So who is leaving?

[qazplm]

11
10.3
13.8

32%
44%
46%

1.7
1.6
2.1

PPG, 3P%, 3PM for Frosh, soph and junior year for fletch.

Improved every year.

% wise he is currently 4th in the country on 150 attempts. You sure you are good with him to leave? Cuz I certainly am not.

I mean that's not major improvement and you've listed basically one thing, 3p shooting.

Now, is his 3p shooting a weapon you want in your tool kit? Absolutely. Does it get lessened when he plays poor defense, passes up open shots for ill advised drives and disappears offensively for large chunks of games? Absolutely.

 

[Dryfly88]

As others have said, Loyer would be perfect as a 4-5-6 option. He just doesn't have the overall game needed to be the 3rd option on a team without Edey. Get in the portal and get a couple studs that can be the 3rd and 4th options with Smith and TKR. Let Loyer be Loyer and hit open 3's when they are there.

 

[Wolegib]

What report? Please provide the link/source to the report that a player told painter he is leaving.

It was on Facebook. I know nobody here reads facebook

 

[boilerzz]

Yes, such a good fan you are bud.

Thank you

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Speaking of players potentially leaving…what happened to Burgess? I know he has struggled but we are giving minutes to Berg over him. Wondering if he would seek a new location.

That's been my prediction since the post was made that someone was leaving.

 

[Wolegib]

I didn’t start this thread. Painter was asked a question about portal transfers. The question was never about Furst leaving. He knew Furst was leaving last year.

You use the portal when a current player announces their decision to leave during the year and you have to find a player to replace the departing player from a resource pool of players you haven’t previously recruited.

A case could be made for a number of players. But if you look at the history of Purdue players that have decided to enter the portal, it was never the 13th man. It was that player in the 6-10th spot That had hopes of getting more playing time that he knew he wouldn’t receive at Purdue. Look at Eastern, Haarms, Stephens, Morton, Newman and others. None of them were our 13th man. All of them were players seeking more playing time and a chance to shine.

Now take a look at our past and the players who transferred out and take a look at our present. What are the names of the players who are currently in those 6-10 slots? That’s your transfer candidate. And that’s the player you replace with someone from the portal.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

I didn’t start this thread. Painter was asked a question about portal transfers. The question was never about Furst leaving. He knew Furst was leaving last year.

You use the portal when a current player announces their decision to leave during the year and you have to find a player to replace the departing player from a resource pool of players you haven’t previously recruited.

A case could be made for a number of players. But if you look at the history of Purdue players that have decided to enter the portal, it was never the 13th man. It was that player in the 6-10th spot That had hopes of getting more playing time that he knew he wouldn’t receive at Purdue. Look at Eastern, Haarms, Stephens, Morton, Newman and others. None of them were our 13th man. All of them were players seeking more playing time and a chance to shine.

Now take a look at our past and the players who transferred out and take a look at our present. What are the names of the players who are currently in those 6-10 slots? That’s your transfer candidate. And that’s the player you replace with someone from the portal.

Or it could be one of the starters seeking glory, fame, and the all mighty dollar. The current starters will be hard pressed to make the pros, including Smith or TKR, so they may want to pad the account before playing in Europe.

 

[Wolegib]

A strong case could be made for Benter. He red shirted this year because of the potential of zero playing time. The same players who were here this year will be here next year. And you will add West to that mix. Benter is still not going to see any playing time. In 2 years you will add Ertel. Playing time won’t get any better.

I’m not saying it’s Benter, but it wouldn’t shock me if he left via the portal.

A strong case could be made for Harris and Myles wanting to be a starter next year.

A strong case could be made for Heide wanting to play a position other than backup power forward.

A weaker case would involve Berg and Wadell. I don’t see either player wanting to leave.

I’m not sure what say about Burgess. I kind of expected more from him. At the beginning of the year Painter said Burgess needed more physical conditioning to be ready to play more minutes And he never elaborated and nobody leaked out the real issues .

I read a lot of different stuff on Purdue basketball. One of those articles/posts said a player actually went to Painter and informed him he planned to enter the portal and would be leaving. I don’t really know how much truth there was to that statement. No name was mentioned.

Based on Purdue’s past history, it was a believable statement that a player looked at the future and informed painter he was leaving. Based on the current culture of players leaving, it was believable. The original poster wasn’t. Trying to create drama or trying to get a scoop over the mainstream media. That poster also had no reason to be lying.

Look at how many of you who are also speculating.

The one thing that I know is true is that the story wasn’t leaked by Painter. And he is not going to acknowledge it or address it publicly until after Purdue’s season is officially over.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

That's been my prediction since the post was made that someone was leaving.

Berg or Burgess?

