robert phinisee offer

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

But I'm a troll cuz I want Purdue to get to a final four. So will somebody please explain to me what the goal is . Is it just a 20 win season a sweet 16 appearance. I can guarantee you this 9 years from now in his 20th season we all will be talking about the same damn thing. And it won't be how many Final Fours we played in cuz that number will be 0.

I understand your logic in that you want to get to a FF, but let's look closer at some numbers:

There are currently 347 D1 Basketball schools, of which 68 of those get in to the NCAA tourney. All things equal, that leaves 19.5% of all D1 schools will get in to the tourney. When looking at the FF, that leaves just 1.15% of all D1 schools. This means that, in a given year, you MUST be in the top 1% of country to reach a FF. Other than the year Robbie blew his knee out, how many of you could say that Purdue had a team that could be considered in that top 1%? Add in to that historical programs like Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, IU, Syracuse, North Carolina, and recent upstart powerhouses in MSU, Florida, UCONN, Maryland, and Louisville...where does that honestly place Purdue at?

I am in no way saying that the goal for Purdue shouldn't be to make a FF, but looking at things realistically it is incredibly difficult when you take in to consideration the depth of the field and the chips stacked against Purdue for a number of reasons. Mainly, of those high quality programs, Purdue is located between MSU, Kentucky, IU, and Louisville. You could throw in OSU for good measure as Thad Matta has been more successful in the tourney than CMP has been. That means Purdue is competing for all things with those schools, that when looking objectively, are at the same level or better than Purdue.

Purdue is......Purdue. CMP will more than likely have teams that average about 20 wins a season and will pop off a year like this season every 3 to 4 years where expectations are high and the chance to go to a FF or Elite 8 are as good as any one in the country. There is literally NOTHING wrong with that when looking at the ebb and flow of the college basketball landscape! Purdue's goal should be to win the conference EVERY SINGLE YEAR and with that comes a quality seeding in the NCAA tourney. When the tourney starts, all bets are off.

 

[proudopete]

I can read between lines so basically you're saying the Final Four is not the goal at Purdue. Winning conference championships means more. Well somebody go tell Duke that Kentucky that Michigan State that and all the other schools and you can even tell Butler that too. Painter got a fat ass pay raise and you guys are okay with just conference championships. Winning the conference championship don't mean s*** cuz you don't even play everybody twice anymore. And why is it every time somebody gets on here and points problems out about Purdue program they automatically have to be a troll. I'm starting to think you guys are the trolls because you're not wanting to see Purdue do good in the March tournament. Regardless what you think I'm a big time Purdue fan. I'm a Purdue fan that wants to see more.

You must have really been depressed when Keady was here.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I can read between lines so basically you're saying the Final Four is not the goal at Purdue. Winning conference championships means more. Well somebody go tell Duke that Kentucky that Michigan State that and all the other schools and you can even tell Butler that too. Painter got a fat ass pay raise and you guys are okay with just conference championships. Winning the conference championship don't mean s*** cuz you don't even play everybody twice anymore. And why is it every time somebody gets on here and points problems out about Purdue program they automatically have to be a troll. I'm starting to think you guys are the trolls because you're not wanting to see Purdue do good in the March tournament. Regardless what you think I'm a big time Purdue fan. I'm a Purdue fan that wants to see more.

If the Conference Championships don't mean anything, if Purdue won it this year would you complain when the banner gets hung in the rafters? Literally, find something that makes you happy if Purdue basketball makes you this frustrated.

 

[BBG]

I understand your logic in that you want to get to a FF, but let's look closer at some numbers:

There are currently 347 D1 Basketball schools, of which 68 of those get in to the NCAA tourney. All things equal, that leaves 19.5% of all D1 schools will get in to the tourney. When looking at the FF, that leaves just 1.15% of all D1 schools. This means that, in a given year, you MUST be in the top 1% of country to reach a FF. Other than the year Robbie blew his knee out, how many of you could say that Purdue had a team that could be considered in that top 1%? Add in to that historical programs like Kansas, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, IU, Syracuse, North Carolina, and recent upstart powerhouses in MSU, Florida, UCONN, Maryland, and Louisville...where does that honestly place Purdue at?

