Jesus, were all playing out scholarship situations here and I name one and I get hated on for it. Just saying it is a possibility not saying its going to happen. Didn't even say I wanted it to happen. What's the problem with me saying a potential transfer while all you name off potential NBA early entries.
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There is some serious love for Taylor here. I hope you are right.
If PJ is starting and getting the majority of minutes then I hope he is vastly improved in the scoring department. If he hasn't improved and is getting major minutes we will have the same frustrations as this year. PJ is a good backup point in the B10 not a starter. Again, if he improves that much then great, if not I hope he isn't getting serious minutes again.
If PJ is starting and getting the majority of minutes then I hope he is vastly improved in the scoring department. If he hasn't improved and is getting major minutes we will have the same frustrations as this year. PJ is a good backup point in the B10 not a starter. Again, if he improves that much then great, if not I hope he isn't getting serious minutes again.
Got to think Basil gets the backup 4 minutes. Taylor will get plenty at the 5 can't see Haas playing more than 30 any night.
And this lineup is exactly why Bane is needed if a scholarship is available. He is a very solid player with D1 ability and would bring exactly what Painter said was truly lacking in his post game comments Thursdsy. There are little to no true athletes on the wings and Painter needs players to change that. You don't sit and wait and waste a year just to hopefully bank a scholarship for potential recruits that aren't a guarantee
Careful research said we were a lock to get Dawson and had no shot at Biggie. 16 year old kids change their minds from one day to the next. That kind of attitude is why Purdue will never be great. Act like a mid major, and that's the kids you will end up with.
I am down on PJ. He never took chances on offense is why his TO ratio was soo high. He doesn't drive. He went 1-5 from 3pt range in that NCAA game which is in a small par why Purdue lost. Ark packed it in and I knew Purdue was in trouble early when I saw them missing wide open 3's. That's why I did not get soo upset like other fans did. The issues all season were on display in that game:
Missing open 3's, silly turnovers, struggling against the press. Blowing a lead and not hitting FT's late. When they had that 14 pt lead I was not comfortable at all. Ark was upping the def intensity and you could see Purdue struggling against it. PJ is not the answer at starting PG. Fact is Painter made a coaching mistake matching up to them in the middle of the 2nd half BECAUSE Painter had no faith the guards could handle the defensive pressure.
No! Just saying if Painter wants him he'll offer but if not he'll "bank the offer" and go all in on 2017. Yes you try till the end but everyone on here can agree that our recruiting has been a hit or miss on kids we've recruited for years and it turns into them picking another school and it leaves us settling in the end.
Very solid with no offers....hmmm. Whose minutes is he going to take next year? Cline, Edwards, Basil Mathias.... He would redshirt or play garage time for next years team. Then you would all complain that we don't have a scholarship for a 17 kid. His season is over. If CMP was interested and thought he could help, he would have offered by now. He's obviously looking at someone else before he offers a 2* kid with no offers.
We are in trouble if Taylor is supposed to be a legitimate backup center. Painter has got to be looking for Neal and a 5th year center to come in for a year.
I'm guessing we are going to get Williams. He is very high on Purdue. The other kids are all up in the air. But even if we don't, there will be plenty of 2* & 3* kids next year, why not wait and take our chances. Do we really want to not even give ourselves a chance?
I don't see where you get the confidence that Taylor will get minutes on this team next year. I would slide Biggie to the 5 when Haas comes off the floor. I'm excited to have Edwards get more minutes like Davis did this year.
Haas / Biggie
Biggie / Edwards
Edwards / Basil
Mathias / Cline
PJ / Edwards
Haas / Biggie
Biggie / Edwards
Edwards / Basil
Mathias / Cline
PJ / Edwards
Thought Toyra had an academic scholarship...very intelligent individual from Faith Christian in Lafayette. He has graduated . Banking scholarships make sense if you're unable to meet a need but have opportunities in the next class.