Would rather lose Berg because Burgess has upside, IMO

 

[PaBoiler78]

A strong case could be made for Benter. He red shirted this year because of the potential of zero playing time. The same players who were here this year will be here next year. And you will add West to that mix. Benter is still not going to see any playing time. In 2 years you will add Ertel. Playing time won’t get any better.

I’m not saying it’s Benter, but it wouldn’t shock me if he left via the portal.

A strong case could be made for Harris and Myles wanting to be a starter next year.

A strong case could be made for Heide wanting to play a position other than backup power forward.

A weaker case would involve Berg and Wadell. I don’t see either player wanting to leave.

I’m not sure what say about Burgess. I kind of expected more from him. At the beginning of the year Painter said Burgess needed more physical conditioning to be ready to play more minutes And he never elaborated and nobody leaked out the real issues .

I read a lot of different stuff on Purdue basketball. One of those articles/posts said a player actually went to Painter and informed him he planned to enter the portal and would be leaving. I don’t really know how much truth there was to that statement. No name was mentioned.

Based on Purdue’s past history, it was a believable statement that a player looked at the future and informed painter he was leaving. Based on the current culture of players leaving, it was believable. The original poster wasn’t. Trying to create drama or trying to get a scoop over the mainstream media. That poster also had no reason to be lying.

Look at how many of you who are also speculating.

The one thing that I know is true is that the story wasn’t leaked by Painter. And he is not going to acknowledge it or address it publicly until after Purdue’s season is officially over.

as I said before, I could see Heide going to Minny if they get a coach he likes, would be an instant starter and closer to home

 

[PaBoiler78]

Berg or Burgess?

Would rather lose Berg because Burgess has upside, IMO

totally agree, Burgess could have really used a RS but w/ DJ injury wasn't happening

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Harris has had some flashes but of all the players mentioned he seems to have the lowest ceiling and I don’t see Loyer or Braden leaving.

Both are playing their last year next. 2 years for Harris to be a starter.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

I see possible portal transfers as Heide, Berg, Colvin, Cox,and Harris. They all would like more playing time and don't see that happening here next year. The only one leaving is Furst so if they want to play more it won't be here. Hope they don't leave but we must face the reality of some of them going where they could play more.

Cox starts for goodness sake.

 

[PaBoiler78]

Don’t know anything about him. I live those 2 guards from USC. Big, physical, can get their own shot.
Get 1-2 of those guys and then a killer on the boards and then you’ve got another FF contender.

 

[jdbrees922]

I could see Miles and Cam leaving simply because someone will offer them a boatload of money. And with the 3 seniors getting theirs will there be enough ? Cox and Harris are going to want their bag as well but probably would stay knowing they will get theirs when Smith and Loyer leave . Hoping all 4 stay but with West coming in who knows. And jury still out on Benter cause we just don’t know.

 

[Wolegib]

as I said before, I could see Heide going to Minny if they get a coach he likes, would be an instant starter and closer to home

I could easily see that

 

[Wolegib]

Money talks. And players who want to play in the nba usually don’t want to stick around for three years waiting for their moment to shine.

Cox started this year but he wasn’t the guy who played to close out games. There’s no guarantee he’ll remain the starter .

As we look at Purdue’s potential transfer candidates, the same speculation can be made for every team. Look at IU. Their coach is leaving. Do you truly believe all their players will remain?

 

[proudopete]

as I said before, I could see Heide going to Minny if they get a coach he likes, would be an instant starter and closer to home

Heide’s family now live in orange beach.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

if Poulakidas, kid from Yale, has any eligibility left, I would toss a bag at him.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

Colvin already gave up a shit load of money to come to a purdue, not to mention he already has a shit load of money.

 

[Boilerfla]

using some of the listed transfer logic here, every player 6-13 on each teams roster will hit portal, unless guy in 1-5 position is leaving, so how do teams have depth? Somebody has to assume they’re 5-15(two more this year), so why wouldn’t our guys behind the top
3 stay and compete, get a guy or two from
Portal and have a great year, then they take top roles in 26, assuming some think this way…..

 

[typeviic]

And exactly what did that do for us? We need scorers not shooters. Dakota became a scorer and evolved his game. Once again, he doesn't rebound very good, he isn't a strong guard who can dribble/drive and he struggles with defense.

Being a good shooter doesn't necessarily help this team become better. Exactly, why we have 3 guys sitting out on the corners looking for Smith and TKR to create an opening. I want players who can create off the dribble/drive. Do you not notice these long scoring droughts?

"I want players who can create off the dribble/drive."

Hey, you know.....there are plenty of those types that play for mid-major teams. Maybe we can get a couple from the NIL portal so the core-3 dont waste their senior season.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Colvin already gave up a shit load of money to come to a purdue, not to mention he already has a shit load of money.

