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One Really Violent Day

These are valid questions, which are something for the legal system to wrestle with, but all of it still counts as due process. Getting "tuned up" is outside of due process. So, while we could have a discussion about how many chances someone gets or what the sentence should be for crimes, we can't really get there if your solution to those sentences not being harsh enough is that someone loses the protection of the constitution. Or are you suggesting that the constitution should be amended such that due process is no longer guaranteed? Or that it could be forfeited?
I'm of the opinion that when you decide to break the law, you've broken your contract with the constitution and now you're on your own.
First time offenders, fine. They get a second chance. Someone with a rap sheet? Nope. That person's demonstrated that they're not interested in playing by society's rules. I've got no sympathy for what happens to them, whether that's getting tuned up by the cops or shot by a gang banger.
 
It's also funny that anything that's of a sort of scientific consensus that disagrees with you can be discounted because it comes from "lefty-libs," but you accept Christian organizations as a good source for science criticism. Like I could link you to Answers in Genesis and they'd have a similarly authoritative article about how the science that says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old is actually based on poor research, but that doesn't make the claim that it's 6-10k years old any less ridiculous. Never once in the history of humanity has religion disproved science. Only better science does that. But, since you asked for a reference:
There's a few. I know, I know, these are all "lefty-lib" organizations referring to research done by "lefty-lib social behaviorists," so you are completely justified in ignoring them because, you know, you turned out fine so spanking must not cause any harm, actually.

Now, if you want to say you think the science is wrong, that's your prerogative. But you don't get to pretend to be in line with it when it very clearly does not support your position.
Hey, if you want to negotiate with your kids, then that's your parenting style.
I was brought to realize there were unpleasant consequences for bad behavior. It worked well on me and has worked well for me as a parent.
But from an ideological standpoint, I would feel comfortable guessing that most anti-spanking adults are liberals. I would also guess that most of the kids needing safe spaces, coloring their hair purple, marching in pro-hamas demonstrations, etc, are also liberal. Do you see the correlation?
 
"My boy was a good boy, he was going to church and trying to turn his life around"
You mean those types of criminals who can seem to get out of the habit of getting in trouble?

As far as Gaza, it's pretty much a parking lot now. On to Beirut and then Tehran.
I'm with you....especially with Iran. Take out the big boys one by one until you get them all.
 
I'm of the opinion that when you decide to break the law, you've broken your contract with the constitution and now you're on your own.
First time offenders, fine. They get a second chance. Someone with a rap sheet? Nope. That person's demonstrated that they're not interested in playing by society's rules. I've got no sympathy for what happens to them, whether that's getting tuned up by the cops or shot by a gang banger.
Where does this opinion come from? Because there's nothing in the constitution that suggests it's protections are conditional, as you suggest.
 
Hey, if you want to negotiate with your kids, then that's your parenting style.
I was brought to realize there were unpleasant consequences for bad behavior. It worked well on me and has worked well for me as a parent.
But from an ideological standpoint, I would feel comfortable guessing that most anti-spanking adults are liberals. I would also guess that most of the kids needing safe spaces, coloring their hair purple, marching in pro-hamas demonstrations, etc, are also liberal. Do you see the correlation?
You THINK it worked well for you and for your kids, but the research would suggest that all of you would be better off had you not been spanked.

Also, this is the second time you've mentioned people coloring their hair purple as if it's somehow a bad thing. What's that about?
 
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Hey, if you want to negotiate with your kids, then that's your parenting style.
I was brought to realize there were unpleasant consequences for bad behavior. It worked well on me and has worked well for me as a parent.
But from an ideological standpoint, I would feel comfortable guessing that most anti-spanking adults are liberals. I would also guess that most of the kids needing safe spaces, coloring their hair purple, marching in pro-hamas demonstrations, etc, are also liberal. Do you see the correlation?
I never hit my kids.

I do not negotiate with my kids.

My kids are fully aware that there are real consequences for bad behavior.

My kids are some very squared away, hard-working individuals.
 
I never hit my kids.

I do not negotiate with my kids.

My kids are fully aware that there are real consequences for bad behavior.

