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Our nation's COVID-19 response is a disaster !

Everyone should be pissed about this. Trump just tweeted again about Obamacare in the last day or so, in the middle of a pandemic, and has offered zero in terms of a replacement. He’s made a huge goddamned deal about it, promised a beautiful plan, and has given us two things: jack and shit.

Look, I get it, you’re in denial and more than willing to go down with the ship. But is this the hill you really wanna die on?
You really need to stop talking about Obamacare if you don’t purchase your insurance through the market exchange set up by the unaffordable healthcare act. Our insurance costs over double now compared to what it used to. Newsflash - we’re in our 50’s now and do not want or need a policy that covers birth control and pregnancy.
 
You really need to stop talking about Obamacare if you don’t purchase your insurance through the market exchange set up by the unaffordable healthcare act. Our insurance costs over double now compared to what it used to. Newsflash - we’re in our 50’s now and do not want or need a policy that covers birth control and pregnancy.

Hey genius, maybe tell Cheeto to quit talking about it then.
 
You really need to stop talking about Obamacare if you don’t purchase your insurance through the market exchange set up by the unaffordable healthcare act. Our insurance costs over double now compared to what it used to. Newsflash - we’re in our 50’s now
You really need to stop talking about Obamacare if you don’t purchase your insurance through the market exchange set up by the unaffordable healthcare act. Our insurance costs over double now compared to what it used to. Newsflash - we’re in our 50’s now and do not want or need a policy that covers birth control and pregnancy.


I resent paying on my employer health insurance for families and spouses. Very, very annoying and expensive.
 
You really need to stop talking about Obamacare if you don’t purchase your insurance through the market exchange set up by the unaffordable healthcare act. Our insurance costs over double now compared to what it used to. Newsflash - we’re in our 50’s now and do not want or need a policy that covers birth control and pregnancy.

Oh good. By your criteria I'm allowed to talk about it then. I spend $1400/mo to cover my family.

Wanna debate with me about it or do you want to change the parameters of who is allowed to talk about it first?

Take a minute and set your ground rules.... And if you think you have enough energy and knowledge about this to engage let me know
 
Oh good. By your criteria I'm allowed to talk about it then. I spend $1400/mo to cover my family.

Wanna debate with me about it or do you want to change the parameters of who is allowed to talk about it first?

Take a minute and set your ground rules.... And if you think you have enough energy and knowledge about this to engage let me know
You have a good deal. My wife and I were paying over $1800/mo with a $17000 deductible each with AMbetter before going on Medicare. Affordable Care Act not to good for many.
 
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Definitely remember "Florida will be the next New York" predictions from March.

New York Covid 19 Deaths per Capita 150
Florida Covid 19 Deaths per Capita 16
You really want to keep doing this to yourself lol?

You're moving the argument away from infections to deaths......when you don't know the future any more than I do. At some point you could run out of stats to brag about.

My point is simply you were on here talked by shit about infections.......I believe you even said the media should apologize to DeSantos if memory serves.

I don't recall you ever acknowledging the differences between NY/NJ and Miami and Houston. That plane loads of people arrived there from Europe.

I mean JFC, Florida and Texas are setting daily records and you're on here talking about somebody making predictions in MARCH? I think I'd just STFU and see what happens.
 
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You really want to keep doing this to yourself lol?

You're moving the argument away from infections to deaths......when you don't know the future any more than I do. At some point you could run out of stats to brag about.

My point is simply you were on here talked by shit about infections.......I believe you even said the media should apologize to DeSantos if memory serves.

I don't recall you ever acknowledging the differences between NY/NJ and Miami and Houston. That plane loads of people arrived there from Europe.

I mean JFC, Florida and Texas are setting daily records and you're on here talking about somebody making predictions in MARCH? I think I'd just STFU and see what happens.
I have always focused on the death totals. Case totals used to be more predictive early on when the average age was very old.

Desantis has done a good job of focusing on the most vulnerable, while at same time making decisions based on data. Cuomo said his mother wasn't expendable....called it "Matilda's law"...said he was going to protect the most vulnerable. The very next day he signed the executive order forcing infectious Covid 19 patients back into Nursing homes. Not only was that disaster, it's still a great mystery why he was so opposed to a quarantine for New York City.....instead of seeding 60-65% of the spread in U.S.

You bring up Texas.

New York Death Per Capita 150
Texas Death Per Capita 8

You're on here bashing Abbott and Desantis.....really??
 
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You're on here bashing Abbott and Desantis.....really??

Abbott and Desantis were wrong to reopen their economies the way they did without showing strong leadership on wearing masks in public and using social distancing.