I am in no way saying that the goal for Purdue shouldn't be to make a FF, but looking at things realistically it is incredibly difficult when you take in to consideration the depth of the field and the chips stacked against Purdue for a number of reasons. Mainly, of those high quality programs, Purdue is located between MSU, Kentucky, IU, and Louisville. You could throw in OSU for good measure as Thad Matta has been more successful in the tourney than CMP has been. That means Purdue is competing for all things with those schools, that when looking objectively, are at the same level or better than Purdue.

Purdue is......Purdue. CMP will more than likely have teams that average about 20 wins a season and will pop off a year like this season every 3 to 4 years where expectations are high and the chance to go to a FF or Elite 8 are as good as any one in the country. There is literally NOTHING wrong with that when looking at the ebb and flow of the college basketball landscape! Purdue's goal should be to win the conference EVERY SINGLE YEAR and with that comes a quality seeding in the NCAA tourney. When the tourney starts, all bets are off.

Good post.

 

[toddbrewster]

I guess I am a dinosaur. I am competitive and I want to win every game. I believe in cheering on every player and every coach and I seldom believe in criticizing unless it is constructive.

To me there is a big difference between the NBA and their developmental league and College Basketball. The MAIN job of a college basketball coach is to develop young men into becoming involved citizens. Through basketball kids learn about improving yourself, so you can contribute to your team winning. You learn about hard work, team work and taking responsibility for yourself.

I want a coach that recruits good character kids and contributes to shape them. I enjoy rooting for these kids.

I love that we should go to the final 8, but more enjoyable is to watch AJ and Haas support each other. Biggie and Edwards helping each other. Mathias and Stephens passing to each other, if the other has a better shot. I love the pride between Hill and PJ for being unsung heroes and holding down the other team's PG. I love to see Cline, the shooter, grab a couple of tough rebounds. I love the example Davis sets for the rest of the team.

I have been vocal in wanting more twin towers, but Matt is the coach and he sculptured this team and I am happy to be called a fan.

 

[TC4THREE]

If you haven't done it within 11 season chances are you're never going to do it.

Bo Ryan says hi.

There is a HUGE difference between taking a team there while coaching at a basketball factory like UNC or Kentucky compared to taking a Wisconsin or Purdue there. Maybe you're arguing that Purdue should do whatever it takes to make itself as attractive to any/every five-star recruit it can get so we can increase our chances of going to a Final Four. If that's what you think I can't argue with you. It's a matter of opinion. I just disagree. I don't want our players taking fake classes or being set up with hookers on their official visits. Recruiting isn't a level playing field and I think Purdue is going to be a tougher sell to an elite recruit with options for reasons that go well beyond the weather. I'm fine with that. If that means that we peak at the Sweet Sixteen most years with occasional years where we can hope beyond that, I am fine with that. The Final Four isn't the end-all-be-all of my existence. I've seen Painter put together a team that was in line to get there (without a five star on the roster) and think that the longer he can sustain a successful program at Purdue the odds of him putting together another such roster increases.

 

[tjreese]

I get it. I really do. But the tourney is too easily manipulated. It's an invitational tourney no different than Maui, Alaska, or the NIT to me. To much emphasis was placed on the money of the tourney and less on Basketball.

I am just sayin judging a coach on Tourney results is a mistake. So if Purdue gets a favorable bracket and gets to the Final Four he is suddenly a great coach? Weber an Crean have both made a FF4!

knowing little to nil about the team you wish to prepare for in a hand selected pairing is more about talent than a coach's abilities to coach when his data base is empty and making hunches based upon more assumptions than normal such as conference teams or teams that you regularly play against. Players play a role too...

 

[tjreese]

I guess I am a dinosaur. I am competitive and I want to win every game. I believe in cheering on every player and every coach and I seldom believe in criticizing unless it is constructive.

To me there is a big difference between the NBA and their developmental league and College Basketball. The MAIN job of a college basketball coach is to develop young men into becoming involved citizens. Through basketball kids learn about improving yourself, so you can contribute to your team winning. You learn about hard work, team work and taking responsibility for yourself.

I want a coach that recruits good character kids and contributes to shape them. I enjoy rooting for these kids.

