Painter. Expectations will be extremely high and keeping the players hungry and happy will be a challenge. He has so many good players from top to the bottom of the roster with not much separation in ability. Good luck coach as you’re going to need it.

 

[GoldandBlackintheSaddleAgain]

Now that Painter knows what his team will be (unless he pulls another G from the portal late), what will change next year.
Will Painter have watched the NBA workout tapes and decide to five ZE the green line to shoot 3s or at least shoot jumpers in the PnR?
Will Painter start Colvin at the 3 to put a better athlete on the floor?
I think the 2 spot is up for grabs as well. Can Heide beat out Loyer?

1 Will Painter have watched the NBA workout tapes and decide to give ZE the green line to shoot 3s or at least shoot jumpers in the PnR?

To guess, to an extent, yes. Gonna say around 30 ish attempts for the year or a little less than 1 / game. Also gonna guess ZE finishes the year around 32%. Not too shabby for a 7'4" Hockey Player

2 Will Painter start Colvin at the 3 to put a better athlete on the floor?

No. Colvin may end up being a starting 2/3 but not at the start of the season I'd guess

3 Can Heide beat out Loyer?

Seriously doubt we ever see Heide as the 2. I haven't seen much of his tape but appears to be 3/4 wing. Althletic? For sure, but asking him to keep pace with a two-guards' agility & speed? Maybe in spurts but that's some round peg into square hole, sheet

 

[bonefish1]

Neither one has seen a minute on the court in college ball. Putting all of our hopes that this solves the athleticism problem for Purdue is really pushing things. I agree they could have some impact. But Painter should have gone after more athleticism for depth at the 1/2 position. That's going to be this team's achilles heel.

I agree. Painter has done a horrible job utilizing the portal to upgrade the G position. Been a problem going on 3 years now.

 

[bonefish1]

Apples and oranges. Each of the past three seasons were very, very different.

In '21 our roster was dominated by freshmen in what was largely a rebuilding year. I think we were the youngest team in the tourney in '21.

In '22 we were beat in the S16 by a ultra-hot team that just knocked off a 2-seed. This is not the same thing as losing in the first round! Hats off to St. Pete's. It was a miracle run and they played waayyyyy above their talent level...well, for 3 games in a row anyway.

In '23....yeah, that was a fluke. That was our worst 3 pt shooting output for the season. If we played a series of rematches, we win that game 99 times out of 100. Just an incredibly lucky roll of the dice for FDU, nothing more nothing less.

3 years in a row is a trend, not a series of flukes, bad luck or whatever else you want to call it.
This is probably a make/break year for Painter on getting to the FF or NC.
But then again, we've seen him stumble horribly when the path was already cleared for him.

 

[bonefish1]

We beat a very good Texas team and made the sweet sixteen last year. That’s a very good season.

No when you lose to a 15 seed.