Purdue/Kansas overview

[nagemj02]

When: Thursday, March 23rd

Where: Sprint Center, Kansas City, MO

Tip-Off: 9:30 (ET) (approx.)

TV: CBS


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (12th season)

Kansas: Bill Self (14th season)


Purdue's Team Stats: http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2016-2017/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM

Kansas' Team Stats: http://www.kuathletics.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016&



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 175 (Jr.): averaging 7.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 APG, 45% FG's (82-182), 71% FT's (31-44), 40% 3PT's (51-127), and 28.6 MPG in 34 GP this season

2 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 (Jr.): averaging 9.9 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 3.7 APG, 47% FG's (117-247), 82% FT's (32-39), 46% 3PT's (71-155), and 31.8 MPG in 34 GP this season

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 190 (So.): averaging 5.3 PPG, 2 RPG, 42% FG's (54-130), 82% FT's (9-11), 41% 3PT's (43-106), and 21.3 MPG in 30 GP this season

3/4 #12 Vincent "Vince" Edwards 6'8 215 (Jr.): averaging 12.7 PPG, 5 RPG, 3.2 APG, 49% FG's (157-321), 83% FT's (73-88), 43% 3PT's (45-106), and 28.6 MPG in 34 GP this season

5/4 #50 Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan 6'9 245 (So.): averaging 18.5 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 3 APG, 3.3 TPG, 2.8 FPG, 53% FG's (216-410), 79% FT's (161-205), 43% 3PT's (35-81), and 32.5 MPG in 34 GP this season



Kansas

1 #0 Frank Mason 5'11 180 (Sr.): averaging 20.8 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.3 SPG, 5.2 APG, 2.5 TPG, 49% FG's (218-445), 78% FT's (174-222), 48% 3PT's (76-157), and 36.1 MPG in 33 GP this season

1/2 #4 Devonte' Graham 6'1 185 (Jr.): averaging 13.2 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 4.3 APG, 43% FG's (143-335), 80% FT's (63-79), 39% 3PT's (85-221), and 35.2 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/2 #10 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (svee-at-uh-slav) (muh-kie-luke) 6'7 210 (Jr.): averaging 9.8 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 44% FG's (113-260), 69% FT's (31-45), 40% 3PT's (65-164), and 27.6 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/4 #11 Josh Jackson 6'8 205 (Fr.): averaging 16.4 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1.6 SPG, 3 APG, 2.7 TPG, 3 FPG, 52% FG's (202-392), 56% FT's (90-161), 39% 3PT's (30-78), and 30.5 MPG in 32 GP this season

5/4 #33 Landen Lucas 6'9 240 (RS Sr.): averaging 8.1 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 1 BPG, 3.3 FPG, 64% FG's (103-161), 63% FT's (52-83), no 3PT's attempted, and 25.5 MPG in 32 GP this season



Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue

1 #55 Michael "Spike" Albrecht 5'11 180 (RS Sr.) (graduate transfer from Michigan): averaging 1.7 PPG, 28% FG's (11-40), 95% FT's (18-19), 24% 3PT's (6-25), and 12.5 MPG in 27 GP this season

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 185 (Fr.): averaging 10.4 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1 SPG, 39% FG's (127-325), 72% FT's (51-71), 35% 3PT's (49-139), and 23.3 MPG in 34 GP this season

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 (Jr.): averaging 12.6 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.2 TPG, 59% FG's (154-262), 71% FT's (122-171), no 3PT's attempted, and 19.5 MPG in 34 GP this season


Kansas

2/3 #2 Lagerald Vick 6'6 180 (So.): averaging 7.3 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 45% FG's (88-197), 81% FT's (33-41), 37% 3PT's (31-83), and 24.3 MPG in 33 GP this season

4/5 #15 Carlton Bragg 6'10 220 (So.): averaging 5.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 52% FG's (67-128), 64% FT's (27-42), 0% 3PT's (0-3), and 14.3 MPG in 29 GP this season

5 #22 Dwight Coleby 6'10 250 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Mississippi): averaging 1.7 PPG, 56% FG's (15-27), 43% FT's (6-14), no 3PT's attempted, and 5.1 MPG in 21 GP this season


Who Might Play:

Purdue

no one else likely to play


Kansas

5/4 #44 Mitch Lightfoot 6'9 220 (Fr.): averaging 0.8 PPG, 50% FG's (8-16), 17% FT's (2-12), 50% 3PT's (1-2), and 4.1 MPG in 24 GP this season

 

[*4purdue*]

When: Thursday, March 23rd

Where: Sprint Center, Kansas City, MO

Tip-Off: 9:30 (ET) (approx.)

