Purdue's projected starting lineup and rotation

[nagemj02]

I'm going to toss out a totally different lineup based on talent and a switch to our guards being our first scoring option, and others being complementary. Guards win NCAA championships, not big men. And this is in part based on no loyalty to seniors i.e. Davis going from being a starter to a bench player as a senior. Contrary to other line-ups, this keeps V Edwards at SF, and brings Ewing in to be a banger inside and allow the back court to score, Haas to pick up garbage shots off rebounds rather than being expected to be a scoring option and allows CE and Eastern to be the focal point and creaters. I think the majority of stats are overrated. I also believe experience is overrated. Biggie started as a freshmen, so can Eastern. Many people wanted C Edwards to start this year.

This is my preferred line-up, not the one I believe Painter will employ, as it makes both Mathias and Thompson come off the bench. I believe we have seen that freshman can be successful as starters in the NCAA. I believe Eastern has the talent to be one of those type of players. I believe Eastern has the talent to be a one and done player if given the opportunity.

A lot will depend if our incoming freshmen will participate on our university games team. I know Haarmes will not. If Purdue pulls off a miracle, and signs McCoy, he will start at PF. I look for Sasha and Ondigo to red shirt or play sparingly. I look for Cline to play sparingly. I could envision A shift of Mathias to SF and VEdwards to PF as a small ball line-up, But that would place a lot of pressure on Haas to be dominant in the paint, and I don't see that happening. Purdue needs another inside banger to play along side Haas and I don't see V Edwards as that inside banger. And although he has a lot of talent, I see Wheeler watching and waiting his freshman year. And we must remember Ewing is not a freshman. This line-up is based on Eastern surpassing every one on this board's expectations of him.

PG: Eastern, Thompson
SG: C Edwards, Mathias
SF: V Edwards, Wheeler
PF: Ewing, Haarmes
C: Haas, Taylor

I am with you on most of this except if somehow Brandon McCoy chose Purdue, I think he could work his way in as the starting 5...

(assuming Painter doesn't go to any of his coaching colleagues this offseason and asks them how to teach different defenses, he will probably still have Haas defending ball screens and hedging out on the perimeter and Haas will either get beat on the perimeter by bigs with shooting range or beat by someone 1-5 driving to the hoop after the high-ball screen more often than not and subsequently get benched because of it, even though it's not really his fault that he's forced to do that at his size)

...unless Painter is hell-bent on starting Haas at the 5 every game because he's a senior.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Surprised nobody has done the ever-popular breakdown-by-minutes yet. These things are rarely constant and usually evolve as the season goes along. Just look at this past season.

Good point. I say Mathias and VE lead the way with 32.5 minutes a game, followed by PJ with 28...

 

[daisyrail1619]

Don't forget the 1% chance that we're back to this season's lineup. Just kidding.

 

[boilerbusdriver]

I'm going to toss out a totally different lineup based on talent and a switch to our guards being our first scoring option, and others being complementary. Guards win NCAA championships, not big men. And this is in part based on no loyalty to seniors i.e. Davis going from being a starter to a bench player as a senior. Contrary to other line-ups, this keeps V Edwards at SF, and brings Ewing in to be a banger inside and allow the back court to score, Haas to pick up garbage shots off rebounds rather than being expected to be a scoring option and allows CE and Eastern to be the focal point and creaters. I think the majority of stats are overrated. I also believe experience is overrated. Biggie started as a freshmen, so can Eastern. Many people wanted C Edwards to start this year.

This is my preferred line-up, not the one I believe Painter will employ, as it makes both Mathias and Thompson come off the bench. I believe we have seen that freshman can be successful as starters in the NCAA. I believe Eastern has the talent to be one of those type of players. I believe Eastern has the talent to be a one and done player if given the opportunity.

A lot will depend if our incoming freshmen will participate on our university games team. I know Haarmes will not. If Purdue pulls off a miracle, and signs McCoy, he will start at PF. I look for Sasha and Ondigo to red shirt or play sparingly. I look for Cline to play sparingly. I could envision A shift of Mathias to SF and VEdwards to PF as a small ball line-up, But that would place a lot of pressure on Haas to be dominant in the paint, and I don't see that happening. Purdue needs another inside banger to play along side Haas and I don't see V Edwards as that inside banger. And although he has a lot of talent, I see Wheeler watching and waiting his freshman year. And we must remember Ewing is not a freshman. This line-up is based on Eastern surpassing every one on this board's expectations of him.

PG: Eastern, Thompson
SG: C Edwards, Mathias
SF: V Edwards, Wheeler
PF: Ewing, Haarmes
C: Haas, Taylor

Couldn't agree more on Cline, he had some great shots in different games, but he is streaky, but also slowww, with the athletic players coming in, me thinks more pine time for Cline.

 

[PurduePeteBsie87]

I think ANY zone with Haas outside of a 2-3 and you have problems. if you play a 3-2, the back two must be able to guard the corner off a pass and that puts Haas way out there quickly and vulnerable to a drive...course I have major reservations with pure zones anyway...