My kids are some very squared away, hard-working individuals.
Good point, Bone seems to think experiencing physical pain is the only thing that qualifies as a consequence (when there are clearly many other things that can serve that purpose) and that the only alternative to spanking is negotiation (which is also clearly not true).

Insert Riveting saying we're the same person talking ourselves below.
 
I'm of the opinion that when you decide to break the law, you've broken your contract with the constitution and now you're on your own.
All good. And to confirm that someone has broken the law they need to be convicted in a court of law, not summary-justice on Donald Trump’s “really violent day” where a President tells police to forget about the rule law and dole out beatings on the spot.
 
Good point, Bone seems to think experiencing physical pain is the only thing that qualifies as a consequence, when there are clearly many other things that can serve that purpose.

Insert Riveting saying we're the same person talking ourselves below.
Bonefish even said that when he stopped being hit for misbehavior the subsequent consequences were worse.
 
You THINK it worked well for you and for your kids, but the research would suggest that all of you would be better off had you not been spanked.

Also, this is the second time you've mentioned people coloring their hair purple as if it's somehow a bad thing. What's that about?
Hmmmm. I spanked my two sons and lets take a look. Son # 1 has three kids...one who went to college on a Baseball scholarship, the other turned down collegiate basketball scholarships to attend Butler on academic scholarship, and the daughter who will go to college on a VB scholarship. He sold his business at the of 43 and never has to work again, though he does. He and his wife own a seven figure lake house in Tennessee. He spanked his kids when deserved.

Son # 2 has two daughters on athletic scholarships, a son who will go to a major university on academic scholarship. He makes north of $165K per year. He spanked his kids when deserved,

Maybe you shouldn't read that liberal bull so much. Spare the rod and spoil the child isn't very good advice in most cases.
 
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Hmmmm. I spanked my two sons and lets take a look. Son # 1 has three kids...one who went to college on a Baseball scholarship, the other turned down collegiate basketball scholarships to attend Butler on academic scholarship, and the daughter who will go to college on a VB scholarship. He sold his business at the of 43 and never has to work again, though he does. He and his wife own a seven figure lake house in Tennessee. He spanked his kids when deserved.

Son # 2 has two daughters on athletic scholarships, a son who will go to a major university on academic scholarship. He makes north of $165K per year. He spanked his kids when deserved,

Maybe you shouldn't read that liberal bull so much. Spare the rod and spoil the child isn't very good advice in most cases.
And also with you, it's pretty telling that you dismiss scientific research as "liberal" because you don't agree with it. And to your story, one anecdote does not disprove the research.

I do agree with your last sentence, though. "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is, apparently, bad advice and parents should find more effective methods of discipline.
 
Where does this opinion come from? Because there's nothing in the constitution that suggests it's protections are conditional, as you suggest.
Opinions are like ........well you know.

Is it your opinion that a repeat offender gets as many chances as the court is willing to grant them?

How many drunk driving convictions should a person have before they spend a significant amount of time in jail?
 
You THINK it worked well for you and for your kids, but the research would suggest that all of you would be better off had you not been spanked.

Also, this is the second time you've mentioned people coloring their hair purple as if it's somehow a bad thing. What's that about?
Because anytime you see a bunch of lefty libs protesting something, there's a bunch of them that have purple hair, etc.
As a hiring manager, if I see an applicant with purple hair or a bunch of piercings, etc, then they're automatically disqualified, period.
It shows a lack of professionalism and poor judgement. (unless you're applying to work at Starbucks).
 
Bonefish even said that when he stopped being hit for misbehavior the subsequent consequences were worse.
When the spankings stopped having the intended impact, which happens when a child reaches a physical size, then a parent has to switch tactics and implement new consequences. Often times, a kid would rather have the temporary sting on the butt as opposed to being grounded for a week.
 
Hmmmm. I spanked my two sons and lets take a look. Son # 1 has three kids...one who went to college on a Baseball scholarship, the other turned down collegiate basketball scholarships to attend Butler on academic scholarship, and the daughter who will go to college on a VB scholarship. He sold his business at the of 43 and never has to work again, though he does. He and his wife own a seven figure lake house in Tennessee. He spanked his kids when deserved.