TV: CBS


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (12th season)

Kansas: Bill Self (14th season)


Purdue's Team Stats: http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2016-2017/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM

Kansas' Team Stats: http://www.kuathletics.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016&



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 175 (Jr.): averaging 7.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 APG, 45% FG's (82-182), 71% FT's (31-44), 40% 3PT's (51-127), and 28.6 MPG in 34 GP this season

2 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 (Jr.): averaging 9.9 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 3.7 APG, 47% FG's (117-247), 82% FT's (32-39), 46% 3PT's (71-155), and 31.8 MPG in 34 GP this season

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 190 (So.): averaging 5.3 PPG, 2 RPG, 42% FG's (54-130), 82% FT's (9-11), 41% 3PT's (43-106), and 21.3 MPG in 30 GP this season

3/4 #12 Vincent "Vince" Edwards 6'8 215 (Jr.): averaging 12.7 PPG, 5 RPG, 3.2 APG, 49% FG's (157-321), 83% FT's (73-88), 43% 3PT's (45-106), and 28.6 MPG in 34 GP this season

5/4 #50 Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan 6'9 245 (So.): averaging 18.5 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 3 APG, 3.3 TPG, 2.8 FPG, 53% FG's (216-410), 79% FT's (161-205), 43% 3PT's (35-81), and 32.5 MPG in 34 GP this season



Kansas

1 #0 Frank Mason 5'11 180 (Sr.): averaging 20.8 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.3 SPG, 5.2 APG, 2.5 TPG, 49% FG's (218-445), 78% FT's (174-222), 48% 3PT's (76-157), and 36.1 MPG in 33 GP this season

1/2 #4 Devonte' Graham 6'1 185 (Jr.): averaging 13.2 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 4.3 APG, 43% FG's (143-335), 80% FT's (63-79), 39% 3PT's (85-221), and 35.2 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/2 #10 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (svee-at-uh-slav) (muh-kie-luke) 6'7 210 (Jr.): averaging 9.8 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 44% FG's (113-260), 69% FT's (31-45), 40% 3PT's (65-164), and 27.6 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/4 #11 Josh Jackson 6'8 205 (Fr.): averaging 16.4 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1.6 SPG, 3 APG, 2.7 TPG, 3 FPG, 52% FG's (202-392), 56% FT's (90-161), 39% 3PT's (30-78), and 30.5 MPG in 32 GP this season

5/4 #33 Landen Lucas 6'9 240 (RS Sr.): averaging 8.1 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 1 BPG, 3.3 FPG, 64% FG's (103-161), 63% FT's (52-83), no 3PT's attempted, and 25.5 MPG in 32 GP this season



Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue

1 #55 Michael "Spike" Albrecht 5'11 180 (RS Sr.) (graduate transfer from Michigan): averaging 1.7 PPG, 28% FG's (11-40), 95% FT's (18-19), 24% 3PT's (6-25), and 12.5 MPG in 27 GP this season

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 185 (Fr.): averaging 10.4 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1 SPG, 39% FG's (127-325), 72% FT's (51-71), 35% 3PT's (49-139), and 23.3 MPG in 34 GP this season

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 (Jr.): averaging 12.6 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.2 TPG, 59% FG's (154-262), 71% FT's (122-171), no 3PT's attempted, and 19.5 MPG in 34 GP this season


Kansas

2/3 #2 Lagerald Vick 6'6 180 (So.): averaging 7.3 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 45% FG's (88-197), 81% FT's (33-41), 37% 3PT's (31-83), and 24.3 MPG in 33 GP this season

4/5 #15 Carlton Bragg 6'10 220 (So.): averaging 5.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 52% FG's (67-128), 64% FT's (27-42), 0% 3PT's (0-3), and 14.3 MPG in 29 GP this season

5 #22 Dwight Coleby 6'10 250 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Mississippi): averaging 1.7 PPG, 56% FG's (15-27), 43% FT's (6-14), no 3PT's attempted, and 5.1 MPG in 21 GP this season


Who Might Play:

Purdue

no one else likely to play


Kansas

5/4 #44 Mitch Lightfoot 6'9 220 (Fr.): averaging 0.8 PPG, 50% FG's (8-16), 17% FT's (2-12), 50% 3PT's (1-2), and 4.1 MPG in 24 GP this season

I guess I'll never understand the powers in charge of setting the times. 2 midwest teams getting the late game while the west coast team gets the early game.

 

[tjreese]

Kansas is good...skilled and much more athletic than Purdue. Still, in the partial one game I had time to watch I think Purdue can match up better than the Iowa State game that could spread you a LOT. It appears that Kansas will play a big always Haas can play in this game it appears and that gives Purdue more depth inside. Iowa State was concerning due to all the perimeter players they could play and put the Purdue bigs in space...not sure Kansas can do that. Not saying Iowa State is better than Kansas...just that I think Kansas has the personnel that allows Purdue to play a more typical game.

Those that have really watched Kansas...please correct my initial, limited impressions because I admit I don't know much about Kansas

 

[FirstDownB]

Kansas is good...skilled and much more athletic than Purdue. Still, in the partial one game I had time to watch I think Purdue can match up better than the Iowa State game that could spread you a LOT. It appears that Kansas will play a big always Haas can play in this game it appears and that gives Purdue more depth inside. Iowa State was concerning due to all the perimeter players they could play and put the Purdue bigs in space...not sure Kansas can do that. Not saying Iowa State is better than Kansas...just that I think Kansas has the personnel that allows Purdue to play a more typical game.

