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Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.
 
Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.
Morgan Burke is waiting to tell you "I told you so" when DH has some success. Unfortunately his first three years have set the bar so low that success will be defined by a 500 season with the strategy being the hope that no one remembers that DH was hired to replace a 500 level coach who was losing fan interest. I believe there is no hope until we get a new AD. Would like to be wrong.
 
Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.

Admin didn't want Morgan to hire another coach. They got caught unprepared. He gone after next season barring a miracle
 
Wilson is a good offensive coach and he is out recruiting Purdue now,but so is probably everyone else.
 
Our AD search committee hasn't even met yet....doesn't sound like we're in much of a hurry.
Hazell may still be here after this season.
 
Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.
So what's your point??? We all know Hazzell sucks as a coach both on the field and as a recruiter. It will be like this until long after he is gone barring a miracle coaching hire.
 
Purdue University doesnt give a sh#t! Period! But keep your JPC funds rolling in! It would be so unfair if the University had to pay for something it strangled economically over so many years.
 
Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.
IU's been able to recruit for a few reasons:
They've had an offense that's been fun to watch.
They've played a lot of freshmen.
They've played the Big Boys close.

As for the bowl game, they lost to Duke by 3 in overtime.
 
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I hope whoever the new AD is......he gives the same PINK SLIP to our baseball coach as well. What a dumpster fire program that is!!!!! Three straight last place finishes!!!! And off to a blistering 4-21 start too this season. Football is first priority, but I hope we strive for excellence in all sports!
 
Morgan Burke is waiting to tell you "I told you so" when DH has some success. Unfortunately his first three years have set the bar so low that success will be defined by a 500 season with the strategy being the hope that no one remembers that DH was hired to replace a 500 level coach who was losing fan interest. I believe there is no hope until we get a new AD. Would like to be wrong.

Like cutler fans.. Hoping year EIGHT will be their time to taunt the haters lol
 
Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.
Got blown out? As usual, you never let facts get in the way of a good story.
 
Got blown out? As usual, you never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Lost in a bow l game they never deserved. Yes I see why they are so proud.

In another story Purdue got what the asked for deal with it. They are by far the worst football team in all of D1!
 
Lost in a bow l game they never deserved. Yes I see why they are so proud.

In another story Purdue got what the asked for deal with it. They are by far the worst football team in all of D1!
Indy, they may not be the worst in D1, but I'd hate to watch anyone worse than the Boilers have been under DH. But then, I wouldn't want Wilson around my son either.
 
Good to see you still believe in the Easter Bunny. Blown out....yep.
We lost, and ultimately that's all that matters, but what on earth are you talking about? We lost by 3 in OT. It was back and forth the entire game and we blew a 4th quarter lead.

As far as your questions, a high powered offense helps, as do the upcoming facilities upgrades. It won't matter if we don't fix our D though.
 
Surprised baseball has been allowed to dwell in the Big Ten cellar. It is one of Burke's favored non-revenue sports.

Yes, I'm surprised MB hasn't put the new football training facility on hold so he can dump $20 or 30 mill into upgrading baseball facilities. How's that Women's softball team doing -- the one with the $20 mill stadium, that Cordova forced the AD (i.e., the JPC) to pay for in lieu of upgrades for football.
 
Yes, I'm surprised MB hasn't put the new football training facility on hold so he can dump $20 or 30 mill into upgrading baseball facilities. How's that Women's softball team doing -- the one with the $20 mill stadium, that Cordova forced the AD (i.e., the JPC) to pay for in lieu of upgrades for football.
Admittedly, I wasn't following it at the time, but if we really did spend $20M on a softball stadium, and since you asked, here's some stats for this year's team. Looks like they are 21-17, but so far only three home games (all losses) vs MN (avg attendance about 500+) and a split of two games vs IU (no attendance figure for one of those games, the other had 722 in attendance). There are seven more home games this season. Tickets are $5 for adults and $2 for youths (but $1 for some games). If they can average 600 paying customers/game (aggressive estimate assuming improving weather) and $4.25/seat, that's about $2500/game or about $30K in total ticket revenue for the season (excluding concessions, which I assume a $20M stadium is equipped to offer...but probably only one window considering how many are open on game days in Ross-Ade). That probably doesn't even pay for the utilities and maintenance for the year.

This is absolutely not meant as a slam to the women's softball program....just an examination of the financial return on the investment. Our non-revenue sports are going to be in a world of hurt eventually if the big revenue sport (i.e., football) doesn't turn it around soon and start filling (at least most of) R-A again which not only drives seat/parking/concessions revenue, but also juices athletic department contributions from fans & alumni. BTN splits can only go so far in supporting the Athletics budget.
 