Son # 2 has two daughters on athletic scholarships, a son who will go to a major university on academic scholarship. He makes north of $165K per year. He spanked his kids when deserved,

Maybe you shouldn't read that liberal bull so much. Spare the rod and spoil the child isn't very good advice in most cases.
Libs can't differentiate between spanking and beating. To them, any act of laying a hand on a child is an act of violence. When in reality, it's an act of getting their attention, quickly and on the spot and letting them know certain behavior will not be tolerated and will have consequences.
 
Is a spank on the the butt considered hitting?
It's not my style, but it's fine. There are plenty of parental choices that can and do still equate to producing a fine adult.

This convo started when someone (not sure it was you) stated that not physically striking a child led to all kinds of bad behavior. That is most certainly not true. Conversely, parents who spank a kid on the butt can also produce fine people.

And I'm quite sure that political affiliation has little to do with it.
 
Opinions are like ........well you know.

Is it your opinion that a repeat offender gets as many chances as the court is willing to grant them?

How many drunk driving convictions should a person have before they spend a significant amount of time in jail?
That's why sentencing guidelines and multiple offense sentencing enhancements can and do exist.

I'm not sure what the 'magic number' for additional punishment should be, but it is clear that repeat offenders should and do get enhanced sentences throughout the American legal system.
 
It's not my style, but it's fine. There are plenty of parental choices that can and do still equate to producing a fine adult.

This convo started when someone (not sure it was you) stated that not physically striking a child led to all kinds of bad behavior. That is most certainly not true. Conversely, parents who spank a kid on the butt can also produce fine people.

And I'm quite sure that political affiliation has little to do with it.
I agree. Some spank, some don't and each has their reasons. But, people also have to understand the difference between a spanking and a beating.
 
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I agree. Some spank, some don't and each has their reasons. But, people also have to understand the difference between a spanking and a beating.
Is one hit with a wooden spoon the same as a spanking? What about 3 or 4? Does it matter where you hit them with the spoon? Is hitting them on the head or the back the same as on the butt? You said after the spoon comes the belt. Is that on the butt? Is the child wearing pants or naked? If you hit them on the back with the belt but it leaves no marks is that just like a spanking? How many hits with the belt does it take to go from getting their attention to a beating? I assume you have a threshold. 10? Have you ever lost track of the number of hits because you were angry at what the child did or didn't do? Can you see how a spanking could easily turn into a beating for parents less disciplined than you are?

Btw, using a belt is a beating in my book.
 
Is one hit with a wooden spoon the same as a spanking? What about 3 or 4? Does it matter where you hit them with the spoon? Is hitting them on the head or the back the same as on the butt? You said after the spoon comes the belt. Is that on the butt? Is the child wearing pants or naked? If you hit them on the back with the belt but it leaves no marks is that just like a spanking? How many hits with the belt does it take to go from getting their attention to a beating? I assume you have a threshold. 10? Have you ever lost track of the number of hits because you were angry at what the child did or didn't do? Can you see how a spanking could easily turn into a beating for parents less disciplined than you are?

Btw, using a belt is a beating in my book.
All spanking should always be on the butt (unless your child uses some really foul language, in which case, a soap bar in the mouth is appropriate). Yeh, it may sting for a second but you're not doing any physical damage.
A spanking is less about the inflicting of pain and more about getting the child's attention and sending a message. It's quick, swift and immediate and not physically harmful. Sort of like an invisible fence shock collar for a dog.
Usually one swat is sufficient, but you have to put the psychological fear in them that more are possible unless behavior changes.
 
All spanking should always be on the butt (unless your child uses some really foul language, in which case, a soap bar in the mouth is appropriate). Yeh, it may sting for a second but you're not doing any physical damage.
A spanking is less about the inflicting of pain and more about getting the child's attention and sending a message. It's quick, swift and immediate and not physically harmful. Sort of like an invisible fence shock collar for a dog.
Usually one swat is sufficient, but you have to put the psychological fear in them that more are possible unless behavior changes.
Or, you could just take all electronics away and send them to their room with only homework to entertain them. I found that to be extremely effective.

No worries about whether you’re inflicting pain with that approach.
 
Or, you could just take all electronics away and send them to their room with only homework to entertain them. I found that to be extremely effective.