Those that have really watched Kansas...please correct my initial, limited impressions because I admit I don't know much about Kansas

My impression from watching Kansas is they play a similar game as Iowa St. And one key similarity is their starting Center does not have a perimeter game. IMO your question is a great one. Will Kansas keep a big man on the floor at all times and try to beat us straight up? Or will they see what Iowa St did in the second half and go small? It was working so well for Iowa St that Painter had both Haas and Biggie on the bench at one point. But it is hard to imagine a #1 seed that has blown out its first 2 opponents would change approach for a 4 seed. We may see them go small at some point in the game, but I suspect only if they are in desperation, which is doubtful to happen.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Kansas is good...skilled and much more athletic than Purdue. Still, in the partial one game I had time to watch I think Purdue can match up better than the Iowa State game that could spread you a LOT. It appears that Kansas will play a big always Haas can play in this game it appears and that gives Purdue more depth inside. Iowa State was concerning due to all the perimeter players they could play and put the Purdue bigs in space...not sure Kansas can do that. Not saying Iowa State is better than Kansas...just that I think Kansas has the personnel that allows Purdue to play a more typical game.

Those that have really watched Kansas...please correct my initial, limited impressions because I admit I don't know much about Kansas

ISU part 2 with Josh Jackson instead of Burton. Biggie and Haas should eat. they will be hard to defend but I think this is winnable for Purdue.

 

[Heller]

Jackson is a tough matchup. Vince needs to at the very least make that battle even. Their bigs don't shoot from three so Biggie and Haas should be able to hang in the lane. I don't see them having much matchup to Swanigan and their guards are not big which is where we usually have trouble when teams can spread us out.

 

[Beeazlebub]

As much as I can't stand his antics, I hope we get the same TV Ted crew from the ISU game. When are referees announced?

If Isaac can play in this game without getting questionable calls, I think we have a good chance. Also wouldn't be surprised to see Dakota/Cline take turns guarding Jackson - I'd try a guard on him to force him into the post.

 

[JayhawkinGeorgia]

Kansas

1 #0 Frank Mason 5'11 180 (Sr.): averaging 20.8 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 1.3 SPG, 5.2 APG, 2.5 TPG, 49% FG's (218-445), 78% FT's (174-222), 48% 3PT's (76-157), and 36.1 MPG in 33 GP this season

1/2 #4 Devonte' Graham 6'1 185 (Jr.): averaging 13.2 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 4.3 APG, 43% FG's (143-335), 80% FT's (63-79), 39% 3PT's (85-221), and 35.2 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/2 #10 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (svee-at-uh-slav) (muh-kie-luke) 6'7 210 (Jr.): averaging 9.8 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 44% FG's (113-260), 69% FT's (31-45), 40% 3PT's (65-164), and 27.6 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/4 #11 Josh Jackson 6'8 205 (Fr.): averaging 16.4 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1.6 SPG, 3 APG, 2.7 TPG, 3 FPG, 52% FG's (202-392), 56% FT's (90-161), 39% 3PT's (30-78), and 30.5 MPG in 32 GP this season

5/4 #33 Landen Lucas 6'9 240 (RS Sr.): averaging 8.1 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 1 BPG, 3.3 FPG, 64% FG's (103-161), 63% FT's (52-83), no 3PT's attempted, and 25.5 MPG in 32 GP this season


Projected Reinforcements:

Kansas

2/3 #2 Lagerald Vick 6'6 180 (So.): averaging 7.3 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 45% FG's (88-197), 81% FT's (33-41), 37% 3PT's (31-83), and 24.3 MPG in 33 GP this season

4/5 #15 Carlton Bragg 6'10 220 (So.): averaging 5.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 52% FG's (67-128), 64% FT's (27-42), 0% 3PT's (0-3), and 14.3 MPG in 29 GP this season

5 #22 Dwight Coleby 6'10 250 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Mississippi): averaging 1.7 PPG, 56% FG's (15-27), 43% FT's (6-14), no 3PT's attempted, and 5.1 MPG in 21 GP this season


Who Might Play:

Kansas

5/4 #44 Mitch Lightfoot 6'9 220 (Fr.): averaging 0.8 PPG, 50% FG's (8-16), 17% FT's (2-12), 50% 3PT's (1-2), and 4.1 MPG in 24 GP this season

KU fan here,

KU will play Landen Lucas as the lone big man and 4 "guards" around him. You won't see very much of Bragg, Coleby, or Lightfoot unless there is foul trouble. They will definitely get some playing time, but vast majority of the PT will be Lucas. His line at the end of the game will be something around 10 points/10 boards.