Both have practically tripled their case numbers in a month and have now placed their economies and the healthcare systems in peril.
 
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WTF are you even talking about. Your orange boy is the one going mad about Obamacare right now, so it’s fitting to discuss it, is it not?
First of all, don't call him my boy. I didn't vote for him. I just try to push back to get rid of some of the TDS because there's a lot of it out there.

What's wrong with trying to tackle something that was mostly a failure? I agree he should focus more on Covid atm. But it wouldn't make me sad one bit to see Obamacare go. Can't do that though until there is a solid replacement plan.
 
The sad thing is that Trump is insistent on great protection against COVID for himself not that I disagree with great protection for the President but that is proof that he knows how bad this pandemic is. One of his friends died of COVID plus he has said he is a “germaphobe” He won’t wear a mask because he doesn’t care about or have sympathy or empathy with the rest of us.
How much will it really effect if he doesn't wear a mask? It only really helps if you HAVE covid to stop the spread. It doesn't do much for contracting it (I didn't say it does nothing, just very little). If he's isolated enough to where it's unlikely he'd get Covid, then I don't see why it's unreasonable for him to not wear a mask.

If you're going to argue that people won't wear them because he doesn't. Then those people are stupid. Anyone that doesn't do something only because they see the president no doing it are sheep. I would hope those are few and far between. There are people that don't want to wear masks for other reasons. I doubt many of them do so because the president doesn't.
 
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Definitely remember "Florida will be the next New York" predictions from March.

New York Covid 19 Deaths per Capita 150
Florida Covid 19 Deaths per Capita 16
It's early yet. I'd wait till their current outbreak slows before comparing death rates. Florida has a much higher elderly population so deaths could easily get higher than NY. Then again, I doubt Florida will do anything so stupid as put infected people into nursing homes.
 
How much will it really effect if he doesn't wear a mask? It only really helps if you HAVE covid to stop the spread. It doesn't do much for contracting it (I didn't say it does nothing, just very little). If he's isolated enough to where it's unlikely he'd get Covid, then I don't see why it's unreasonable for him to not wear a mask.

If you're going to argue that people won't wear them because he doesn't. Then those people are stupid. Anyone that doesn't do something only because the see the president no doing it are sheep.


NOT true ! Masks have been proven to work. Period. Why do you think our healthcare providers even made there own, when the president didn't provide any? It certainly wasn't because they had the virus !

South Korea - 30 cases/day (and many of them made their own masks !)
Even ITALY - 200 cases/day
U.S. - 40,000 cases/day now

Need I say more?

PS A number of Trump supporters "are" sheep, so they desperately need a shepperd modeling the right behavior, but Trump isn't worried about THEIR families - only what's in it for HIM.
 
First of all, don't call him my boy. I didn't vote for him. I just try to push back to get rid of some of the TDS because there's a lot of it out there.

What's wrong with trying to tackle something that was mostly a failure? I agree he should focus more on Covid atm. But it wouldn't make me sad one bit to see Obamacare go. Can't do that though until there is a solid replacement plan.

You support him all the time; he’s most definitely your boy.

You’re changing your argument here. First you said why bring up Obamacare. Now you’re saying why shouldn’t we? Which is it? He promised a beautiful replacement plan for it and has offered nothing. Instead, he’s pushing to get rid of it IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC, which would kick millions off of insurance altogether, and again has offered NOTHING as a replacement. You’re good with that?

Jfc you’re a mess dude.
 
How much will it really effect if he doesn't wear a mask? It only really helps if you HAVE covid to stop the spread. It doesn't do much for contracting it (I didn't say it does nothing, just very little). If he's isolated enough to where it's unlikely he'd get Covid, then I don't see why it's unreasonable for him to not wear a mask.

If you're going to argue that people won't wear them because he doesn't. Then those people are stupid. Anyone that doesn't do something only because they see the president no doing it are sheep. I would hope those are few and far between. There are people that don't want to wear masks for other reasons. I doubt many of them do so because the president doesn't.

What’s the address of the cave you live in? Mercy.
 
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I have always focused on the death totals. Case totals used to be more predictive early on when the average age was very old.

Desantis has done a good job of focusing on the most vulnerable, while at same time making decisions based on data. Cuomo said his mother wasn't expendable....called it "Matilda's law"...said he was going to protect the most vulnerable. The very next day he signed the executive order forcing infectious Covid 19 patients back into Nursing homes. Not only was that disaster, it's still a great mystery why he was so opposed to a quarantine for New York City.....instead of seeding 60-65% of the spread in U.S.