What about foul trouble? Painter likes to pull bigs after 1 foul. You don't think Taylor will have to be an integral part of the lineup? Biggie likes to play the 4....came to Purdue to play the 4. Taylor will get minutes guaranteed unless we get a solid 5th year transfer big. AND I don't see Biggie playing 40 mins a game between the 4 and 5. Brantley should have Taylor ready...he's been on campus for two years and has observed alot. In garbage minutes against Rutgers (I know I know) he had energy and made some good plays..some 3's. Not saying he's a game changer...but he should be a solid player in the system. If he's a poor man's jajuan, I'll be happy
Obviously we're still recruiting the kids so I'd say we're giving ourselves a chance
If we give Neal and Bane scholarships, it only leaves 1 for 17. I'd rather keep all 3 for 17. I don't think Neal will add anything more than Hill did this year and I don't think Bane would even play.
You don't like the kind of attitude that says "... It is great that there are so many good ones and that we are fighting for them, but reality is what it is. The domino effect could easily change things,...?" I don't see that is anything but support and hope mixed with reality - gosh, how can I live with myself?
You left out half of your quote, which I read as, we might as well not even try since we can't compete.
"Not only "not guaranteed," but careful research indicates we are not in the lead for any of those that everyone is so excited about. The likes of KY, MSU, NC, OSU, L'ville, and yes, IU are generally listed, at this point in time,as their leading places to land...."
Others in the thread have suggested we add a transfer pg from NM that has 2 years left. Stats aren't very impressive and we already have 3 pg for next year.
That's exactly why I said that I was happy we were fighting for them. Certainly not that we should not try. It's how it is and will be with any 4-start and up. Edwards is an aberration.
Domino effect indeed. Most of the top guys are SF/PF so it's gonna be one or the other. Plenty of room cause we're not doubling up positions in the same class.
Gotcha. Well we don't need anymore transfer PG's. Sign them out of high school for 4 years
So your with me on the "we should not give scholarships to Bane and Neal"? I just want to get it straight because I feel like I'm talking to a politician.
I consider that an entirely different question from whether we should stop recruiting 4-stars and higher because we are settling for mediocrity.
I would not offer a scholarship to Bane. I don't feel great about one to Neal mostly because I think the position he plays best is not one we need to go reaching for. I would not be upset if we offered him one mostly based on who he was two years ago. It just seems like we are stacking players up in the same positions. I suspect, based on history, that there will be another scholarship open for the '17 class but I in no way predict how that will happen.
I think to expect for us to get more than one of the ten we are hot for in '17 is a stretch ... but I also respect how we have gotten Haas and C. Edwards .... and Swanni ...
I think we have a better chance at Goodwin than anyone. But I respect your thoughts on Williams
Can anyone give me a solid opinion of why Bane shouldn't be added? If you are only basing it because he is rated as 2 star player, he plays at literally one of the smallest high schools in the state and received little to no attention that way. If you do a bit of research and read some write ups about him, they are all high on his ability to get to the bucket and distribute/finish. He is 6'5 and 225. When I spoke to someone in the know, he said he is a better shooting and more athletic version of Raphael Davis. He will eventually be a very good player if signed to Purdue as a true combo guard. You don't just average 30 points your senior year and nearly 25 your entire high school career (3 years) and not have some ability.
I don't think adding another transfer pg is the answer to be honest. The qualities that are needed to be a vast improvement at the position will transfer to programs like Duke, Maryland, MSU, etc. Purdue will be left with players like Octeus and Hill that are quality players but aren't going to make a difference. PJ is serviceable at the point if he makes another off season of improvement next year along with having Edwards learn and come along behind him. Eventually, having Edwards and Bane who can get in the lane and finish/distribute along with each of them being able to knock down jumpers is what Purdue needs. I get that the 17 class is loaded but I am definitely not holding my breath on them stepping on campus. Holding out for a few guys and being the bridesmaid left Purdue with Donnie Hale, Jacob Lawson, and a few others that turned to program in to a joke. Painter doesn't have the ability to swing and miss and lock another player up. He isn't Izzo, Matta, or Crean when it comes to recruiting prowess that way. But what he is very good at is finding players others may have missed it haven't evaluated yet. If Bane is offered, it would mean he fits a skill set that Painter likes and wants.