I love that we should go to the final 8, but more enjoyable is to watch AJ and Haas support each other. Biggie and Edwards helping each other. Mathias and Stephens passing to each other, if the other has a better shot. I love the pride between Hill and PJ for being unsung heroes and holding down the other team's PG. I love to see Cline, the shooter, grab a couple of tough rebounds. I love the example Davis sets for the rest of the team.

I have been vocal in wanting more twin towers, but Matt is the coach and he sculptured this team and I am happy to be called a fan.

I have a lot of respect for the players on this team, but do wish them much success as you say.

 

[proudopete]

knowing little to nil about the team you wish to prepare for in a hand selected pairing is more about talent than a coach's abilities to coach when his data base is empty and making hunches based upon more assumptions than normal such as conference teams or teams that you regularly play against. Players play a role too...

You keep saying this over and over as if there was less tape on teams outside the conference then teams in the conference.
Sure they will have less time to study it. But no coach is going to have to play Kansas or Duke and not know exactly what they are trying to do.
Maybe in the 80's. Today, not so much.

 

[tjreese]

You keep saying this over and over as if there was less tape on teams outside the conference then teams in the conference.
Sure they will have less time to study it. But no coach is going to have to play Kansas or Duke and not know exactly what they are trying to do.
Maybe in the 80's. Today, not so much.

not only is there less tape as you agree, but the actual experience of testing your hypothesis and adjusting based upon reality as opposed to theoretical by actual results are missing. No question that more tape of seeing someone playing someone else that may or may not be similar to your players or style is better today than years ago. Bottom line as I stated before...there is less knowledge and more guesswork in playing teams outside your conference than in. If you think a coaches ability is better qualified when he and the opposing coaches and players know less than when they know more and can actually plan with increased insight, then I'm unsure how to reason with you the assumptions at play. I think you think coaching is just x and o's without any qualifiers like talent and a tape can tell all you need to do? In my personal experience scouting a few times really helps, but a few times doesn't make me as familiar with more than a few times AND when employing what may work against another team that showed the same thing my talent may or may not be able to do the same things as a team and as individuals on the team.

If you only have a hammer in your tool box, every problem looks like a nail. If your tool box has more tools then suddenly every problem is not a nail. I keep saying what I do because I believe it to be true through experience and logic. I think the feasible question is to what weighting does coaching play in a game inside a conference and outside and that is much more fleeting. It appears to me that you are of the opinion that "TAPE" is all that is needed and if that were true...coaches would not talk to other coaches to get more insight since experience is technically more insight than tape alone... We will probably never agree and that is fine. I think more fans would agree with you and certainly the media hype would sell it as well...I'm a minority I know...

 

[proudopete]

not only is there less tape as you agree, but the actual experience of testing your hypothesis and adjusting based upon reality as opposed to theoretical by actual results are missing. No question that more tape of seeing someone playing someone else that may or may not be similar to your players or style is better today than years ago. Bottom line as I stated before...there is less knowledge and more guesswork in playing teams outside your conference than in. If you think a coaches ability is better qualified when he and the opposing coaches and players know less than when they know more and can actually plan with increased insight, then I'm unsure how to reason with you the assumptions at play. I think you think coaching is just x and o's without any qualifiers like talent and a tape can tell all you need to do? In my personal experience scouting a few times really helps, but a few times doesn't make me as familiar with more than a few times AND when employing what may work against another team that showed the same thing my talent may or may not be able to do the same things as a team and as individuals on the team.

If you only have a hammer in your tool box, every problem looks like a nail. If your tool box has more tools then suddenly every problem is not a nail. I keep saying what I do because I believe it to be true through experience and logic. I think the feasible question is to what weighting does coaching play in a game inside a conference and outside and that is much more fleeting. It appears to me that you are of the opinion that "TAPE" is all that is needed and if that were true...coaches would not talk to other coaches to get more insight since experience is technically more insight than tape alone... We will probably never agree and that is fine. I think more fans would agree with you and certainly the media hype would sell it as well...I'm a minority I know...

