Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long-range missiles to strike inside Russia: report
President Biden approved Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's regime to strike targets within Russia using American long-range missiles.
Biden getting us into WW III before leaving office.
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Democrats claim to be the party of peace remember? Lol
Biden allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with US-supplied weapons will 'enrage' Putin, says retired lieutenant colonel | Fox News Video
'Fox News Live' co-anchor Arthel Neville speaks with Ret. U.S. Army Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis about President Biden allowing Ukraine to use long-range ATACMS to strike Russian territory.
No coincidence this happened after Trump won the election.Biden allowing Ukraine to strike Russia with US-supplied weapons will 'enrage' Putin, says retired lieutenant colonel | Fox News Video
'Fox News Live' co-anchor Arthel Neville speaks with Ret. U.S. Army Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis about President Biden allowing Ukraine to use long-range ATACMS to strike Russian territory.www.foxnews.com
IMO Trump was going to get peace in Europe by coming up with a compromise where Ukraine would give up some property to Russia.
That wasn't acceptable to the EU.
Was it acceptable to Ukraine??
Let's backtrack a bit. Biden started the Ukraine-Russia war by agreeing to allow Ukraine into NATO (link). For years, Putin warned that any former Warsaw Pact nation attempting to join join NATO would be considered an act of war. Yet Biden gave the green light for Ukraine to join and Putin started planning the invasion of Ukraine immediately.
So before you ask if giving up Ukraine land is acceptable to the EU or Ukraine, consider: (1) Can Ukraine possibly WIN a war against Russia? And (2), does Ukraine, the EU or the US want the current war escalated even further?
Yes we know why Putin invaded Ukraine.
To answer your questions:
No Ukraine can't win a war with Russia without help from the West.
No neither the US nor the EU wants escalation.
The philosophy was to keep supplying Ukraine with defensive weapons to fend off the Russian invasion.
Hoping Russian would drain itself from public support, militarily and financially and quit fighting.
In jumps North Korea. That philosophy just took a dump. The escalation has taken a leap.
Rocket man has nukes.
So it looks like a compromise where Russia takes part of Ukraine, The Russian controlled part Donbas, was in Trumps mind.
Of course speculation on my part.
So the question is why did Biden let Ukraine use the offensive weapons that Ukraine has had now for a couple of years?
IMO the EU wanted to use US resources to drain Russia. Biden complied. Trump probably wouldn't have. He has said the killing must stop before the war escalates. He has said he would end the war. The only way to accomplish this would be to give Russia, what they really already control, Donbas.
Ukraine can't win a war against Russia. Period. Ukraine can't possibly defeat Russia. Russia has 9,600 nuclear warheads (that we know about via SALT) and Lord only knows how many we don't know about. The best ending to the war that is possible is a stalemate.
Of course the EU wants to use US resources to fight Russia. Uncle Stupid has been the Cash Cow for NATO for 75 years. Bush, Obama and Trump all complained about this. Bush was ignored, Obama was praised and Trump was ridiculed.
I am aware that NATO countries in Europe have collectively given more support to Ukraine than the US but the US is by far the biggest individual contributer. That may be somewhat justifiable since the Biden zombie started this war but nonetheless, this is a non-NATO war and the EU nations should be providing all of the support to Ukraine with zero from the US. In fact, we should begin pulling troops OUT of NATO-Europe on Jan 20th.
"Ukraine’s military used long-range American-made missiles on Tuesday to strike into Russia for the first time"
Free link from the NY Times:
Free link from the NY Times:
Same day: "President Vladimir V. Putin on Tuesday lowered Russia’s threshold for the use of nuclear weapons"
Free link NY Times:
You mean like the Afghanistan deal? Or trumps order to withdraw all troops that was ignored? Or zero cooperation in the handoff to Biden?
It could be Biden us trying to get Ukraine in a stronger position before the inevitable cave to Putin by trump.
It's BS that either side wouldn't do everything to help the incoming administration. I guess elections have consequences can take on a different meaning.
