Petrino fired

[CardfbFanatic06]

Just a few fact checks here:

1. Petrino was not fired during his show. It was pre recorded and aired during his firing. Bad timing, but he was not fired in the middle of his show.

2. Someone said Louisville has a controversial AD with a bad reputation. I think you're thinking of Tom Jurich who was fired over a year ago.

3. It isn't just Brohm's family that he's connected to. Brohm's agent also lives in Louisville and is a fan. The current AD went to Brohm's high school 5 years before he did. That may not mean anything. Just sharing.

I have no idea if he will leave or not. Just wanted to clear some things up and add a few things.

 

[pmsullivan85]

Did you read the whole article? Only 22 Universities across the country have programs that are fully self-supporting. Florida State is the only University in the ACC self-supporting. Louisville had the 9th highest payroll for their coaches in the Country. They did not benefit from money from the Big TEN or SEC Network either. They had one of the highest payrolls that year because they had Pitino, Tom Jurich (former AD), and Dan McDonnell (Head Baseball Coach)...some of the highest paid in the country. They PAY for the right coaches. They also compete at a high level in several sports. The truth is..both Purdue and Louisville fans probably have a higher opinion of themselves that does not reflect what the national perception is of each program. But poking at Louisville about finances, who have built a new facility for every sport except football (though two additions and renovations) in the last 20 years, is short-sighted. ACC Network money starts kicking in 2019. They made Charlie Strong a Top 5 paid Coach in NCAA Football, they can make it happen again if they needed to.

Straw man much UL fans? My point was not about being self-supporting, but, even if it was, UL's situation has changed since then because of the buy-outs, loss of material sponsors, NCAA investigations, etc. An institution's financial ability varies over time; UL's is not the same as it was 24 months ago. Sorry, it is simply not. That $7mm operating loss is probably closer to $15mm at this point.

However, your straw man makes my argument even stronger if you wish to go down that road. Purdue's endowment is ~3x bigger than UL's. As such, if both schools were willing to take the illogical position of spending every last dollar to retain/obtain Coach Brohm's services, Purdue wins in a landslide.

I have twice given UL its due w/r/t to emotional attachment, and I have not said it will never happen. To the contrary, I have now twice noted that loyalty may outweigh cash. My issue is merely about the hubris of UL fans saying you can outspend Purdue. Unless math is different in Kentucky, $2.42B is materially larger than $719mm. Continuing to argue that UL is in the same stratosphere when it comes to money just makes your fan base look irrational which is generally not appealing to coaches.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Believe it or not, talking about it won't change a thing either way, Per Ripley!!!! Lol

 

[boilertiger05]

Louisville’s AD wouldn’t have pulled the trigger if he didn’t have faith he could land Brohm. Your program will be fine.

Petrino has been awful. This firing was happening regardless.

 

[pmsullivan85]

Louisville’s AD wouldn’t have pulled the trigger if he didn’t have faith he could land Brohm. Your program will be fine.

Sure, because things like loosing sponsors or sponsorship opportunities, loosing recruits, continued damage to the brand, getting a jump on the coaching search, etc. have zero role in the decision. I cannot believe I am saying this, but you guys make IU fans seem connected to reality, which is really saying something.

 

[One Bad Bird]

He's also an alumnus who played there, as did his brothers. It's a little more than simply "his hometown university". I doubt he takes it, but to deny the reality of the situation is foolish.

FWIW. His father was a QB at Louisville and his mother a cheerleader. They have long been referred to as the First Family of Louisville football.

 

[StoopsTroops2013]

Straw man much UL fans? My point was not about being self-supporting, but, even if it was, UL's situation has changed since then because of the buy-outs, loss of material sponsors, NCAA investigations, etc. An institution's financial ability varies over time; UL's is not the same as it was 24 months ago. Sorry, it is simply not. That $7mm operating loss is probably closer to $15mm at this point.

However, your straw man makes my argument even stronger if you wish to go down that road. Purdue's endowment is ~3x bigger than UL's. As such, if both schools were willing to take the illogical position of spending every last dollar to retain/obtain Coach Brohm's services, Purdue wins in a landslide.