 

[tjreese]

My impression from watching Kansas is they play a similar game as Iowa St. And one key similarity is their starting Center does not have a perimeter game. IMO your question is a great one. Will Kansas keep a big man on the floor at all times and try to beat us straight up? Or will they see what Iowa St did in the second half and go small? It was working so well for Iowa St that Painter had both Haas and Biggie on the bench at one point. But it is hard to imagine a #1 seed that has blown out its first 2 opponents would change approach for a 4 seed. We may see them go small at some point in the game, but I suspect only if they are in desperation, which is doubtful to happen.

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Yeah, I don't know anything about them as to whether one big is typical. Obviously Jackson is a jumping machine who prefers to stroke it from the perimeter...fine with me. Just don't need Biggie trying to match him...a couple are fine though. What was it in the 19 and under USA team...Biggie played the first game and did great and then S MIller went quicker...and Jackson played a lot thereafter?

 

[PistolPt]

Jackson is a beast but he's still a freshman. Biggest game of his young career so let's see how he performs. Containing Mason is the key.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

I believe we will see a heavy weight fight similar to what we saw against ISU.

I think the biggest key to winning this game is to take a page from the Wisconsin playbook and slow the game down. The more we limit their possessions the better chance we have to win.

 

[tjreese]

As much as I can't stand his antics, I hope we get the same TV Ted crew from the ISU game. When are referees announced?

If Isaac can play in this game without getting questionable calls, I think we have a good chance. Also wouldn't be surprised to see Dakota/Cline take turns guarding Jackson - I'd try a guard on him to force him into the post.

he has done fine in the two games he has done Purdue this year. I hope Jackson doesn't guard Biggie...unless he wants to jump out of the gym and Biggie can get him off his feet and into a foul? I know if it is close with time running out...maybe Eifert does a D and O thing where he immediately fouls Jackson and Lucas since them hitting a FT is a flip of the coin. let's hope both of those players are needed to battle Purdue inside so that Purdue has an option of fouling them...assuming of course that Purdue could be behind...which may not be the case. I expect Haas to play and to draw some fouls...

 

[tjreese]

Jackson is a beast but he's still a freshman. Biggest game of his young career so let's see how he performs. Containing Mason is the key.

played against quite a few PGs this year that were key to their team..containing him or him having an off night shooting would be nice. Jackson will not guard Haas...and possibly not guard Biggie..If he does guard Biggie it will be a wait and see how effective inside Biggie will be with this athlete...course Biggie is Bigger and may push him under the goal. Vince can drive on Jackson and hope for the foul...but if his stroke is going and Jackson is on him on the perimeter...I may like that as well. I have no idea if Kansas is strictly ahtletic and skilled...or if they are cerebral as well...

 

[depthcharge623]

KU fan here,

KU will play Landen Lucas as the lone big man and 4 "guards" around him. You won't see very much of Bragg, Coleby, or Lightfoot unless there is foul trouble. They will definitely get some playing time, but vast majority of the PT will be Lucas. His line at the end of the game will be something around 10 points/10 boards.

Thanks for the info. How are KU fans feeling about the matchup? Any anxiety about our bigs or play style?

 

[JayhawkinGeorgia]

Thanks for the info. How are KU fans feeling about the matchup? Any anxiety about our bigs or play style?

I can't really speak for other KU fans, but I always feel anxious about whomever we will be playing. I recall the last matchup with Purdue in the 2012 tournament when you all were kicking our butts for a good portion of the game before we managed to come back. I won't be taking Purdue lightly.

As far as your style of play, I don't think it concerns me particularly. That is not to say that I have any great knowledge of Purdue or your style of play, nor is it to say that I have some supreme confidence in our ability to take whatever you throw at us. It's more indicative of our style of play. We play good, but not great, defense. We're not especially adept at stopping other teams. However, we have been really good at scoring ourselves. So the key for KU will be to put up enough points while somewhat limiting Purdue. I know that sounds really simplistic, but our guards are quick, athletic, and skilled. They can all shoot from deep and they're not shy about going to the rim.

Our defense will probably hinge upon creating turnovers to fuel our transition offense and just limiting good looks for Purdue. If Purdue is scoring too much, coach Self will start switching up defenses to find whatever might work such as switching defensive assignments or junk defenses. If KU has trouble stopping Purdue, we'll probably throw everything but the kitchen sink at you.

 

[Summy1]

I guess I'll never understand the powers in charge of setting the times. 2 midwest teams getting the late game while the west coast team gets the early game.

Easy, these are the 2 games people want to see so they figured out the times and put them on CBS. Fine with me. Let the whole world watch us get the win.

 

[nagemj02]

ISU part 2 with Josh Jackson instead of Burton. Biggie and Haas should eat. they will be hard to defend but I think this is winnable for Purdue.

You can't forget that Frank Mason and Devonte Graham at the 1 and 2 is greater than Monte Morris and Naz Long at the 1 and 2. That is another difference between KU and ISU. Also, Lagerald Vick is a guard/wing that is their sixth man and can provide instant offense at times. Purdue is definitely better in the post but you have to anticipate that Kansas will doubling or trapping them (a la Louisville and Minnesota) and forcing VE and the guards to beat them with jumpers or creating off of their dribble.