Did you read the link that I posted above? Did you understand it? We are on the brink of nuclear war. Here are the last two paragraphs:
"The new doctrine asserts that Russia could use nuclear arms in the event of an attack by a nation backed by a nuclear power. The doctrine’s publication on Tuesday appeared to be the latest suggestion from the Kremlin that Russia could use nuclear weapons to respond to attacks by Ukraine carried out with American support, and that the response could be directed against American facilities as well as Ukraine itself."
“Aggression against the Russian Federation and (or) its allies by any nonnuclear state with the participation or support of a nuclear state is considered as their joint attack,” the document says.
Trump absolutely was not going to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan.
Trump would have NEVER left the Taliban in charge of security during the withdraw.
Priority one for Trump was keeping Bagram air Base.
Sleepy Joe gave it to the Chinese. What did he get in return?
Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss
The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.
www.militarytimes.com
You believe China has the base because trump said so?
If trump wanted to keep Bagram he should have included it the great deal he made with the Taliban. Did he do that? If he had gotten out of Afghanistan in 4 years like he promised he could have tried to keep it. Did he do that? In what world would the Taliban let us stay at Bagram while giving them the rest of the country?
Trump wishes Americans stayed In Afghanistan to fight China
The president who helped end America’s longest war now regrets leaving behind U.S. bases.
reason.com
This article dumbs it down for those of you who still don't get it. I hope I'm wrong but I expect to see Russia launch a tactical nuclear missile against an American, French or British NATO base in Europe.
www.yahoo.com
Putin signs law allowing nuclear strike in response to long-range missile attack
Vladimir Putin has signed a law that permits a nuclear response if Russia is attacked by Western long-range missiles.
Worth the chance in order to defend the non-Nato fake democracy of Ukraine, right Bagram?
Risk of nuclear is low, but the penalty for being wrong is astronomical.
In Last Ditch Attempt To Prevent Trump From Taking Office, Democrats Start World War 3
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Having failed to stop him thus far, Democrats have implemented their last-ditch attempt to prevent Donald Trump from taking office by starting World War 3.
babylonbee.com
China has the base because Biden gave it to them PERIOD.Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss
The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.
You believe China has the base because trump said so?
If trump wanted to keep Bagram he should have included it the great deal he made with the Taliban. Did he do that? If he had gotten out of Afghanistan in 4 years like he promised he could have tried to keep it. Did he do that? In what world would the Taliban let us stay at Bagram while giving them the rest of the country?
Trump wishes Americans stayed In Afghanistan to fight China
The president who helped end America’s longest war now regrets leaving behind U.S. bases.
If the US had kept Bagram the Taliban wouldn’t be controlling Afghanistan.
Face it the incompetent -corrupt Biden debacle of an Administration messed Afghanistan up completely. Keep blaming it on Trump lol.
What’s sad is the thousands of lives lost in a war that ended on a Biden Administration disgrace.
Trump would not have given the Taliban control of the withdraw.
Trump would not have given up Bargam to anyone. PERIOD
You idiots think if you say something enough that makes it true.
CHINA DOESN'T HAVE THE BASE.
Trump was lying to you.
Lol. You can't keep an airbase halfway around the world in the middle of a hostile country. Lol.
Is that from the Bagram Bob defense doctrine?
You can keep it by bombing the crap out of the local hostiles whenever they get overly hostile.
Your childish comment is evidence that you don't understand the threat. Putin has spoken about escalating the war by using tactical nuclear missiles in the battlefield, not a strategic ICBM attack.
Good point.
A concern I have is what happens if one or more of our dozens of Euro military bases is hit in a tactical nuke attack. If our senile president finds out about it, will he escalate - or will his puppet masters in the Mil-Industrial complex escalate?
If a recent Gallup poll is correct that a majority of Ukrainians want a quick negotiated end to the war, even if it means giving up territory, why is our idiot president escalating if not at the orders of the war industry?