I have twice given UL its due w/r/t to emotional attachment, and I have not said it will never happen. To the contrary, I have now twice noted that loyalty may outweigh cash. My issue is merely about the hubris of UL fans saying you can outspend Purdue. Unless math is different in Kentucky, $2.42B is materially larger than $719mm. Continuing to argue that UL is in the same stratosphere when it comes to money just makes your fan base look irrational which is generally not appealing to coaches.

So now we are not talking athletic budgets...we are talking endowments. LOL, I love how you fingerpainted 7million to a "prob closer to 15 million" too. That is cute. I am done having a discussion here. I had to go to your wiki to see what about Purdue Athletics I was missing in the last 50 years. My bad, I did not realize all of the success. LOL Good luck in your "stratosphere".

 

[ulrey]

This reminds me of when everyone was saying Paul George is going to LA his hometown but he didnt. Don't jump to conclusions.

lol

 

[One Bad Bird]

Dan dakich announced a few days ago news was coming and further clarified it was the football coach being fired and the targets were UAB coach or Charlie Strong. If he got the info on the firing and called when it would happen I would say his info has some merit.

Don't know about the UAB coach, but CS will not be considered. When he left he was involved with the wife of a very prominent UofL booster and the affair led to a divorce. This was not a rumor. It was front page news.

 

[pmsullivan85]

So now we are not talking athletic budgets...we are talking endowments. LOL, I love how you fingerpainted 7million to a "prob closer to 15 million" too. That is cute. I am done having a discussion here. I had to go to your wiki to see what about Purdue Athletics I was missing in the last 50 years. My bad, I did not realize all of the success. LOL Good luck in your "stratosphere".

Okay, I now see why UL is the 171st ranked academic school in the US. You made it about the overall finances by saying the fact UL athletics was operating at a loss did not matter, because UL was subsidized by UL's general budget. I merely responded to your new argument, which I am pretty sure is how debate works.

Please accept my sincere apologies for pointing out your argument made your position worse not better. As they say, don't let the facts get in the way of a good narrative. Have fun when the only coach UL can afford and who is willing to go to the dumpster fire that is UL athletics is Darrell Hazell. We will put in a good word for you!

 

[One Bad Bird]

Petrino was fired while doing his tv show.

No, the show was prerecorded.

 

[chaspark]

So now we are not talking athletic budgets...we are talking endowments. LOL, I love how you fingerpainted 7million to a "prob closer to 15 million" too. That is cute. I am done having a discussion here. I had to go to your wiki to see what about Purdue Athletics I was missing in the last 50 years. My bad, I did not realize all of the success. LOL Good luck in your "stratosphere".

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...ins-costs-coach-salaries-subsidies/727139001/

No point in making a lot of revenue if you are spending more.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Sure, because things like loosing sponsors or sponsorship opportunities, loosing recruits, continued damage to the brand, getting a jump on the coaching search, etc. have zero role in the decision. I cannot believe I am saying this, but you guys make IU fans seem connected to reality, which is really saying something.

The only difference between IU fans and UK fans is that IU fans marry their cousins UK fans marry their siblings.

 

[chaspark]

Okay, I now see why UL is the 171st ranked academic school in the US. You made it about the overall finances by saying the fact UL athletics was operating at a loss did not matter, because UL was subsidized by UL's general budget. I merely responded to your new argument, which I am pretty sure is how debate works.

Please accept my sincere apologies for pointing out your argument made your position worse not better. As they say, don't let the facts get in the way of a good narrative. Have fun when the only coach UL can afford and who is willing to go to the dumpster fire that is UL athletics is Darrell Hazell. We will put in a good word for you!

No no no no. I would not wish Darrel Hazell even to my worst enemy, much less Louisville!

...well, maybe IU, but that’s it!

 

[SIBoiler2]

Don't know about the UAB coach, but CS will not be considered. When he left he was involved with the wife of a very prominent UofL booster and the affair led to a divorce. This was not a rumor. It was front page news.

What's that have to do with anything at UL? Pitino was screwing a gal in a restaurant and that was just fine.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

FWIW. His father was a QB at Louisville and his mother a cheerleader. They have long been referred to as the First Family of Louisville football.

