I love how the response from Trumpkins is "Seeya, Biden!", meanwhile the ACTUAL President is going to be impeached.
On this impeachment thing
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impeached for what ? I don't think he gets impeached. Won't matter because it will never get passed Senate. The dems know they have no shot in 2020
I do think the DNC wanted Biden gone (similar to Bernie in '16)
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You do know what "impeachment" actually is, don't you?
Perhaps not. While I believe it is clearly warranted, I seriously doubt that I would pursue it.
Hunter may be an idiot but he probably has as much or more knowledge than Jared has ever had about the mid-east, the opioid crisis, china or a myriad of other things he is supposed to be an expert according to Trump. The only thing that I can see he is good at is looking well groomed.
Currently 213 of the necessary 218 House Members have indicated support for impeachment.
What are they going to impeach him for ?
Bring it to vote and put your money where your mouth is.
Idealogically, not a fan of Pelosi. Politically, she is smart.
Simply put, she understands the political power in the US does not reside with seats like hers and probably 50 others that are going to be blue no matter what. She understands she needs to win the suburbs and the seats that can or have gone either way. Ticking off voters in those states/districts is not a way to win those seats. For some of voters in those places, the Dems have crossed the line with all of their constant accusations that never amount to much. For many more they are dancing all over that line.
This memo that was released today, pretty weak so far. The whistleblower never heard the phone call, whistleblower supports another Dem candidit, and it was a handful of Dem senators that encouraged investigations and possibly threatened money to be withheld from Ukraine back in spring.
Read it? How about hear it right from him? Not a good look.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/2...he-prosecutor-investigating-his-sons-company/
There is an extremely interesting article from the NYT today dealing with Speaker Pelosi and her intelligence committee background. A good read.
You nothing about the whistleblower. Trump's knows he/she is partisan, but you know nothing. You don't know where he/she got their information.
The transcript shows Trump clearly asked for an investigation, his personal lawyer worked with Trump's knowledge, and our AG was involved. Rudy told us last night he didn't do anything until the State Dept told him to.
Yeah, nothing to see here. Haven't even heard a word from the whistleblower yet.
Based on? No quid pro quo ?
Thoughts on this ?
https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/5-4-18 Menendez joint letter to General Prosecutor of Ukraine on Mueller investigation.pdf
Feel like this is a play to get rid of Biden. There is a reason Obama didn’t want Biden to run or endorse him.
Doubt they go after impeachment. There is nothing there.
Technically, what was released today was not a transcript, which is why I'm baffled the white house would release something which explicitly asks for a "favor". It's right there in the - I'll call it a "document" - how can anyone read it and believe this isn't a leverage for aid in return for an investigation into the presumptive Democratic candidate? Moreover, how could anyone in good conscience be dismissive of such an attempt by the POTUS?
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You nothing about the whistleblower. Trump's knows he/she is partisan, but you know nothing. You don't know where he/she got their information.
Ok. What ever makes you feel better. We have had this discussion before, what the actual basis for your comments is.
The transcript shows Trump clearly asked for an investigation, his personal lawyer worked with Trump's knowledge, and our AG was involved. Rudy told us last night he didn't do anything until the State Dept told him to.
So, is asking for an investigation illegal? Your main gripe 4 days ago was that it used Trump's personal attorney. Now it is clear the AG was involved, which is what you stated you wanted/how it should be done. Now you are complaining about that.
I suspect that certainly exacerbates everything but I would think there is some reasonable likelihood of at least an Article of Impeachment premised upon an "Abuse of Presidential Power" based -
> upon an implied/express pressuring of a foreign government to engage in the pursuit of affecting the American 2020 Presidential election,
> upon attempting to coerce that conduct through the withholding of previously Congressionally authorized defense assistance to the foreign country,
> upon utilizing a private citizen to engage in related negotiations with that foreign government to accomplish such,
> upon utilizing his office to prevent the DNI and IG from complying with the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act and reporting to Congress.
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Pelosi is a lot of things I don't like: stupid is not one of them. There's enough in the whistleblower report that she is willing to put her name on an impeachment inquiry. There's going to be enough to impeach.
Yeah, I'm kinda of the same mind in that Pelosi has to know something that we don't. She has been fighting against impeachment for months now, and for her to suddenly change course, you have to imagine that she has seen something to change her mind. She knows just as well as the Republicans that this has the potential to backfire into her face. If the whistleblower report is indeed a nothing-burger, it is going to legitimize a lot of Trump's witch hunt rhetoric.
I realize that this is a FWIW but found it interesting nonetheless -
In an interview with Andrea Mitchell, Repub. strategist and Romney and MCain advisor Mike Murphy indicates that if there was a secret vote concerning impeachment that 30 Republican Senators would vote to remove the President.
In an interview with Andrea Mitchell, Repub. strategist and Romney and MCain advisor Mike Murphy indicates that if there was a secret vote concerning impeachment that 30 Republican Senators would vote to remove the President.
The article that I linked previously in this post has some insight
Then link me what information you have about the whistleblower or what he knows or how he got it. That would make me feel better......and make your comments look less like deflection.
Asking for an investigation by a foreign country into your political opponent a year before an election. You aren't this freakin stupid. Stop acting like it. If you know what I'm talking about but I don't word it perfectly, it doesn't give you leave to ignore the facts. Do I need to spoon feed this to you?
Rudy was just one of my main gripes, still is. Now we find out he is communicating with the AG on Ukraine. Why the hell is Trump's private lawyer working with the AG to investigate Trump's political opponent in a foreign country? Barr also was the one who recommended the DNI withhold the whistleblower report. Apparently he was working with Rudy on an informal investigation in Ukraine........but then conveniently used his position as AG to stop the report. If the US AG wants to investigate, should he do it with Trump's private lawyer?
Why is the state Dept giving instructions to Trump's private lawyer?
Article requires account login. Even trying in Incognito mode still only allows reading the first paragraph.
Apparently the DNI had threatened to resign if he was prohibited from speaking freely to Congress.
EDIT: Although I now see him quoted as saying he has never considered resigning..
Lol...
Nope. Same result. You can see the whole article for about 2 seconds and then it wipes out everything except the first paragraph.
That's not the law but an Office of Legal Counsel Memorandum that doesn't describe the status of the person as or as not a whistleblower but whether or not under the circumstances the DNI was obligated to follow the law. That is certainly subject to significant argument.
How utterly cavalier your earlier response seems now, given that this is the support you provide. Perhaps your phraseology shouldn't be quite so absolutist on occasion, but that certainly remains up to you.