My "tape" comment was in regards to your assumption that teams go into tourney games blind or more blind then conference games.
Every D1 team has a paid position called video coordinator. That job is nothing more then archiving video and editing it for study sessions.
So if we play Thursday after finding out who we play Sunday. We will have plenty of time to both gather video, find the strengths and weaknesses, and even taken with other coaches who are more familiar with said team.
The coaches also watch games through the year and take notes whether mentally or literally. They know what the good teams want to do and what they struggle at long before they are chosen to play.
Now a lower seeded team may be more difficult to scout as it's harder I predict which ones will be in the tourney.
But right now, coaches have a pretty good idea of who will be chosen and are making preparations well in advance.
If we play MSU and they have an injury to Forbes the day before the game. We are more blind going into the game as the adjustments that will be made then if we play WVU in the second round.

So I don't see how the tourney is any different then the conference other then you know who you will play well in advance. The preparation is the same and In most cases contains the same amount of info and study of video.

Once the selectors are made. The video guy will be preparing for each and every team that is in the bracket.
The only game that may be rushed at all will be the first game.
If we were a lower seed. I can see how that may be an issue. But this year it shouldn't be as we should be favored in the first round.
I get what you are trying to say. But I don't see it as big of an issue as it was in the past, as teams are well prepared come tourney time. We should have a good idea of who we may play and video for many teams two eels brides selection Sunday.
Unless our video guy is incompetent. I don't see it as being an issue.

 

[tjreese]

My "tape" comment was in regards to your assumption that teams go into tourney games blind or more blind then conference games.
Every D1 team has a paid position called video coordinator. That job is nothing more then archiving video and editing it for study sessions.
So if we play Thursday after finding out who we play Sunday. We will have plenty of time to both gather video, find the strengths and weaknesses, and even taken with other coaches who are more familiar with said team.
The coaches also watch games through the year and take notes whether mentally or literally. They know what the good teams want to do and what they struggle at long before they are chosen to play.
Now a lower seeded team may be more difficult to scout as it's harder I predict which ones will be in the tourney.
But right now, coaches have a pretty good idea of who will be chosen and are making preparations well in advance.
If we play MSU and they have an injury to Forbes the day before the game. We are more blind going into the game as the adjustments that will be made then if we play WVU in the second round.

So I don't see how the tourney is any different then the conference other then you know who you will play well in advance. The preparation is the same and In most cases contains the same amount of info and study of video.

Once the selectors are made. The video guy will be preparing for each and every team that is in the bracket.
The only game that may be rushed at all will be the first game.
If we were a lower seed. I can see how that may be an issue. But this year it shouldn't be as we should be favored in the first round.
I get what you are trying to say. But I don't see it as big of an issue as it was in the past, as teams are well prepared come tourney time. We should have a good idea of who we may play and video for many teams two eels brides selection Sunday.
Unless our video guy is incompetent. I don't see it as being an issue.

now it appears you are trying to quantify that it isn't as big an issue as in the past and I have no disagreement with that general thought. so, how big is not as big? when forbes goes down, Purdue coaches AND players not only know him, but the other players and have already played against the guy that takes Forbes place. If you believe that conference teams know more about the coaches AND players than outside the conference...whatever that amount of "more knowledge" and you think that the tourney where it is admitted to "some degree" less knowledge of the opposing team and players is a better measure of a coach then it only follows that the measure of a good coach in ending up with the right format based upon less (not arguing how much) information and ignoring the player effect as well.

Don't get hung up on the magnitude, but consider the direction of the premise and perhaps you will follow what I'm saying more thoroughly. You may think it is negligible that difference in knowledge, but I don't. What I can't do is tell you the magnitude of that coaches knowledge on winning...just the direction

What I can't say is the weighting player and coach in tourney or conference...

 

[Dakota Girl]

It's the coach not the school. California hasn't been a good basketball program since Jason Kidd. So how can Cuonzo Martin recruit five star players there but painter can't do it here. He also had a five star player come to Tennessee. So once again it's not the school it's the coach. So many excuses for this dude I don't get it. 9 years from now when he's in his 20th season tell me this are we going to have the same excuses for him.

Have ever been to Cal? Not a bad place to enjoy a few years of your youth.

 

[boilercss]

Just wanted to reiterate the reason I started this thread....Purdue has offered '18 point guard Robert Phinisee. Local product out of McCutcheon HS. Can we comment on this topic...or not at all please. Thanks

 

[tjreese]

Just wanted to reiterate the reason I started this thread....Purdue has offered '18 point guard Robert Phinisee. Local product out of McCutcheon HS. Can we comment on this topic...or not at all please. Thanks

I think in page one before MANY other topics were discussed the general consensus was that most were unaware. Myself, I was aware, but had not seen him. I did offer what was said to me by some Kokomo coaches last year...maybe a week after they played?