 

[Chauncey1986]

I guess I'll never understand the powers in charge of setting the times. 2 midwest teams getting the late game while the west coast team gets the early game.

I may have to take a nap at work

 

[Chauncey1986]

Thanks for the info. How are KU fans feeling about the matchup? Any anxiety about our bigs or play style?

From what I have seen so far the Kansas fans have shown more respect for us than most opposing fans. In fact, opposing fans have more respect than the anal ists do because they, the fans, understand the game and do their research.

 

[depthcharge623]

I can't really speak for other KU fans, but I always feel anxious about whomever we will be playing. I recall the last matchup with Purdue in the 2012 tournament when you all were kicking our butts for a good portion of the game before we managed to come back. I won't be taking Purdue lightly.

As far as your style of play, I don't think it concerns me particularly. That is not to say that I have any great knowledge of Purdue or your style of play, nor is it to say that I have some supreme confidence in our ability to take whatever you throw at us. It's more indicative of our style of play. We play good, but not great, defense. We're not especially adept at stopping other teams. However, we have been really good at scoring ourselves. So the key for KU will be to put up enough points while somewhat limiting Purdue. I know that sounds really simplistic, but our guards are quick, athletic, and skilled. They can all shoot from deep and they're not shy about going to the rim.

Our defense will probably hinge upon creating turnovers to fuel our transition offense and just limiting good looks for Purdue. If Purdue is scoring too much, coach Self will start switching up defenses to find whatever might work such as switching defensive assignments or junk defenses. If KU has trouble stopping Purdue, we'll probably throw everything but the kitchen sink at you.

You guys do seem very similar to ISU now that I think about it, although obviously better. I think the key for Purdue will be to limit turnovers and be efficient on offense. This will limit KUs ability to score in transition and give Purdue time to set up the defense. Purdue's defense is also good, but not great. We started the season saying it was a weakness, but Purdue's players have come along quite a bit to the point where that is no longer the case. Some of their guys are very good defenders (eg. Matthias), while others show flashes of greatness, or play well against certain matchups. I think Purdue's defense will probably be better than KU is used to, but not good enough to slow them down too much. If Purdue shooters can shoot their average (which is one of the best in the country), and our bigs limit mistakes, this could be a good old fashioned shootout.

 

[MJ-79Boiler]

For us, . . a quick early lead is very important. When it happens it appears that we pass the ball more fluidly and shoot a LOT better. Some teams are used to rallying back from big deficits, just not sure we are one of them

For me, the key issues are:

1.) Transition Defense - Kansas is very similar to Iowa State, UCLA, Michigan and a few others - they can be deadly in the open court in that they can easily use their athleticism to convert at the rim, but can also pull up and hit uncontested 3s. In a half court setting, I am much more comfortable trying to defend them.

2.) Post play - Our ability to effectively impose our will on the inside. If we can either shoot well on the inside, or make good passes if they are double teaming the post, I like our chances.

3.) Vince - If he continues to be aggressive, we will play well.

4.) Graham - We have to stay home against this guy. I believe he is their best outside shooter (if left open) If he is covered reasonably well then Jackson will be willing to take contested shots (ie AAU ) I don't know why, but I worry about Graham's shooting the most.

5.) Charging calls - Jackson and Mason love to drive to the rim - for obvious reasons. (ie They have had a lot of success doing it.) We have to be willing to take some charging calls - especially with high flying Jackson. He's a great player and an athletic freak, but he is still a freshman who makes mistakes playing hero ball. We have seen that with Indiana. If people like spike can bait him into some charging calls I think it will throw off his game. We also know that Kansas is not the same team without him on the floor. (i.e. TCU)

Good Luck Boilers ! !

 

[nagemj02]

he has done fine in the two games he has done Purdue this year. I hope Jackson doesn't guard Biggie...unless he wants to jump out of the gym and Biggie can get him off his feet and into a foul? I know if it is close with time running out...maybe Eifert does a D and O thing where he immediately fouls Jackson and Lucas since them hitting a FT is a flip of the coin. let's hope both of those players are needed to battle Purdue inside so that Purdue has an option of fouling them...assuming of course that Purdue could be behind...which may not be the case. I expect Haas to play and to draw some fouls...

I just hope "Broad Ripple" Bo Borowski isn't one of the officials for Thursday's game. That guy affects the outcome of more close games (ex: UNC/Arkansas yesterday) than Tim Donaghy.

On an unrelated note, do you believe that Painter and staff might throw in a few wrinkles for their offensive and defensive sets?

 

[BoilerStation]

Can Biggie guard or stay with Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk? No idea how mobile he is and if he is a threat to drive to the basket. If he can then I like our chances a little bit better because it allows us to play 3 bigs at once if we wanted to for portions of the game. Vince on Jackson and Haas on whoever is playing center for them.