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If we don't get Williams, I will be surprised... CMP has been to most of his games and has done well with FW kids.
He plays near Univ of Dayton, Xavier, Cincinnati, Butler (who signed Cooper Neese from Cloverdale for the same position), IU .... and none of them show any interest. I struggle to think that all of them are missing this diamond in the rough.
I know ... I just hear MSU is there and he likes them a lot .... but who knows what opp will be there after next year. That's part of the domino effect.
I have only seen Neal play once (against us) but I was very impressed by his court vision and toughness.
Dont really give a crap about how many stars Bane has. I bet some of the same people who are saying we shouldn't take a 2 star have also been saying how we made a mistake in not offering Nic Moore. Painter gets blasted no matter what.
Dont really give a crap about how many stars Bane has. I bet some of the same people who are saying we shouldn't take a 2 star have also been saying how we made a mistake in not offering Nic Moore. Painter gets blasted no matter what.
For one, I've seen him listed at 6'2 by some. My link from another post also said he's only 210lbs. I know for a fact that most schools list kids bigger than they are for recruiting reasons. Not saying he doesn't have ability. But believe me, if you have skill, D1 coaches will find you. With him they haven't. My guess is he has some obvious chinks in his game. There is a big difference in dropping 30 on some small farm schools vs playing in the B1G.
I was shocked when Butler offered Cooper Neese. I've watched him for 7 years. Great kid. Good player. Plays at Cloverdale HS and on a Christian AAU team, so not much exposure. I just don't see him close to a Butler level, but there he is. They found him somehow. We shall see .....
I hope so. We needed him in there during our 2nd half collapses this season. Need that guy going 110% all the time no matter the circumstances.
Just adding interesting info .... Bane is not on the list of top 20 players in Indiana. Cooper Neese is #7 with these stats -
7. Cooper Neese, Cloverdale: The 6-3 Butler recruit is one of the top shooters in the class. Neese is averaging 28.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 3.5 steals and 2.2 assists as a junior.
Others on the list ....
6. Jalen Adaway, Logansport: The 6-5 Adaway picked up interest over the summer and was offered by IUPUI, Ball State, Evansville and New Orleans. Adaway is averaging 20.7 points, 8.7 rebounds and 3.5 assists as a junior.
5. Zach Gunn, Hamilton Southeastern: The 6-6 Gunn is averaging 18.6 points, 8.6 rebounds and his shooting 35 percent (25-for-72) from the 3-point line as a junior. Indiana, IUPUI and Saint Louis have offered Gunn, who recently visited Bloomington.
8. Sasha Stefanovic, Crown Point: The 6-4 Stefanovic is a name to know in the class. He has picked up offers from Brown, Columbia, Evansville, Holy Cross and IUPUI.
9. Ra Kpedi, Lawrence North: The 6-9 Kpedi continues to improve and in-state programs Butler, Indiana and Purdue have kept tabs. He has offers so far from Cornell, IUPUI, Monmouth, New Orleans and Western Illinois.
10. Jack Nunge, Castle: The 6-9 Nunge is having a big junior season, averaging 20.0 points, 11.2 rebounds and 3.9 blocked shots. Nunge has offers from Ball State, Clemson, Evansville, Iowa, Vanderbilt and Vermont.
11. Justin Roberts, Pike: The 6-foot Roberts is a lightning-quick guard with offers from Drake and Western Illinois so far. Roberts is averaging 16.4 points, 3.9 assists and 2.3 steals this season.
12. Kobe Webster, Park Tudor: The 6-foot Webster is averaging 15.9 points and 3.1 assists this season. His offer list includes Ball State and Cornell so far.