 

[Schnelk]

How big is Phinisee?

 

[Heller]

Have ever been to Cal? Not a bad place to enjoy a few years of your youth.

Amen. Berkeley is an amazing school and campus and San Fran is a big draw as well. Plus Zo is a guy a lot of mamas want their babies to play for.

 

[Travisty13]

Just wanted to reiterate the reason I started this thread....Purdue has offered '18 point guard Robert Phinisee. Local product out of McCutcheon HS. Can we comment on this topic...or not at all please. Thanks

I'm pretty excited about it. As a McCutcheon graduate, would love to see a kid from my HS come to Purdue and be successful.

 

[boilercss]

How big is Phinisee?

I believe he's currently listed at 5'11

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I'm pretty excited about it. As a McCutcheon graduate, would love to see a kid from my HS come to Purdue and be successful.

Especially since you would be late to the party...Bobby Buckets and HHS say HELLO! I am a 2002 grad of HHS though

 

[bonefish1]

It's the coach not the school. California hasn't been a good basketball program since Jason Kidd. So how can Cuonzo Martin recruit five star players there but painter can't do it here. He also had a five star player come to Tennessee. So once again it's not the school it's the coach. So many excuses for this dude I don't get it. 9 years from now when he's in his 20th season tell me this are we going to have the same excuses for him.

Absolutely agree 275%!
It's all about the coach! Yes, some school name recognition doesn't hurt, but 95% of it is the coaches ability to sell the opportunity, his style and maybe help the kid get to the next level.
Hard work from the players will only get you so far, eventually talent will win out.
I like Painter, but I'm starting to wonder if he's too similar to Keady. I wouldn't mind seeing the next hire be from completely outside the program.
Granted a FF run this year or next will silence all the critics, but I gotta think it's more than just bad luck that we haven't been to a FF in 35 years with what most would consider to be a traditionally, solid, periodically very good program/team.

 

[boilerzz]

Absolutely agree 275%!
It's all about the coach! Yes, some school name recognition doesn't hurt, but 95% of it is the coaches ability to sell the opportunity

Not a math major, huh?

 

[bonefish1]

Not a math major, huh?

Sorry, probably a little above your head. I'll try to simplify it for you next time.

 

[boilerzz]

Sorry, probably a little above your head. I'll try to simplify it for you next time.

 

[bonefish1]

Hope you and your buddy can find some chicks for your beer night.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Not a math major, huh?

That reminds me of one of my favorite all-time SNL skits covering the '88 Republican debate.

One of the parts had Phil Hartman (RIP) as Jack Kemp (partially pictured below) talking about the budget.....something like

"just like on the field, you can get that budget to give 150% to 200%......that way you can spend 50% on the military, 50% on infrastructure, 50% on tax cuts, and still have more left over......."

Of course, Akroyd stole the show as Bob Dole.......a genuine classic.

 

[TC4THREE]

Just wanted to reiterate the reason I started this thread....Purdue has offered '18 point guard Robert Phinisee. Local product out of McCutcheon HS. Can we comment on this topic...or not at all please. Thanks

What do you want comment on? You stated a fact. Yes. Purdue did offer him. We all agree. Perhaps others can expand the discussion further?

 

[tjreese]

Especially since you would be late to the party...Bobby Buckets and HHS say HELLO! I am a 2002 grad of HHS though

timelines getting blurry for me. Was it Curt Ogden or Phil Waddell that was AD back then?

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

HAH! My father was actually the principal at HHS from 1988-1991. Jerry Galema has been the AD here as long as I can remember.

What year did you graduate from MHS? I taught there for a year in 2009.

 

[tjreese]

HAH! My father was actually the principal at HHS from 1988-1991. Jerry Galema has been the AD here as long as I can remember.

What year did you graduate from MHS? I taught there for a year in 2009.

sorry I'm off base...thought HHS was Hamilton Heights School? However, it was Harrison High School...

 

[B-Westy]

HAH! My father was actually the principal at HHS from 1988-1991. Jerry Galema has been the AD here as long as I can remember.

What year did you graduate from MHS? I taught there for a year in 2009.