Can you elaborate on the first part?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

if Poulakidas, kid from Yale, has any eligibility left, I would toss a bag at him.

He does not but I would be 100% on board there

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I could easily see that

Heides fam is in Alabama now

 

[bashfan]

Cox starts for goodness sake.

But doesn't play that much.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

But doesn't play that much.

So let’s play the game. Where would he go? What would be a better opportunity for him? He seems to value education. Purdue was the only P5 to offer him (just like smith). He started as a Frosh.

Why would he leave? What’s the incentive? Just money? If that’s your reasoning he definitely does not seem like a kid who would go somewhere just for money. Especially when he can play for a coach like painter and his staff and also get mentored by the best PG in the country.

 

[bashfan]

So let’s play the game. Where would he go? What would be a better opportunity for him? He seems to value education. Purdue was the only P5 to offer him (just like smith). He started as a Frosh.

Why would he leave? What’s the incentive? Just money? If that’s your reasoning he definitely does not seem like a kid who would go somewhere just for money. Especially when he can play for a coach like painter and his staff and also get mentored by the best PG in the country.

I hope they all stay, but only time will tell.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I hope they all stay, but only time will tell.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

He does not but I would be 100% on board there

It was reported on here that he was offered $500-$600k to go to one of the new development leagues coming out of high school...maybe same one Catchings went to...can't remember.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

It was reported on here that he was offered $500-$600k to go to one of the new development leagues coming out of high school...maybe same one Catchings went to...can't remember.

And he went to Yale instead?!?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I mean that's not major improvement and you've listed basically one thing, 3p shooting.

Now, is his 3p shooting a weapon you want in your tool kit? Absolutely. Does it get lessened when he plays poor defense, passes up open shots for ill advised drives and disappears offensively for large chunks of games? Absolutely.

Offensive Rating from FR to JR

110.9
120.1
126.7 (4th in big ten)

Defensive rating from FR to JR
104.1
106.1
113.9

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

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and what might be done in The Heat of the Moment.

 

[qazplm]

Offensive Rating from FR to JR

110.9
120.1
126.7 (4th in big ten)

Defensive rating from FR to JR
104.1
106.1
113.9

These are small moves man and do you actually think he's playing well on defense right now?

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

And he went to Yale instead?!?

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post. My response was to your question about Colvin.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Sorry, I replied to the wrong post. My response was to your question about Colvin.

Oooooh I was gonna say haha

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

These are small moves man and do you actually think he's playing well on defense right now?

I’d have to look at others to compare. Was just providing different data beside shooting %

 

[qazplm]

I’d have to look at others to compare. Was just providing different data beside shooting %

No one is saying he doesn't provide benefits but I don't see how anyone can claim he's made any kind of big leap.

Smith did. TKR did. Loyer is Loyer. For good or bad.

 

[rgarlitz]

As others have said, Loyer would be perfect as a 4-5-6 option. He just doesn't have the overall game needed to be the 3rd option on a team without Edey. Get in the portal and get a couple studs that can be the 3rd and 4th options with Smith and TKR. Let Loyer be Loyer and hit open 3's when they are there.

Man, a team that had Fletch as a 6th scoring option could probably get to the Final Four playing Iowa defense!

I think Fletch will stay in the starting line-up, but I appreciate your larger point. Purdue needs at least one more consistent, athletic guard/wing who's comfortable handling the ball, can get to the rim, and can defend athletic guards--somebody like Lance Jones. I don't think that player is going to replace Fletch, but Purdue is missing a consistent guard/wing who can do the things Fletch can't.

Maybe that player is already on the roster (looking at you, Colvin), but I suspect Painter will at least look around this spring.

 

[Dryfly88]

Man, a team that had Fletch as a 6th scoring option could probably get to the Final Four playing Iowa defense!

I think Fletch will stay in the starting line-up, but I appreciate your larger point. Purdue needs at least one more consistent, athletic guard/wing who's comfortable handling the ball, can get to the rim, and can defend athletic guards--somebody like Lance Jones. I don't think that player is going to replace Fletch, but Purdue is missing a consistent guard/wing who can do the things Fletch can't.

Maybe that player is already on the roster (looking at you, Colvin), but I suspect Painter will at least look around this spring.

6th might have been stretching it...

But if you look at FF possible teams this year, Duke, Auburn, Florida.....where do you think Loyer would be in their pecking order? 4th or 5th for sure and in the case of Florida maybe 6th.

I know I'm not saying anything too profound here, but having Edey on the roster last year allowed us to get to a FF with not necessarily the balanced fire power those teams normally have. He was just so dominate that we didn't require a really strong 3rd, 4th and 5th option. If we could get portal help, that pushes Loyer to 4th or 5th best option, we have legit FF chance.