Wow really? I had not heard that.

 

[pmsullivan85]

So now we are not talking athletic budgets...we are talking endowments. LOL, I love how you fingerpainted 7million to a "prob closer to 15 million" too. That is cute. I am done having a discussion here. I had to go to your wiki to see what about Purdue Athletics I was missing in the last 50 years. My bad, I did not realize all of the success. LOL Good luck in your "stratosphere".

Also, pretty sure the only fan base that requires its "fingers" to count anything is UL. When you were on our wiki page you might have noted between the College of Engineering, School of Management and College of Pharmacy we are known for being pretty good in a few subjects that require mathematical ability that exceeds what can be done with your fingers and toes like in your neck of the woods; that whole first and last man on the moon thing did not happen by accident.

 

[Ville101]

Read this and ask yourself if Purdue has problems like this: Louisville AD and University spending problems

The answer is....no. Again, the only thing UofL has over Purdue is it is his hometown. Purdue has every advantage over UofL. MBob needs to show and likely has shown all of the positives Purdue has for Brohm, his staff, and his family.

However, if Brohm wants to leave I have full confidence in the AD to find a great hire to carry on what Brohn has started.

lol.

By no means are we some powerhouse football program, but we are certainly above the level of Purdue football. The fact that you think Purdue “has every advantage over UofL” is pathetic.

This years team might be our worst of all time. But it definitely doesn’t define our program. A lot of people forget that just two years ago we were competing for a playoff spot with our Heisman quarterback.

First of all, we don’t have an AD problem anymore. Jurich and the old regime are gone. Our new AD Tyra has been a breathe of fresh air. In fact, he is buddies with Brohm (they went to high school together in Louisville). Secondly, you are definitely overestimating our spending problem. The athletic budget is something close to 120 million (compared to Purdue’s 80 million). If you listen to the presser from today, you would understand that money is not a problem. But go ahead, keep telling yourself that.

One of the first things a coach looks at is tradition. Does Louisville have a strong football tradition? No. But it is hard to ignore our success since the turn of the century. Wins in the Orange and Sugar bowls, a Heisman trophy winner, 8 or more wins in 12 out of the last 18 years (6 straight). Purdue, in the other hand, has sucked for a long time quite frankly (I don’t think you all have been ranked since ‘03 lol).

Louisville also has much better facilities. This isn’t even a question. Our newly renovated stadium makes Ross-Ade look like a rust bucket.

Louisville is easier to recruit to. I think we’ve landed a top 50 class every year since 2010. Purdue has done so once.

Combine all of this with the fact that the Brohm family is football royalty in Louisville, and it’s a no brainer.

Good luck with your search for a new head coach.

 

[bmb81664]

Not the same scenario but UCF fans thought no way Scott Frost would choose Nebraska either. They felt he would choose Florida, Tenn or stay at UCF. He wasn't ready to leave UCF but Mike Riley sucked so bad Nebraska had to let him go. Purdue is definitely a step up from UCF but the alma mater is hard to resist when you are a Brohm or a Frost.

 

[pmsullivan85]

Not the same scenario but UCF fans thought no way Scott Frost would choose Nebraska either. They felt he would choose Florida, Tenn or stay at UCF. He wasn't ready to leave UCF but Mike Riley sucked so bad Nebraska had to let him go. Purdue is definitely a step up from UCF but the alma mater is hard to resist when you are a Brohm or a Frost.

Yes, this is UL's argument. Your fan base should stick to it. Myself and I think most everyone else on this board has acknowledged the draw of going home is material and not something we can compete with if that is what matters. The argument that money is not an issue is contradicted by UL's own statements over the last few months (do you really think your AD is going to say money is an issue at the presser and turn off half the coaches it wants to talk to before even starting the search? Come on . . .). If Coach Brohm wants to go to UL, you guys are getting a heck of a coach, but I think it is far from as clear cut as some of the UL (and closet IU fans pretending to be UL fans) are making it seem.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

If you're Bobo, you're sitting with Brohm and locking him up tonight, no? I would think being proactive instead of reactive would be the best appraoch for Purdue.

 

[chaspark]

Okay, enough bashing each other. I hold no real grudge against Louisville so let’s compromise.