 

[nagemj02]

Can Biggie guard or stay with Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk? No idea how mobile he is and if he is a threat to drive to the basket. If he can then I like our chances a little bit better because it allows us to play 3 bigs at once if we wanted to for portions of the game. Vince on Jackson and Haas on whoever is playing center for them.

Mykhailiuk is primarily a 3PT shooter but he can occasionally score off of his dribble. I think it will be tough for Swanigan to guard anyone other than Lucas and their bigs off the bench (Bragg, Coleby, possibly Lightfoot).

Honestly, I don't know for sure. I don't really know just how quick or athletic (or not) Mykhailiuk is overall. Maybe Biggie can stay with him more often than not.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I may have to take a nap at work

Do you have a Costanza desk?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I just hope "Broad Ripple" Bo Borowski isn't one of the officials for Thursday's game. That guy affects the outcome of more close games (ex: UNC/Arkansas yesterday) than Tim Donaghy.

On an unrelated note, do you believe that Painter and staff might throw in a few wrinkles for their offensive and defensive sets?

You mean like a zone?

 

[Carsonteenwolfcunningham]

Josh jackson can be out of control with and without the ball. In addition to charges Purdue can get him called for a moving screen. Ok state got one called on him in the first 7 seconds of ku's final regular season game. Just have to run through him if he is not set. Of course the refs would have to call it correctly.

 

[davs50321]

KU fan here -- have tickets and really looking forward to this one. Thanks for knocking Iowa St out. I didn't see the start of that game, so I didn't see when you guys were clicking, but came away impressed with Swanigan, Haas, and Vince. Here are my thoughts:

General/gameflow. KU doesn't blow many teams out despite the scores so far in the tourney. I'm not sure whether it's lack of focus, lack of depth, or just a belief that they can turn it on whenever. We tend to go on a run 1/2 or 1/3 of the way through the second half and close with a Mason, Graham, Vick, Jackson, Lucas lineup that ramps up the defense. We want to run and play pressure man to man, but we don't have the depth to press or go too hard the entire game. KU also doesn't play well in the Sprint Center. I expect this to be a 5 point game at the 3/4 mark and from there its just which team hits shots.

KU on defense. The key for KU is avoiding foul trouble -- if Lucas or Jackson are limited, we're in trouble. I expect Lucas to guard Swanigan the entire game b/c Jackson doesn't have the weight/strength. Lucas is a good, smart defender -- usually just walls up, stays vertical and makes you shoot over the top, doesn't block many shots. It will be interesting when Haas plays with Swanigan (which isn't often as I understand). I think you'll see Jackson guarding Haas for spurts. Certainly not a good matchup, but we've done something similar against Baylor. Mason is a really good perimeter defender, Graham is good, Vick is okay, and Svi is terrrrrrrible. Iowa State beat us by just hunting down Svi every single play. We tend to give up the three too often. KU rarely plays zone, but Self likes to bust out a junk triangle-and-two or box-and-one. I think you could see that if the game stays close, but it might be tough with all of your shooters.

KU on offense. Mason and Jackson make everything go, Graham and Svi are primarily shooters, and Lucas only screens and does hook shots. We really only run two sets -- weave and pick and roll. I'd like to see us make Swanigan guard the pick and roll consistently. The Mason-Jackson PNR is particularly deadly. The key early is whether Svi, Vick, and Graham are hitting shots. Graham tends to start cold.

 

[regulator220]

STOP THE BALL!!!!!!!! After every miss and especially every made basket and we win. Boiler Up

 

[ChoiceBeef]

KU on defense. The key for KU is avoiding foul trouble -- if Lucas or Jackson are limited, we're in trouble. I expect Lucas to guard Swanigan the entire game b/c Jackson doesn't have the weight/strength. Lucas is a good, smart defender -- usually just walls up, stays vertical and makes you shoot over the top, doesn't block many shots. It will be interesting when Haas plays with Swanigan (which isn't often as I understand). I think you'll see Jackson guarding Haas for spurts. Certainly not a good matchup, but we've done something similar against Baylor. Mason is a really good perimeter defender, Graham is good, Vick is okay, and Svi is terrrrrrrible. Iowa State beat us by just hunting down Svi every single play. We tend to give up the three too often. KU rarely plays zone, but Self likes to bust out a junk triangle-and-two or box-and-one. I think you could see that if the game stays close, but it might be tough with all of your shooters.

Thanks for the scouting report. I agree - if Lucas and Jackson get into early foul trouble, it could be a long night for KU.

Regardless, I think this is going to be a heavyweight title fight.

Side note - why is it KU when you are University of Kansas? Shouldn't it be UK?

 

[tjreese]

For us, . . a quick early lead is very important. When it happens it appears that we pass the ball more fluidly and shoot a LOT better. Some teams are used to rallying back from big deficits, just not sure we are one of them

For me, the key issues are:

1.) Transition Defense - Kansas is very similar to Iowa State, UCLA, Michigan and a few others - they can be deadly in the open court in that they can easily use their athleticism to convert at the rim, but can also pull up and hit uncontested 3s. In a half court setting, I am much more comfortable trying to defend them.