No worries about whether you’re inflicting pain with that approach.
Like I said: Do whatever style of discipline works for you. But don't condemn someone else's that works for them.
 
Opinions are like ........well you know.

Is it your opinion that a repeat offender gets as many chances as the court is willing to grant them?
It's not so much my opinion as it is the fact of the matter.
How many drunk driving convictions should a person have before they spend a significant amount of time in jail?
That's for judges to decide. At no point should one's history cause them to forfeit the due process protections of the constitution.
 
Because anytime you see a bunch of lefty libs protesting something, there's a bunch of them that have purple hair, etc.
That doesn't answer my question as to why the purple hair, in and of itself, is bad.
As a hiring manager, if I see an applicant with purple hair or a bunch of piercings, etc, then they're automatically disqualified, period.
Ah, so you just discriminate based on appearance. Wonder how many great employees you've missed out on due this policy.
It shows a lack of professionalism and poor judgement. (unless you're applying to work at Starbucks).
No it doesn't, you just don't like it. Hair dye and piercings have nothing to do with one's job performance, except in certain, very narrow, circumstances.
 
That doesn't answer my question as to why the purple hair, in and of itself, is bad.
Purple hair, pink hair, blue hair, you know what I mean. Making yourself look like an alien shows a lack of judgement and professionalism. Again, unless you're applying for a job at Starbucks or someplace else where you're not necessarily judged by your appearance.
Ah, so you just discriminate based on appearance. Wonder how many great employees you've missed out on due this policy.
100% I judge based on appearance. How my employee looks, acts, dresses, etc is a reflection on the company and it's management. Looking like a clown is a bad impression.
No it doesn't, you just don't like it. Hair dye and piercings have nothing to do with one's job performance, except in certain, very narrow, circumstances.
Yes, they do. While you and other libs may look at hair dye and piercings as a person expressing their individuality, in the white collar professional work, it show's a person's poor decision-making, lack of conformity and a potential headache to manage.
 
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Purple hair, pink hair, blue hair, you know what I mean. Making yourself look like an alien shows a lack of judgement and professionalism. Again, unless you're applying for a job at Starbucks or someplace else where you're not necessarily judged by your appearance.

100% I judge based on appearance. How my employee looks, acts, dresses, etc is a reflection on the company and it's management. Looking like a clown is a bad impression.

Yes, they do. While you and other libs may look at hair dye and piercings as a person expressing their individuality, in the white collar professional work, it show's a person's poor decision-making, lack of conformity and a potential headache to manage.
Exactly...welcome to the real world!

It's an absolute right that I fully support for someone to wear anything they want or dye their hair any color they want. But people who interview you for a job are going to be taking everything in, and appearance is part of it.

So if you want to work at an NYC emo rock venue? Wearing a MAGA hat and a clip-on tie is going to be a bad look. And an accounting firm that is interviewing you is going to notice and not appreciate nose rings, green hair, and neck tattoos.
 
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Purple hair, pink hair, blue hair, you know what I mean. Making yourself look like an alien shows a lack of judgement and professionalism. Again, unless you're applying for a job at Starbucks or someplace else where you're not necessarily judged by your appearance.

100% I judge based on appearance. How my employee looks, acts, dresses, etc is a reflection on the company and it's management. Looking like a clown is a bad impression.

Yes, they do. While you and other libs may look at hair dye and piercings as a person expressing their individuality, in the white collar professional work, it show's a person's poor decision-making, lack of conformity and a potential headache to manage.
It doesn't, you just think it does because you're not willing to consider that people who are different from you can still be good employees or, even, good people. Thankfully, this attitude seems to be gradually fading.
 
It doesn't, you just think it does because you're not willing to consider that people who are different from you can still be good employees or, even, good people. Thankfully, this attitude seems to be gradually fading.
What industry do you work? Do your kids have purple hair and a nose ring?
Trust me, not white collar professional job is going to be held by someone who looks like a clown.
Now, that being said, perhaps they can get a job in the democrat administration.
 
I don't give a rat's behind if they are left, right, up, down, or upside down. If a DA's office is lazy or incompetent, that is terrible.
It's well known that the DA's in major left wing areas are not prosecuting which is why a lot of this petty crime continues to go on.
 