1. Purdue has enough money to outbid Louisville if needed. Louisville, however, likes Brohm enough to get the money somewhere if Brohm is willing to come.

2. Football-wise, Purdue is in a better position than Louisville thanks to Brohm himself. Louisville is a mess right now, (otherwise UL wouldn’t have fired Petrino now) and Clemson is a tough wall to climb in the same division. Purdue, on the other hand, don’t really have such an obstacle in the division.

3. However, Brohm’s personal ties with UL is undeniable. He has built a relationship with people at Purdue but is it enough to keep him at WL? I honestly don’t know.

So until Brohm’s press conference tomorrow, let’s stop bashing each other.

P.S. Louisvilleis NOT above Purdue in football. Definitely not historically, and recently maybe on an similar level, thanks to Brohm, though.

 

[purduepat1969]

FWIW. His father was a QB at Louisville and his mother a cheerleader. They have long been referred to as the First Family of Louisville football.

You're kidding? First family of Louisville. Never heard that...

It's only been pointed out as the main narrative by every half wit U of L fan and their sister/wife.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Don't know about the UAB coach, but CS will not be considered. When he left he was involved with the wife of a very prominent UofL booster and the affair led to a divorce. This was not a rumor. It was front page news.

Yes, because UL has long been the moral authority of college sports.

 

[CardinalJim]

https://purdue.rivals.com/news/the-first-family-of-louisville-the-brohms-find-home-at-purdue

 

[CardinalJim]

http://goldandblackdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/FirstFamilyDigital.pdf

 

[StoopsTroops2013]

Taken from a Louisville board...thoughts?

"Reading the Purdue forums, most of their fans seem to think that a move to Louisville from Purdue would be a step down. Of course we all know this isn't true, but I thought I'd list the reasons why a move to Louisville would easily be a step up from Purdue.

I must add.. While this current season does play into the attractiveness of the Louisville job, it does not define our program.

Anyways, here it goes:

1) Historically, both programs are even (all-time wins, bowl record, etc), but Purdue got a 50 year head start..

2) Since the turn of the century (2000);

*Louisville has produced wins in the Orange and Sugar bowls, 5 other bowls, and a Heisman trophy
winner just two years ago. Purdue has won no major bowl games, but won 4 other bowls.
*Louisville has won 8 or more games 12 times (6 straight) since 2000. Purdue 4 times (not since 2007).
*Louisville has finished the season ranked 8 out of the last 18 seasons. Purdue hasn't been ranked
since 2003 (LOL).

3) Coaches win at Louisville. Coaches don't win at Purdue.

Louisville has produced several NFL and high profile coaches like John L. Smith, Charlie Strong, Howard Schnellenberger, and Bobby Petrino (we can forget about his last season).
Purdue, on the other hand, has produced one winning coach in the last 3 decades (Joe Tiller).

4) Louisville has much better facilities than Purdue.

This is a fact. Cardinal Stadium (newly renovated) makes Ross-Ade look like a run-down high school track stadium.

5) Louisville is easier to recruit to than Purdue.

Louisville has produced a top 50 class every year since 2010. Purdue has once. If Brohm does come, his only serious competition for local talent is Kentucky.

6) Louisville itself is a much nicer city than West Laffayette (gross). Louisville is all college sports.

Combine these factors with Brohms local ties, and this is a no brainer. I also think Brohm has a better shot at winning in the ACC than he does in the Big 10.

The only things Purdue can really cling to is their historic production of quarterbacks and their current upward trajectory under Brohm. Otherwise, Purdue just isn't a good football program whatsoever. Louisville is clearly more attractive.

Last thing I should add: You know you've hit rock bottom when you have to argue your program is more attractive than Purdue's."

 

[chaspark]

https://purdue.rivals.com/news/the-first-family-of-louisville-the-brohms-find-home-at-purdue

Guess sarcasm isn’t your strength.

 

[StoopsTroops2013]

I agree with what another Louisville poster said... Louisville should not worry about whether or not Brohm wants to stay at Purdue, they should worry whether he has his eyes on NFL or a blue chip program.

 

[chaspark]

Taken from a Louisville board...thoughts?