Good, now this thread has talked about zones and Taylor as a major contributor ...... there ya go.....well done Boilers.

I think people are almost as enthralled with Taylor, as they were with Lawson.

 

[Wolegib]

I'm beginning to understand why despite his great shooting ability in high school why cline was not rated that high or heavily recruited by the elite power house teams!

 

[BoilerStation]

I think people are almost as enthralled with Taylor, as they were with Lawson.

Lawson had a very high ceiling and elite level athleticism. I think he blocked like 500 shots in 3 years of high school. He never really recovered from his injury and that put a damper on his overall potential. I guess Taylor can be compared because he too has suffered injuries but I don't think they will affect his overall game like Lawson's did him assuming Taylor can actually play. The main difference is that Taylor loves it here at Purdue and is dedicated to working hard and improving himself. Lawson left so he couldn't have enjoyed his time too much.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

Without Biggie (I don't think the door is completely closed there)...

1 PJ 22 CE 12 NE 6
2 CE 14 RC 18 DM 6 NE 2
3 DM 22 NE 8 VE 4 AW 6
4 VE 24 AW 8 EE 8
5 IH 24 MH 10 JT 6

Final #s
Dakota 28
Vince 28
Carsen 26
Isaac 24
PJ 22
Cline 18
Nojel 16
Wheeler 14
Haarms 10
Ewing 8
Taylor 6
SS Redshirt?

This is just one iteration. My numbers will probably change every time I think about them. One key: In big games, you have guys like Dakota playing 37 minutes, but there will be other games in which he'll play fewer (pre-conference, especially). Hence, his 28-minute average.

 

[BoilerStation]

Without Biggie (I don't think the door is completely closed there)...

1 PJ 22 CE 12 NE 6
2 CE 14 RC 18 DM 6 NE 2
3 DM 22 NE 8 VE 4 AW 6
4 VE 24 AW 8 EE 8
5 IH 24 MH 10 JT 6

Final #s
Dakota 28
Vince 28
Carsen 26
Isaac 24
PJ 22
Cline 18
Nojel 16
Wheeler 14
Haarms 10
Ewing 8
Taylor 6
SS Redshirt?

This is just one iteration. My numbers will probably change every time I think about them. One key: In big games, you have guys like Dakota playing 37 minutes, but there will be other games in which he'll play fewer (pre-conference, especially). Hence, his 28-minute average.

Damn I could see Vince and Mathias averaging 30 a game. Just not enough minutes to go around. If we add another big man to this years class there are even fewer unless we add a second redshirt.

 

[Wolegib]

Damn I could see Vince and Mathias averaging 30 a game. Just not enough minutes to go around. If we add another big man to this years class there are even fewer unless we add a second redshirt.

I like the numbers of your first 5! I believe Cline's numbers will drop significantly to about 8-10 and Eastern moving up 2 to 20mins, with Dakota and Eastern getting more of their mins at SG, and VEdwards getting more of his mins at SF.

One of the great things I see is flexibility. With the exceptions of Haas, Ewing, Cline, and PJ, I see every player getting minutes at multiple positions. I see a lot of interchangeable parts.

The biggest question is PF. I can see both Wheeler and Haarms getting mins there along with Taylor and Ewing. I would prefer V Edwards remain our primary SF, but that would cut into our back court mins. I see Haarms more as a PF than as a backup center. It will be interesting to see who Painter signs to replace biggie. Signing McCoy (doubtful, but still possible) would change everything. Signing Ondigo would take 4 mins away from Wheeler and Haarms.

 

[Dakota Girl]

1 PJ 22 CE 12 NE 6
2 CE 14 RC 18 DM 6 NE 2
3 DM 22 NE 8 VE 4 AW 6
4 VE 24 AW 8 EE 8
5 IH 24 MH 10 JT 6

Ben,
Not all that I have written below is responding to your thoughts as some of it is related to other posts I've seen in this thread. Yeah, confusing, I know.
I'm not going to dive into the minutes distribution, too much math for a Friday and you did it well, but I like that your lineup only puts one post player on the floor at a time.
I saw some people concerned that Vince gets to play the 3 spot for his NBA development. I don't think it matters at all if we label him 3 or 4. It's just a number on the TV graphics. He will guard whoever he fits best, 3 or 4, and he will be guarded by whoever the opponent coach thinks is best. It may be a 3 or a 4.
Offensively it doesn't matter as we will see a lot of 4 out and with Haarms in some 5 out. No worries about Vince not getting to face the rim.

 

[samcboiler]

Highly doubt that it is just a coincidence that Ondigo is on a visit tomorrow when Biggie is making his announcement. My guess is that will determine if Ondigo gets an offer or not. That offer may in fact be conditional with the five star player (name escapes me right now) throwing Purdue in his final mix.

If I was guessing, I would think if Biggie is gone...CMP is on the phone immediately with the five star player to get him on campus ASAP. If he makes mention he had legit interest, the offer to Ondigo is conditional after that visit. If the five star player says he is either going to wait even longer or has no real interest, I think the offer goes to Ondigo to get him on campus.