13. Jaylen Butz, Fort Wayne North Side: The 6-9 Butz is a talented player. He has offers from Ball State and Kent State.
14. Jermaine Couisnard, East Chicago Central: The 6-2 Couisnard can shoot it. He has offers from DePaul, Morehead State and New Mexico State.
15. Parker Hazen, Columbia City: Hazen, the 6-7 brother of Brachen Hazen, has an offer from IUPUI. He is averaging 15.5 points and 6.1 rebounds.
7. Cooper Neese, Cloverdale: The 6-3 Butler recruit is one of the top shooters in the class. Neese is averaging 28.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 3.5 steals and 2.2 assists as a junior.
Others on the list ....
6. Jalen Adaway, Logansport: The 6-5 Adaway picked up interest over the summer and was offered by IUPUI, Ball State, Evansville and New Orleans. Adaway is averaging 20.7 points, 8.7 rebounds and 3.5 assists as a junior.
5. Zach Gunn, Hamilton Southeastern: The 6-6 Gunn is averaging 18.6 points, 8.6 rebounds and his shooting 35 percent (25-for-72) from the 3-point line as a junior. Indiana, IUPUI and Saint Louis have offered Gunn, who recently visited Bloomington.
8. Sasha Stefanovic, Crown Point: The 6-4 Stefanovic is a name to know in the class. He has picked up offers from Brown, Columbia, Evansville, Holy Cross and IUPUI.
9. Ra Kpedi, Lawrence North: The 6-9 Kpedi continues to improve and in-state programs Butler, Indiana and Purdue have kept tabs. He has offers so far from Cornell, IUPUI, Monmouth, New Orleans and Western Illinois.
10. Jack Nunge, Castle: The 6-9 Nunge is having a big junior season, averaging 20.0 points, 11.2 rebounds and 3.9 blocked shots. Nunge has offers from Ball State, Clemson, Evansville, Iowa, Vanderbilt and Vermont.
11. Justin Roberts, Pike: The 6-foot Roberts is a lightning-quick guard with offers from Drake and Western Illinois so far. Roberts is averaging 16.4 points, 3.9 assists and 2.3 steals this season.
12. Kobe Webster, Park Tudor: The 6-foot Webster is averaging 15.9 points and 3.1 assists this season. His offer list includes Ball State and Cornell so far.
13. Jaylen Butz, Fort Wayne North Side: The 6-9 Butz is a talented player. He has offers from Ball State and Kent State.
14. Jermaine Couisnard, East Chicago Central: The 6-2 Couisnard can shoot it. He has offers from DePaul, Morehead State and New Mexico State.
15. Parker Hazen, Columbia City: Hazen, the 6-7 brother of Brachen Hazen, has an offer from IUPUI. He is averaging 15.5 points and 6.1 rebounds.
Full disclosure, I am friends with a member of Desmond's family, and he grew up across the street from my older sister and her family. He and my nephew (who is NOT D1 material lol) have been friends their whole lives, and playing hoops together since they were children. Pretty sure Desmond is trying to date my niece, but that's another story.
Anyway, I agree to a certain extent RE those schools, and the question as to why he has no big(ger) D1 offers. I mean, Dayton is right there, 30 min from Richmond. Maybe it is the "farm school" thing, and the fact that overall his competition has not been top tier in IN. He is 6' 5" tho, and 225 or whatever, and his stats can't be denied, but something is holding people back. That much is obvious. As we know, he was invited and visited Purdue a couple times, once being the MSU game, and PU coaches have watched him play a couple times, so they must have enough info to lean one way or the other.
He does have offers from Ohio U., Ball State U., Miami U. (OH), among some other smaller schools. However, I found out today that he has been invited by and will be visiting Northwestern this week.
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Thanks for providing a bit more info on Bane. I truly think he is one that is sliding through the cracks because of a number of different factors...school size and the 2017 class being two of them.
Agree Lyle. If Haas got in foul trouble. Painter would move Swanigan to center and play Edwards at PF going to a smaller lineup.
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