2.) Post play - Our ability to effectively impose our will on the inside. If we can either shoot well on the inside, or make good passes if they are double teaming the post, I like our chances.

3.) Vince - If he continues to be aggressive, we will play well.

4.) Graham - We have to stay home against this guy. I believe he is their best outside shooter (if left open) If he is covered reasonably well then Jackson will be willing to take contested shots (ie AAU ) I don't know why, but I worry about Graham's shooting the most.

5.) Charging calls - Jackson and Mason love to drive to the rim - for obvious reasons. (ie They have had a lot of success doing it.) We have to be willing to take some charging calls - especially with high flying Jackson. He's a great player and an athletic freak, but he is still a freshman who makes mistakes playing hero ball. We have seen that with Indiana. If people like spike can bait him into some charging calls I think it will throw off his game. We also know that Kansas is not the same team without him on the floor. (i.e. TCU)

Good Luck Boilers ! !

One HUGE key to transition defense is efficient offense and short bounces when miss...gotta hit the 3's when there, but close shots create a decrease in quick pushes. If Purdue is very effective when given the three, THAT will be a huge plus becasue I expect Kansas to give that at some point

 

[tjreese]

I just hope "Broad Ripple" Bo Borowski isn't one of the officials for Thursday's game. That guy affects the outcome of more close games (ex: UNC/Arkansas yesterday) than Tim Donaghy.

On an unrelated note, do you believe that Painter and staff might throw in a few wrinkles for their offensive and defensive sets?

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Every team will have some adjustment on the defensive end, but it will be primarily about tendencies of players, tendencies of teams, who can switch on who, who cannot help off of certain players. Helping off or not with certain players could become a problem with secondary rotations...who mustbe blocked out on the boards (one of their players that starts with a B has about as many offensive boards as defensive boards...that spells aggressiveness on the boards. Purdue, will need to not get lazy on the shell defense and work their a$$es off in providing that shell against dribble penetration and yet recover as needed. Alertness wiht total focus on D. I'm sure Kansas has played some really good individual D teams...let's hope Purdue can put forth a great team effort.

Offensively, not a lot of room for error. Kansas gets about 15 points a game out of their average by blocks and steals. Cutting those down will go a long way to winning it seems. Transition D will be crucial and that is a function of blocks, steals by their defense and bad shots, poor passing and making offensive moves before gathering the ball or playing too fast for Purdue. So, Purdue needs good shots and the discipline to make that happen, and yet the team has to play loose as well. Purdue has to do what Purdue needs to do every game...and be good doing it. No question effort will be there...focus too and so it is just a function of getting in the groove early and through the game. Purdue needs Vince, Biggie and Haas to play BIG...PJ and Spike to stroke it when open and set up the other players as needed. Need Dakota to stroke a few as that really helps set up his passing...and Carsen...

A really good Carsen can be enough with decent games from the others, but a really positive performance would be welcomed. Beating Kansas will not be trickery, but efficient execution in all phases of the game...and did I mention others besides Biggie rebounding?

 

[tjreese]

KU fan here -- have tickets and really looking forward to this one. Thanks for knocking Iowa St out. I didn't see the start of that game, so I didn't see when you guys were clicking, but came away impressed with Swanigan, Haas, and Vince. Here are my thoughts:

General/gameflow. KU doesn't blow many teams out despite the scores so far in the tourney. I'm not sure whether it's lack of focus, lack of depth, or just a belief that they can turn it on whenever. We tend to go on a run 1/2 or 1/3 of the way through the second half and close with a Mason, Graham, Vick, Jackson, Lucas lineup that ramps up the defense. We want to run and play pressure man to man, but we don't have the depth to press or go too hard the entire game. KU also doesn't play well in the Sprint Center. I expect this to be a 5 point game at the 3/4 mark and from there its just which team hits shots.

KU on defense. The key for KU is avoiding foul trouble -- if Lucas or Jackson are limited, we're in trouble. I expect Lucas to guard Swanigan the entire game b/c Jackson doesn't have the weight/strength. Lucas is a good, smart defender -- usually just walls up, stays vertical and makes you shoot over the top, doesn't block many shots. It will be interesting when Haas plays with Swanigan (which isn't often as I understand). I think you'll see Jackson guarding Haas for spurts. Certainly not a good matchup, but we've done something similar against Baylor. Mason is a really good perimeter defender, Graham is good, Vick is okay, and Svi is terrrrrrrible. Iowa State beat us by just hunting down Svi every single play. We tend to give up the three too often. KU rarely plays zone, but Self likes to bust out a junk triangle-and-two or box-and-one. I think you could see that if the game stays close, but it might be tough with all of your shooters.

KU on offense. Mason and Jackson make everything go, Graham and Svi are primarily shooters, and Lucas only screens and does hook shots. We really only run two sets -- weave and pick and roll. I'd like to see us make Swanigan guard the pick and roll consistently. The Mason-Jackson PNR is particularly deadly. The key early is whether Svi, Vick, and Graham are hitting shots. Graham tends to start cold.