True-well stated; it doesn't indicate "dictator." Like you said, it does indicate "dumb" and also indicates misguided priorities.
Possibly. The concept he's talking about would work, but it's not something you do in a civilized society. Sometimes he talks in ways that you just cannot do here. He knows this, but I don't know why he continues to do it.
 
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Possibly. The concept he's talking about would work, but it's not something you do in a civilized society. Sometimes he talks in ways that you just cannot do here. He knows this, but I don't know why he continues to do it.
Chump continues to do it because of what I’ve been saying all along. He is an evil jackass. Similar when first became president. He spoke at an event where the audience were mostly law enforcement. He literally encouraged the officers to perform police brutality. He told them that when they are putting suspect into the car, don’t be so nice as they always put the suspect’s head down. The sad thing but not surprising is that some of the policers in the crowd were clapping.

 
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Chump continues to do it because of what I’ve been saying all along. He is an evil jackass. Similar when first became president. He spoke at an event where the audience were mostly law enforcement. He literally encouraged the officers to perform police brutality. He told them that when they are putting suspect into the car, don’t be so nice as they always put the suspect’s head down. The sad thing but not surprising is that some of the policers in the crowd were clapping.

Yes he's so evil that his evil deeds as president include.... Remind me again?

Again, stupid remark by him, but what has he done that's evil. Words mean less than actions.
 
Yes he's so evil that his evil deeds as president include.... Remind me again?

I'd be glad to. Here is a direct consequence of his repeated, constantly misguided, evil words:

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I'd be glad to. Here is a direct consequence of his repeated, constantly misguided, evil words:

I would wager the family members of the hundreds of victims of rape, murder and crime by illegals let in this country as a direct consequence of Biden/Harris "repeated, constantly misguided, evil words" during their campaign ......might want to take issue with you on whose words were more dangerous. Trump's or Biden/Harris??

🤔🤔Let's see ....
On one hand ....Murder, rape & crime from illegals

On the other hand....a 4 hour violent riot.
 
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I would wager the family members of the hundreds of victims of rape, murder and crime by illegals let in this country as a direct consequence of Biden/Harris "repeated, constantly misguided, evil words" during their campaign ......might want to take issue with you on whose words were more dangerous. Trump's or Biden/Harris??

🤔🤔Let's see ....
On one hand ....Murder, rape & crime from illegals

On the other hand....a 4 hour violent riot.
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Ummm... murder, rape, and crime by illegals (and by American citizens) also happened during the Trump administration, ya know.

I know you're not stupid, and therefore I know that you are aware that immigrants account for a (relatively small, but real) percentage of violent crime and have throughout all administrations.

Are you telling me that you did not see articles about violent crime by immigrants on Fox News during the Trump Administration but read about it on Fox News all the time during the Biden Administration? Lol.
 
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Ummm... murder, rape, and crime by illegals (and by American citizens) also happened during the Trump administration, ya know.

Yes but it was NOT Trump's words that invited illegals in during his tenure.....the subject of your post -- harmful words.

Biden/Harris words on the other hand specifically DID invite illegals. Not only did the amount of illegals pick up drastically with his invite......but some came WEARING BIDEN T-SHIRTS. No serious person could deny campaign rehtoric of Biden increased the flow.......and the results per American Citizens who were raped and murdered at an increased rate would definitely argue with your claim about DANGEROUS WORDS .....they would say no doubt Biden's words were more harmful.

I truly hope you never have to feel their pain of having a child raped or murdered by an illegal Biden let in with his intentional harmful rehtoric and actions. But no doubt others have had to.
 
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I truly hope you never have to feel their pain of having a child raped or murdered by an illegal Biden let in with his intentional harmful rehtoric and actions. But no doubt others have had to.
And I truly hope
  • You never have to feel their pain of having a child raped or murdered by an illegal Biden "let in."
  • You never have to feel their pain of having a child raped or murdered by an illegal Trump "let in."
  • You never have to feel their pain of having a child raped or murdered by an American citizen.
See how that works?

Two charts for you - of note - immigration and deportations were way down during the Covid- year, 2020.

Deportations were by far the highest under Obama. Definitely more under Trump years than Biden, though 2024 (not in this chart) has been higher under Biden than Trump:

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