"Reading the Purdue forums, most of their fans seem to think that a move to Louisville from Purdue would be a step down. Of course we all know this isn't true, but I thought I'd list the reasons why a move to Louisville would easily be a step up from Purdue.

I must add.. While this current season does play into the attractiveness of the Louisville job, it does not define our program.

Anyways, here it goes:

1) Historically, both programs are even (all-time wins, bowl record, etc), but Purdue got a 50 year head start..

2) Since the turn of the century (2000);

*Louisville has produced wins in the Orange and Sugar bowls, 5 other bowls, and a Heisman trophy
winner just two years ago. Purdue has won no major bowl games, but won 4 other bowls.
*Louisville has won 8 or more games 12 times (6 straight) since 2000. Purdue 4 times (not since 2007).
*Louisville has finished the season ranked 8 out of the last 18 seasons. Purdue hasn't been ranked
since 2003 (LOL).

3) Coaches win at Louisville. Coaches don't win at Purdue.

Louisville has produced several NFL and high profile coaches like John L. Smith, Charlie Strong, Howard Schnellenberger, and Bobby Petrino (we can forget about his last season).
Purdue, on the other hand, has produced one winning coach in the last 3 decades (Joe Tiller).

4) Louisville has much better facilities than Purdue.

This is a fact. Cardinal Stadium (newly renovated) makes Ross-Ade look like a run-down high school track stadium.

5) Louisville is easier to recruit to than Purdue.

Louisville has produced a top 50 class every year since 2010. Purdue has once. If Brohm does come, his only serious competition for local talent is Kentucky.

6) Louisville itself is a much nicer city than West Laffayette (gross). Louisville is all college sports.

Combine these factors with Brohms local ties, and this is a no brainer. I also think Brohm has a better shot at winning in the ACC than he does in the Big 10.

The only things Purdue can really cling to is their historic production of quarterbacks and their current upward trajectory under Brohm. Otherwise, Purdue just isn't a good football program whatsoever. Louisville is clearly more attractive.

Last thing I should add: You know you've hit rock bottom when you have to argue your program is more attractive than Purdue's."

So Louisville fans think they are the greatest thing put on God’s green earth? What a surprise. Pray tell, then, why was Petrino, one of the greatest offensive mind in football, unable to win this season and got fired with all that facility and recruiting class?

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

This is so great to have all these UL and IU fans coming over today to talk Purdue football.

 

[13thman]

It’s just funny hearing all the IU fans chiming in. They know he’ll be a problem at Purdue if he stays and they’re hoping like heck he leaves.

You don't seem to have a problem chiming in on the IU board

 

[StoopsTroops2013]

So Louisville fans think they are the greatest thing put on God’s green earth? What a surprise. Pray tell, then, why was Petrino, one of the greatest offensive mind in football, unable to win this season and got fired with all that facility and recruiting class?

Ouch, sounds like they may have hit a nerve..... pointing out facts. But to answer your question, Petrino is not the guy anymore apparently. Why does Harbaugh struggle at Michigan? Why did Strong struggle at Texas? It was not because of resources or facilities. Petrino was fired because he is not the guy anymore. His creative playcalling has not been creative in 8 or 9 years. We are not Michigan or Texas but we have plenty to offer a coach on the rise. People have pointed to Clemson in Louisville's ACC division as a roadblock or obstacle to success. They played them within a touchdown our first three meetings since joining the ACC. They are beatable. The old administration has been cleared out both in Athletics and Academics. The financial woes are temporary but not insurmountable. Louisville is a college town, boosters and sponsors will rally around a new coach. The future is bright.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

As a Card fan, I know that people here are ape-$hit over Brohm coming home. I can see why they feel that way. But I am not 100% sold on this being the best thing for our program. I have said as much on our boards.

Jeff is doing very well at Purdue, and doing it much quicker than I ever thought he would. It sure helps that Petrino ignored the Louisville area high school talent, and let it leave the city in droves. Jeff snatched up Rondale Moore and just got a commitment from the best player in the city this year in Milton Wright.

You have to believe that whoever the new coach will be in Louisville won't be as cavalier with the local talent. If that dries up for JB, will he be able to continue doing as well at Purdue? Perhaps. Impossible to know.