Would be very surprised to see a junk defense...unless Purdue is already playing like junk and then it wouldn't matter. Would be very surprised to see Jackson guarding Haas, but with a ref that actually allows Haas to post it could work for Purdue...not gonna block shots if under the rim and with all the athleticism Jackson has (and he has a lot) he is thin and easy to move. Shot fake and if Jackson goes up you have 30 to 35 seconds before he comes back down and you can get under him at that point.

Should be a good game with many adjustments. It will be a close game unless one of the teams really has a bad day I imagine...

 

[BoilerDeac]

KU fan here,

KU will play Landen Lucas as the lone big man and 4 "guards" around him. You won't see very much of Bragg, Coleby, or Lightfoot unless there is foul trouble. They will definitely get some playing time, but vast majority of the PT will be Lucas. His line at the end of the game will be something around 10 points/10 boards.

Yeah, this basically means that we won't be seeing much of the twin tower lineup. That would be a disaster.

Purdue will need to go small with Vince at the 4. Hopefully Biggie can take Lucas to school.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Jackson is a tough matchup. Vince needs to at the very least make that battle even. Their bigs don't shoot from three so Biggie and Haas should be able to hang in the lane. I don't see them having much matchup to Swanigan and their guards are not big which is where we usually have trouble when teams can spread us out.

Jackson is a freshman and with a savvy veteran like Vince, I hope he can get him in foul trouble. Take away that or Graham early on from Kansas....Purdue has a shot. Kansas really only goes about 6 deep before the minutes fall off drastically (24 to roughly 12 from the 6th to 7th players), so if Purdue can get them in foul trouble, that bodes very well for Purdue.

 

[Beeazlebub]

Would be very surprised to see a junk defense...unless Purdue is already playing like junk and then it wouldn't matter. Would be very surprised to see Jackson guarding Haas, but with a ref that actually allows Haas to post it could work for Purdue...not gonna block shots if under the rim and with all the athleticism Jackson has (and he has a lot) he is thin and easy to move. Shot fake and if Jackson goes up you have 30 to 35 seconds before he comes back down and you can get under him at that point.

Should be a good game with many adjustments. It will be a close game unless one of the teams really has a bad day I imagine...

Jackson on Haas or Biggie =

 

[tjreese]

Yeah, this basically means that we won't be seeing much of the twin tower lineup. That would be a disaster.

Purdue will need to go small with Vince at the 4. Hopefully Biggie can take Lucas to school.

AND "IF" the Kansas big is not a threat outside...Haas can play as needed

 

[nagemj02]

Would be very surprised to see a junk defense...unless Purdue is already playing like junk and then it wouldn't matter. Would be very surprised to see Jackson guarding Haas, but with a ref that actually allows Haas to post it could work for Purdue...not gonna block shots if under the rim and with all the athleticism Jackson has (and he has a lot) he is thin and easy to move. Shot fake and if Jackson goes up you have 30 to 35 seconds before he comes back down and you can get under him at that point.

Should be a good game with many adjustments. It will be a close game unless one of the teams really has a bad day I imagine...

He's talking about Kansas occasionally playing a triangle-and-two or box-and-one, not Purdue. KU famously played some of both in their win at Kentucky this season.

 

[tjreese]

He's talking about Kansas occasionally playing a triangle-and-two or box-and-one, not Purdue. KU famously played some of both in their win at Kentucky this season.

I know that and as I said I would be VERY surprised for him to do that as I said above. Why, what is he trying to do? The original posteer even suggested that Purdue had too many ways of scoring. I can list a lot of reasons why that would not work if Purdue had a normal game. If scoring came from one or two people...possible, but Purdue has more than 1 or 2 that can score and a box, diamond or triangle is a bad zone and if it shut down teh guards...Vince, Biggie and Hass would love that defense. Sure you could sau Purdue bigs are not a threat outside underneath...but that is not true...or at least hasn't been. YOU could even say, I'll play Biggie (rather than a guard) with the man and play the box on the others and DAkota, PJ Cline, Carsen would love that as biggie could take his man away from the zone and just look to score off of rebounds...or if Biggie is the man played man...just pick the back side of the box or diamond of the 4 players playing zone and Haas is happy. Most always a junk defense (doesn't have to be) is to playh tight on 1 or two perimeter players and zone on the others...and that zone is not near as big when you remove a player form playing it.

I understood what he said...and that is why I said I doubt it....

 

[TC4THREE]

Can Biggie guard or stay with Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk? No idea how mobile he is and if he is a threat to drive to the basket. If he can then I like our chances a little bit better because it allows us to play 3 bigs at once if we wanted to for portions of the game. Vince on Jackson and Haas on whoever is playing center for them.

This what I started looking at today as well. If he's not a big threat to drive the basketball then Swanigan should be able to guard him and we can go big when KU has both him and Lucas in together.