You bring up Texas.

New York Death Per Capita 150
Texas Death Per Capita 8

You're on here bashing Abbott and Desantis.....really??
Unlikely the virus will spread as much this summer. As places are opening back up in US and Europe....we aren't seeing major issues. The big question is will the 2nd wave be stronger in the fall/winter....or will it be weakened?

The biggest concern I would have is cities with large subway systems. For whatever reason that issue has been largely ignored.

Yeah, really.

No state will ever reach the death numbers that NY. has. You can continue to harp on Cuomo's mistakes while ignoring the realities associated with NY being the epicenter of the virus.......it fits your narrative and allows You to ignore what's happening elsewhere.

What you fail to acknowledge in your repeated mentions of data driven actions in the states now seeing massive increases is that their governors didn't learn from the mistakes made in the Northeast, they didn't rely on data after their reopening, didn't follow the phase requirements for reopening, and they listened to Trump instead of the experts.

I don't blame you for wanting to deflect from your premature touchdown dance.........and yet you're at it again.

Texas and Florida will never reach the death rates of NY so you will continue to emphasize that stat. That doesn't mean their governors are doing a great job when they are setting records for infections in late June. Look at the daily charts and tell me which states have flattened the curve.
 
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We can probably all agree that Obamacare was for the most part written by the healthcare insurance industry. Don’t believe me? Check out the stock price graph for the last 10 years for UnitedHealthcare, Anthem, etc. paying for all of the basics out of pocket while carrying a policy that covers the major items would save everyone a ton of money. Allowing us to purchase policies across state lines would decrease the cost of insurance.
NOT true ! Masks have been proven to work. Period. Why do you think our healthcare providers even made there own, when the president didn't provide any? It certainly wasn't because they had the virus !

South Korea - 30 cases/day (and many of them made their own masks !)
Even ITALY - 200 cases/day
U.S. - 40,000 cases/day now

Need I say more?

PS A number of Trump supporters "are" sheep, so they desperately need a shepperd modeling the right behavior, but Trump isn't worried about THEIR families - only what's in it for HIM.
You need say no more. Wear your f'ing mask and shut the hell up.
 
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We do have adequate testing. Have you been tested? If not, I guarantee you that it's not due to a lack of tests. Are you advocating for mandatory testing for all 350 million of us?

I keep hanging out at the Target parking lot near me where i was told months ago by the orange shit stain that they would have drive up testing. It’s not there. So no, there isn’t adequate testing no matter how you want to spin it. Keep believing the lies buddy.
 
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I keep hanging out at the Target parking lot near me where i was told months ago by the orange shit stain that they would have drive up testing. It’s not there. So no, there isn’t adequate testing no matter how you want to spin it. Keep believing the lies buddy.
Sounds like something you should discuss with Target and whomever set that testing area up. Ask any doctor and I guarantee you that you can get tested.
 
We can probably all agree that Obamacare was for the most part written by the healthcare insurance industry. Don’t believe me? Check out the stock price graph for the last 10 years for UnitedHealthcare, Anthem, etc. paying for all of the basics out of pocket while carrying a policy that covers the major items would save everyone a ton of money. Allowing us to purchase policies across state lines would decrease the cost of insurance.

You need say no more. Wear your f'ing mask and shut the hell up.

Well, I guess your going to be disappointed aren't you - deal with it !
 
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NOT true ! Masks have been proven to work. Period. Why do you think our healthcare providers even made there own, when the president didn't provide any? It certainly wasn't because they had the virus !

South Korea - 30 cases/day (and many of them made their own masks !)
Even ITALY - 200 cases/day
U.S. - 40,000 cases/day now

Need I say more?

PS A number of Trump supporters "are" sheep, so they desperately need a shepperd modeling the right behavior, but Trump isn't worried about THEIR families - only what's in it for HIM.
That data is deceiving. The number of cases are going to change country by country based on their ability to test. The US has by far the greatest ability to test than any other country.

We tend to forget about Sweden. Again, a country that didn't lock down, and their total death numbers are quite low if this virus is as bad as it's being made out to be.

I mentioned before that I thought our total death numbers are inflated. I pointed out the instance with Colorado and how they changed their methodology and now their death numbers dropped by 25%. I'm willing to bet most states could do something similar. Then there's the thousands of people that died unnecessarily because governors were putting Covid positive people in nursing homes. Now I'm finding this article that talks about nurses saying people are dying in hospitals by clear negligence.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/coronavirus-nurse-says-negligence-has-patients-dying-at-nyc-hospitals/

In reference to the section in bold above. There is no way in hell you can know this. You're just making gross speculation based on what you feel.
 