Admittedly, I wasn't following it at the time, but if we really did spend $20M on a softball stadium, and since you asked, here's some stats for this year's team. Looks like they are 21-17, but so far only three home games (all losses) vs MN (avg attendance about 500+) and a split of two games vs IU (no attendance figure for one of those games, the other had 722 in attendance). There are seven more home games this season. Tickets are $5 for adults and $2 for youths (but $1 for some games). If they can average 600 paying customers/game (aggressive estimate assuming improving weather) and $4.25/seat, that's about $2500/game or about $30K in total ticket revenue for the season (excluding concessions, which I assume a $20M stadium is equipped to offer...but probably only one window considering how many are open on game days in Ross-Ade). That probably doesn't even pay for the utilities and maintenance for the year.

This is absolutely not meant as a slam to the women's softball program....just an examination of the financial return on the investment. Our non-revenue sports are going to be in a world of hurt eventually if the big revenue sport (i.e., football) doesn't turn it around soon and start filling (at least most of) R-A again which not only drives seat/parking/concessions revenue, but also juices athletic department contributions from fans & alumni. BTN splits can only go so far in supporting the Athletics budget.

http://www.jconline.com/story/sport...e-softball-stadium-elevates-program/24895489/

The cost of the stadium is quoted here as $13 mill. But that doesn't include the land acquisition, which was complicated for reasons I can't recall. GBI did an article, or two, about it several years ago, and I thought the total cost ended up being about $20 mill, but maybe it was closer to $15 mill? Either way, it's way too much to spend on women's softball at a time when football was far behind peer institutions in terms of facilities, which Purdue now admits, but denied at the time.

The $13 mill was raised by calling it a phase of the Mackey Complex Project. That way, donors who wanted to support competitive basketball facilities were effectively coerced into pay $13+ mill for a women's softball stadium, in order to get donor money to basketball.

This sort of charade has been Purdue University's (i.e., the BOT and President's) business model for its Athletic Department since Jeschke: 1) Siphon the revenues out of men's basketball and football and use those revenues to fund the non-revenue sports. 2) Use the BTN money to support unrelated university projects, like the student learning center and the co-rec improvements, and then throw an unjustifiably large overhead charge on the AD to siphon off any remaining BTN money. Finally, 3) run to the JPC crying that there is no money to compete with peer B1G's institutions in men's basketball and football, implying that members need to give more if they want to compete in revenue sports, and if they don't, the failure of those sports will be the fault of JPC members. This was the gist of Nancy Cross' infamous letter during the Painter to Mizzo debacle -- the real problem was not MB, Cordova, or the BOT, it was the JPC's failure to open another vein and give more!

The logic behind this business model is very simple, Purdue University holds its own football and men's basketball programs hostage, by effectively threatening to deny adequate support -- support which the programs themselves more than generated before it was siphoned off. The BOT and President do this because they know alums and JPC members will donate to support football and men's basketball, whereas we're less likely to directly support the non-revenue sports or the university's pet projects.

The next AD needs to recognize this problem, and be committed to changing the business model. The model we need is one that's committed to achieving success in football and men's basketball, which would in turn produce the revenues needed for competitive non-revenue sports, along with the occasional boondoggle for the BOT or President. Look at all the other universities that brag about having self-sustaining Athletic Departments -- they use the business model I just suggested, not the failed Purdue model of effectively holding football and men's basketball for ransom.
 
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Out of the '16 recruiting class, "H" landed only six threes and the rest two's or below out of 23 recruits. By comparison, IU landed 15 out of 21 three stars. And IU under Wilson has not had a winning record in his tenure.

So what is it....facilities, the ability to sell potential to recruits, Kentucky style envelopes....what is allowing such better recruitment to that losing program vs. this losing program?

I know they went to a "Toilet Bowl" and got blown out, but that alone shouldn't allow them that kind of recruiting success. And for '17, they've landed five three's and one four, while the Boilers sit with a two star QB as their only commit.

Can Purdue win more than two games ever with the kind of, or lack of, talent "H" has been able to land? Is there anyone on here who believes he's capable of ever being successful long or short term.

My opinion, he should have been fired last season.

Let's see...

IU has an identity on the field.

IU has an identity off the field.

They have a head coach who wants to lead a program and has a plan to do so.

They've made it a focus to do well in-state.

Has nothing to do with better facilities, any envelopes (bless your heart if you think anyone's breaking recruiting rules for 3 stars lol), etc.

Our football program is literally being led by nobody.
 
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