Either way, I like the situation CMP has put himself and the program in. In the odd chance Biggie comes back because he feels he has work still to do, then you have the best returning player in college basketball added to a better and fuller roster around him. If that's he case, Purdue immediately becomes a national title contender and probable top 8 team.

My guess: 99.99% sure Biggie is gone to the NBA with no agent considering Barnes is an agent.

Johnny - You have my vote as the best / most knowledgeable poster on this board. There are a few really good ones on here but you take the cake. Keep em coming...

 

[Dakota Girl]

Johnny - You have my vote as the best / most knowledgeable poster on this board. There are a few really good ones on here but you take the cake. Keep em coming...

Yep, Johnny is good. But SamC, if that's you in your avatar, you have the best butt...ever.
If that's not you, well, then, uh...how about those Bears?

 

[Ben Shadeland]

Ben,
Not all that I have written below is responding to your thoughts as some of it is related to other posts I've seen in this thread. Yeah, confusing, I know.
I'm not going to dive into the minutes distribution, too much math for a Friday and you did it well, but I like that your lineup only puts one post player on the floor at a time.
I saw some people concerned that Vince gets to play the 3 spot for his NBA development. I don't think it matters at all if we label him 3 or 4. It's just a number on the TV graphics. He will guard whoever he fits best, 3 or 4, and he will be guarded by whoever the opponent coach thinks is best. It may be a 3 or a 4.
Offensively it doesn't matter as we will see a lot of 4 out and with Haarms in some 5 out. No worries about Vince not getting to face the rim.

Agree with all of this. The only way I think we'll see a TON of double-post is if Biggie comes back. Or if Haarms turns into the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki.

Not that I'd complain about either of those things.

 

[Dakota Girl]

Agree with all of this. The only way I think we'll see a TON of double-post is if Biggie comes back. Or if Haarms turns into the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki.

Not that I'd complain about either of those things.

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Those would be big events. Imagine if both happened!

 

[Wolegib]

I believe a lot of our success the past two years was due to having both Biggie and Haas creating mismatches in the paint with V Edwards on the perimeter. I believe Purdue will suffer a lot if we see Edwards moved to the inside and paired with Haas. I do not see Edwards matching up well against other elite power forwards, or being a great rebounder in the paint. Rather than a season of playing small ball, I would prefer Edwards remained on the perimeter at SF, and we sacrificed some of the minutes our guards were expected to receive at SF, and give them to Taylor, Haarms and Ewing to continue having a twin towers. if we're going to play slow ball, we need a bigger presence in the paint to grab our guards' misses and help set up a pick and roll. I fear a line-up with Mathias at SF and Edwards at PF isn't going to beat any of the elite teams of the NCAA.

What's the goal ? Giving playing time to our seniors? or getting past the sweet 16 ? I'm sorry, I just don't see a line-up of PJ, C Edwards, Mathias, V Edwards and Haas going very far in the BIG 10 or NCAA tourney.

 

[BuilderBob6]

I'm just providing food for thought. it's been a very long time since Painter recruited a guard with Eastern's ability/talent. he is not your typical 3 star guard who sits back and learns. He has the potential to be one of Purdue's greatest guards. He's better than C Edwards. Nothing against Cline, Thompson and Mathais, but to beat the best teams like Louisville and Kansas and UNC, we need talented guard play rather than experienced guard play. Experienced guard play was no match against either Louisville or Kansas this year. I have high hopes for Eastern. He could start and star for many successful Div 1 schools. But he chose Purdue. And if he as good as hyped, it forces a domino effect. Who's the odd man out ? Even before Eastern signed, I was expecting C Edwards to start over Thompson next year. I really want to find a way to keep V Edwards at SF and use our PF slot as basically a banger force inside.

Until you stop saying you want to keep Vince at the SF I'm not going to take you seriously. Vince almost never played the 3 this year.......rarely was he in the game with Biggie and Haas. He was much more effective and comfortable at the 4.

 

[Boilerkid18]

Until you stop saying you want to keep Vince at the SF I'm not going to take you seriously. Vince almost never played the 3 this year.......rarely was he in the game with Biggie and Haas. He was much more effective and comfortable at the 4.

Also to mention he always seems to put himself in great position to grab rebounds when he was at the 4, he of course would be no Biggie at PF, but he will have far better production at the 4 than 3.

 

[Ben Shadeland]

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Those would be big events. Imagine if both happened!

Oh my goodness. I dare not even imagine it...

Okay, I will. A little.

Pre-season top five. Set up to grab more blue chippers. Number-one seed potential.

A Final Four.

*shakes out of euphoric dreamlike state*

 

[cabes4purdue]

1. PJ, Carsen, Dakota, Vince, Isaac
2. Pj, Cline, Dakota, Vince, Isaac
3. Nojel, Carsen, Dakota, Vince, Isaac

1. What the lineup likely could and should be
2. What line could likely be
3. The lineup that we should be most hopeful happens. Because PJ will not lose his starting spot. So it would mean Nojel came in and took it. This is highly unlikely to the point I think it's prolly 1% chance, but if it happens it means Nojel really amazed Painter in order to jump over PJ.