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You support him all the time; he’s most definitely your boy.

You’re changing your argument here. First you said why bring up Obamacare. Now you’re saying why shouldn’t we? Which is it? He promised a beautiful replacement plan for it and has offered nothing. Instead, he’s pushing to get rid of it IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC, which would kick millions off of insurance altogether, and again has offered NOTHING as a replacement. You’re good with that?

Jfc you’re a mess dude.
LOL, well obviously you couldn't understand what I was getting at, as well as the people that liked your post. I don't feel like explaining so have fun with that.
 
What’s the address of the cave you live in? Mercy.
This isn't controversial information. Like I said, wearing a mask can help stop someone from getting covid, but the most effective part of wearing a mask is to prevent the wearer from spreading it, not catching it.

Experts have said many times how people can catch Covid with improper use of masks. I see people fiddle with their mask a lot because they itch, doesn't fit properly, etc. Every time they touch the mask and their face inadvertently, they can catch Covid.
 
LOL, well obviously you couldn't understand what I was getting at, as well as the people that liked your post. I don't feel like explaining so have fun with that.

If you’re making a point, then make it. I don’t need to try you decipher your word salad attempt.
 
Yeah, really.

No state will ever reach the death numbers that NY. has. You can continue to harp on Cuomo's mistakes while ignoring the realities associated with NY being the epicenter of the virus.......it fits your narrative and allows You to ignore what's happening elsewhere.

What you fail to acknowledge in your repeated mentions of data driven actions in the states now seeing massive increases is that their governors didn't learn from the mistakes made in the Northeast, they didn't rely on data after their reopening, didn't follow the phase requirements for reopening, and they listened to Trump instead of the experts.

I don't blame you for wanting to deflect from your premature touchdown dance.........and yet you're at it again.

Texas and Florida will never reach the death rates of NY so you will continue to emphasize that stat. That doesn't mean their governors are doing a great job when they are setting records for infections in late June. Look at the daily charts and tell me which states have flattened the curve.
OMG, NY City was NOT the epicenter. Covid was here very early on in the Chicago area. People weren't dying on mass then. NY ****ed it's people with their stupid policies and now we're hearing nurses speak out in NY hospitals that people are dying because the medical staff are making mistakes. LOTS of them.
 
OMG, NY City was NOT the epicenter. Covid was here very early on in the Chicago area. People weren't dying on mass then. NY ****ed it's people with their stupid policies and now we're hearing nurses speak out in NY hospitals that people are dying because the medical staff are making mistakes. LOTS of them.

No it wasn’t.
 
You support him all the time; he’s most definitely your boy.

You’re changing your argument here. First you said why bring up Obamacare. Now you’re saying why shouldn’t we? Which is it? He promised a beautiful replacement plan for it and has offered nothing. Instead, he’s pushing to get rid of it IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC, which would kick millions off of insurance altogether, and again has offered NOTHING as a replacement. You’re good with that?

Jfc you’re a mess dude.
Fine, if you really need me to answer you here it is.

I was asking why you were bringing up Obamacare because the indignation over it made no sense to me. So that's what I was referring to when I was saying why are you bringing it up.

Then I said, I don't see why the president shouldn't be bringing the issue up. It needs to be addressed. Our healthcare system is a mess. Actually, check that. Our health care insurance system is a mess. We actually have the best "care" in the world, but between government intervention, frivolous law suits and now the insurance issues that were made worse with Obamacare our health care is crazy expensive.

My son fell on some ice while skating this winter. We took him to an emergency room to get him stitched up (it was the closest thing and his cut on the chin was pretty big). We also have really good insurance through my wifes job. My son received 6 stitches in his chin. My insurance company paid about $2,500 of the bill. We had to pay the remaining $625!!! For 6 GD stitches. Going to single payer isn't the answer either because our "care" will go to shit and we'd be taxed out the ass to get that shit care.

We need a more free market solution just like lasik has been allowed to do. That is a shining example of what our healthcare system could be if we allowed the market to work.
 
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No it wasn’t.
Yes it was. It was here in December. People that I know in the area that work in hospitals say they had a spike in hospitalizations with flu like symptoms but were testing negative for flu. Nobody knew what it was at that time. In my neighborhood we were only 8 kids shy of kids home sick to where they would shut the school down in January. Some schools in the area did shut down during that time. We now know that the flu season was a very mild one. What do you think caused all that? Do you really think it was some other pandemic that we didn't even know about?

Ohio has confirmed cases of Covid in early January. How do you think it got there at that time?
 
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