My freshman year was 09-10. What did you teach?

 

[Travisty13]

HAH! My father was actually the principal at HHS from 1988-1991. Jerry Galema has been the AD here as long as I can remember.

What year did you graduate from MHS? I taught there for a year in 2009.

I graduated in '02.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Ber

HAH! My father was actually the principal at HHS from 1988-1991. Jerry Galema has been the AD here as long as I can remember.

What year did you graduate from MHS? I taught there for a year in 2009.

Bernie Grazer before Jerry ...

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Yes, Mr. Grazer! Thanks for refreshing my memory.

Teach social studies, specifically World History and Sociology.

 

[boilermaker75]

Oh yeah 11 seasons is plenty enough time to get to a final four . If you haven't done it within 11 season chances are you're never going to do it. And Martin is already showed that he can recruit better than painter. Painter has 11 season at one school he should already be established as a good recruiter by now and he has not done that yet. Give Cuonzo Martin 11 years at one school watch what happens. Correct me if I'm wrong but who was our assistant coach when the baby boilers was recruited.

and Lewis Jackson.

 

[gelesen]

Oh yeah 11 seasons is plenty enough time to get to a final four . If you haven't done it within 11 season chances are you're never going to do it. And Martin is already showed that he can recruit better than painter. Painter has 11 season at one school he should already be established as a good recruiter by now and he has not done that yet. Give Cuonzo Martin 11 years at one school watch what happens. Correct me if I'm wrong but who was our assistant coach when the baby boilers was recruited.

It took Jim Boeheim 25 years.

 

[toddbrewster]

People may say that Boeheim is a great recruiter, he is great at X and O, he knows how to manage the game and he is great at this and that. In my book, Boeheim is a terrible coach, who uses kids to win games and could care less about the kid off the court. If Boeheim or someone with his principles takes over Purdue and we go back to back final fours. I do wish someone would tell me, because I will not be watching or even reading about how we degraded ourselves.

 

[jroad31]

Just wanted to reiterate the reason I started this thread....Purdue has offered '18 point guard Robert Phinisee. Local product out of McCutcheon HS. Can we comment on this topic...or not at all please. Thanks

I've seen him play in person several times this year. He's about 5'11, but lanky and looks to have lots of room to grow physically. Very explosive; not in terms of jumping, but in terms of quickness and getting to the rim at will. Excellent ball handler, finisher, and has great body control. Has really improved his jumper/three-point shot since last year, and will only get better. What really impresses me is that he has a great sense of when to take over a game and when to get his teammates (of which he has many talented ones) involved. Last week on the road against Logansport, against another D1 prospect in a hostile environment, he single-handedly kept his team in the game through three quarters. Then some of his teammates started hitting shots so he distributed a bit more and they pulled away easily in the 4th. He ended up with 30, making it look effortless. Logansport at the time was unbeaten and ranked 4th in the state. It was really impressive.

 

[oldboiler52]

I've seen him play in person several times this year. He's about 5'11, but lanky and looks to have lots of room to grow physically. Very explosive; not in terms of jumping, but in terms of quickness and getting to the rim at will. Excellent ball handler, finisher, and has great body control. Has really improved his jumper/three-point shot since last year, and will only get better. What really impresses me is that he has a great sense of when to take over a game and when to get his teammates (of which he has many talented ones). Last week on the road against Logansport, against another D1 prospect in a hostile environment, he single-handedly kept his team in the game through three quarters. Then some of his teammates started hitting shots so he distributed a bit more and they pulled away easily in the 4th. He ended up with 30, making it look effortless. Logansport at the time was unbeaten and ranked 4th in the state. It was really impressive.

The other kid from the Berries is Jalen Ataway and Purdue has been watching him for a few years . FWIW ! Your evaluation of Rob is spot on . Have you seen Joseph his younger Brother play ? Kid is a 7th grader just awesome .

 

[JohnHoosierr]

So then obviously Brown and Rabb would be at Purdue today if Martin was coach, right? Everything else being the same, Painter goes to Mizzou and Purdue hires Martin then the players Martin was able to get to come to Cal would be at Purdue?

Your post makes zero sense. I said nice weather is a not much of a factor in these kids decision. Doubt those kids chose to go to cal simply because of the weather.