For the first time, more than half of Ukrainians want a quick, negotiated end to war with Russia: poll
For the first time in the 1,000 days of bloodshed since the Russia-Ukraine war began, more than half of Ukrainians want to see a swift, brokered resolution to the conflict — and even support making…
nypost.com
That is indeed the problem. We have a brain-dead, senile zombie President playing chess with a authoritarian zealot Putin who has already gone ape-shid over-the-top by starting this war. Does any reasonable person think that Putin will suddenly start playing by Marquess of Queensberry Rules?
Nuclear-armed psychopath versus senile nuclear-armed sociopath making a stupid and dangerous policy change two months before he leaves.
That's exactly the problem. We have seen first-hand that Putin is not rational, and he has 9,600 nuclear warheads (according to SALT). He warned that any former USSR nation joining NATO would be an act of war, and when Ukraine merely completed the paperwork, Putin started a war. Putin now warns that he may use tactical nuclear missiles if the West provides Ukraine with long-range missiles. Why in God's name would the Biden zombie want to tweak this madman?
Do we know where all the money went? Sometimes following the money trail helps...but is there a trail?Good point.
A concern I have is what happens if one or more of our dozens of Euro military bases is hit in a tactical nuke attack. If our senile president finds out about it, will he escalate - or will his puppet masters in the Mil-Industrial complex escalate?
If a recent Gallup poll is correct that a majority of Ukrainians want a quick negotiated end to the war, even if it means giving up territory, why is our idiot president escalating if not at the orders of the war industry?
For the first time, more than half of Ukrainians want a quick, negotiated end to war with Russia: poll
For the first time in the 1,000 days of bloodshed since the Russia-Ukraine war began, more than half of Ukrainians want to see a swift, brokered resolution to the conflict — and even support making…
I understand the threat just fine. So do those at State, CIA, DOD and other intel and defense agencies.........and a lot better than you and I do. We've been dealing with similar threats from Russia/USSR for 75 years. We've been far closer to "the brink of nuclear war" many times in that period.
Putin is saber rattling and you believe him. Not surprising. Let's just back down from Russia and see what signal that sends to our enemies, like China for instance. It's a good thing Reagan didn't think like you.
Oh, and the "brink of nuclear war" has typically been used to describe an all out nuclear war. Putin threatening to use tactical nukes is not anywhere near the same thing. Just hype on your part.
Thanks for the laugh, Winston.
Your continued faith in State, CIA, DOD, and "other intel and defense agencies" despite all their bumbling and screwups is touching.
Lol. If simply bombing the locals would get them to stop we could have won in Afghanistan.
How do you resupply the base? Just fly in a C-17 over Taliban territory where anybody with a MANPADS can shoot it down? You want to send armed convoys through enemy territory to bring in supplies? Trying to keep an airbase operational while it's completely surrounded is completely illogical and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of military tactics and operations. Now deflect to something else to hide the fact you don't know wtf you're talking about.
What's your point? You want to play word games?
A nuclear war implies both sides using nukes. That didn't happen.
Yeah, all their bumbling and screwups have led to no global wars or nuclear exchanges in the nearly 80 years since WW2. So sorry that the world isn't running as smoothly as you think it should be.
So what's the point? You ignore most of my post and focus on what defines a nuclear war?
Abandoning Ukraine and rewarding Russian aggression, while adhering to the MAGA doctrine of America first, also goes against what MAGA claims to believe in in........don't show weakness. China is the 21st century enemy and we have to demonstrate strength and resolve to counter them. You can't say we want to be America First while looking the other way when tyrannical despots invade sovereign countries. We will be sending the wrong signal to China at a time when we need to be showing resolve.
MAGA has nothing to do with this. We are talking about Biden's blunders to (1) start the war in Ukraine and (2) escalate it to the use of nuclear weapons.
I guess I'll post what you ignore. Less chance of you mischaracterizing what I'm saying.
China is the 21st century enemy and we have to demonstrate strength and resolve to counter them. You can't say we want to be America First while looking the other way when tyrannical despots invade sovereign countries. We will be sending the wrong signal to China at a time when we need to be showing resolve.
MAGA can't have it both ways. America First isolationism while attempting to check China's expansionist policies. They will see American withdrawal from the world stage as weakness.......something MAGA loves to accuse others of. Ukraine will be the first example.