In looking past Brohm, there are a bunch of young hungry coaches I would be intrigued by. This UAB coach is one of them, and as much as Dan Dakich is an a$$, it's interesting he mentioned him.

Regardless of how things end with Jeff Brohm, I will continue to root for Purdue, as I have always felt a kinship for the non-state-flagship schools in every state. I love your school president, and your AD sounds good too. You guys are in good hands no matter what happens. And I feel confident that we will be fine, with or without Jeff Brohm as our head coach.

 

[chaspark]

Ouch, sounds like we may have hit a nerve..... pointing out facts. But to answer your question, Petrino is not the guy anymore apparently. Why does Harbaugh struggle at Michigan? Why did Strong struggle at Texas? It was not because of resources or facilities. Petrino was fired because he is not the guy anymore. His creative playcalling has not been creative in 8 or 9 years. We are not Michigan or Texas but we have plenty to offer a coach on the rise. People have pointed to Clemson in our division as a roadblock or obstacle to success. We played them within a touchdown our first three meetings since joining the ACC. They are beatable. The old administration has been cleared out both in Athletics and Academics. The financial woes are temporary but not insurmountable. Louisville is a college town, boosters and sponsors will rally around a new coach. The future is bright.

Oh no, no nerve touched. You talk about almost beating Clemson within a TD, but no one would boast that after losing to them this year with 77-16 score. You are firing Petrino after one losing record, albeit an awful one. Last time we did that we ended up with Darrel Hazell. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[One Bad Bird]

Yes, because UL has long been the moral authority of college sports.

That bball coach is gone. That AD is gone. There is a new sherrif in town.

 

[One Bad Bird]

You're kidding? First family of Louisville. Never heard that...

It's only been pointed out as the main narrative by every half wit U of L fan and their sister/wife.

Excuse me for not reading three pages of posts before making this post. Stay classy purduepat1969.

 

[One Bad Bird]

What's that have to do with anything at UL? Pitino was screwing a gal in a restaurant and that was just fine.

That was not fine with everyone in the fan base. Pitino is gone and Tom Jurich is gone. Hoping the acceptance of that type of activity is in the past.

 

[td75]

So now we are not talking athletic budgets...we are talking endowments. LOL, I love how you fingerpainted 7million to a "prob closer to 15 million" too. That is cute. I am done having a discussion here. I had to go to your wiki to see what about Purdue Athletics I was missing in the last 50 years. My bad, I did not realize all of the success. LOL Good luck in your "stratosphere".

Their athletics have been moderately successful...largely because of Keady and some nice Big Ten bball titles he mustered. Their football program has had a few years here and there but largely inconsistent and completely irrelevant in the scheme of things.

The old saying about Purdue has always been they don't play for championships, they play Indiana instead...meaning Indiana is their championship. Do your homework and you'll quickly notice Purdue is not a championship program in either football or basketball.

Their opinion of their football program is absolutely shocking. IU will be playing them in two weeks for bragging rights to keep the Old Oaken Bucket for 5 out of 6 years!!!!

 

[IndySouthsider]

You're being naive here. He and his family are deeply rooted in the city and University of Louisville. He's their top candidate, and he'll consider it very carefully. He might stay, he might go, but considering what may be a once in a lifetime opportunity to return to his hometown and alma mater hardly makes him dishonest or insincere or even a bad guy.

Once in a lifetime. That’s amazingly hilarious. Once in a lifetime. Ok sure whatever you say.

Their athletics have been moderately successful...largely because of Keady and some nice Big Ten bball titles he mustered. Their football program has had a few years here and there but largely inconsistent and completely irrelevant in the scheme of things.

The old saying about Purdue has always been they don't play for championships, they play Indiana instead...meaning Indiana is their championship. Do your homework and you'll quickly notice Purdue is not a championship program in either football or basketball.

Their opinion of their football program is absolutely shocking. IU will be playing them in two weeks for bragging rights to keep the Old Oaken Bucket for 5 out of 6 years!!!!

This is priceless. This guy follows one of the historically single worst D1 teams of all time talking smack about a team whom has a historical winning record.