Congrats Myles! Let's see...
PG...Perry (Boiler Up, Perry)
SG...Colvin
WF...Catchings
PF...Burgess
C...Flory (Boiler Up, Flory)
PG...Perry (Boiler Up, Perry)
SG...Colvin
WF...Catchings
PF...Burgess
C...Flory (Boiler Up, Flory)
Myles Colvin Makes USA U19 National Team!
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I like your optimism but we aren’t getting Flory. Duke offered recently so either Cincy is backing up a Brinks truck or he is headed to Blue Blood territory.
Choice Beef...
We are not a blue blood program? We need to step up and bring multiple brinks trucks at Flory in order to complete a great team...every position on the floor above would be addressed in order to achieve our goal: a National Championship. We always seem to be missing one or two pieces needed to run the table...let's do this in order to reel in Flory. Again, Boiler Up, Flory!
The #2 player in the country is in our backyard at Kokomo...and we can not sign him. This is an example of why we fail in making a deep run, win a National Championship and be a blue blood program. He might take less $$$ being closer to "home"...he is worth the money!
We are not a blue blood program? We need to step up and bring multiple brinks trucks at Flory in order to complete a great team...every position on the floor above would be addressed in order to achieve our goal: a National Championship. We always seem to be missing one or two pieces needed to run the table...let's do this in order to reel in Flory. Again, Boiler Up, Flory!
The #2 player in the country is in our backyard at Kokomo...and we can not sign him. This is an example of why we fail in making a deep run, win a National Championship and be a blue blood program. He might take less $$$ being closer to "home"...he is worth the money!
One year of Flory won't really change Purdue's team, IMO. He likely wouldn't be as impactful as senior Caleb Furst or Jr TKR.
He would be a great get, but he isn't the player we should back up a brings truck for
He would be a great get, but he isn't the player we should back up a brings truck for
Congrats Myles!
I think he is going to give us some athleticism that last year's team lacked.
I think he is going to give us some athleticism that last year's team lacked.
Impressive accomplishment! Maybe he is more ready than I realized!
"Historical, conventional" wisdom would suggest you are on it. I just don't know that Flory is the "historical, conventional" top player in the country of the past. It will be interesting to see where he goes and the reason offered publicly...
I come in peace. I saw some of the scrimmages. Do you think he starts over fletcher? I saw a kid that could be a one and done shooting guard. That buzzer beater and his smart play looks underrated to me.
At 6’5”? It’s a serious question too. Not trolling. He could play both but he sure looks like he could play at the 2. Really nice looking player. I mean that.
Not at all too small to play the 3. This isn’t 1990. It’s 2023.
There aren't many "3"s in college who can take advantage of that since most teams start 3 guards.
No not really. I worded it wrong. Is he better suited to be a shooting guard? He sure looked like it to me.
It can be hard to distinguish between a 2 and a 3 in today’s game. His game compliments Loyer’s.
If he and Loyer and penetrating to create shots or open up shooters, they could be a tough 1-2 punch on the wing.
Seems like 6'4" to 6'6" has always been the size with the skill set for a 3...except maybe the 1976 Michigan team where the 2 and 3 were 6'2"
Agree that 6’4” to 6’6” is not undersized at the three in today’s college game. There are elite players in college and many in the NBA who are significantly taller / longer and Purdue may end up with one if Catchings plays the three, but the standard in NCAA MB is that the three is a third guard.
Fwiw, Colvin is listed as a guard on the USA roster.
I know folks on here are trying to damper expectations for Colvin. However, if we're actually going to contend for a chip, then Colvin needs to be that X factor this year and play a significant role.
There doesn't appear to be anyone on our roster who can do what he's capable of with the ball.
I know folks on here are trying to damper expectations for Colvin. However, if we're actually going to contend for a chip, then Colvin needs to be that X factor this year and play a significant role.
There doesn't appear to be anyone on our roster who can do what he's capable of with the ball.
I split hairs on the 2 & 3 where the 3 drives a bit more and is a better rebounder quite often and the 2 is more perimeter. That's me...others may see things different.
Agree. To me it tends to be a little different in the NBA where guys like LaBron and KD are generally considered to be threes but in college it's often just another guard.
I believe he may be most successful at the position he plays the best! Rather than saying he is tall enough to play the 3, is it possible he plays the 2 and players like Loyer, Catchings and Renn play the 3? I realize Renn has played the 5, but I just don’t believe that’s his natural position. I believe players best at their natural positions rather than trying to convert them to different positions and then saying they have the athleticism to change!
@Wolegib makes no sense to say in the same post that you don't want to play players out of position and then talk about playing Trey at the three. In no world is he a three. You may, however, see your prediction of him having a breakout season come true a year later than you thought. I think Trey is going to have a really big year at the four. Likely not all conference numbers because there's so much competition for minutes at the four and five but I think his per 40 stats are going to be exceptional and he'll be ready to be featured the following year.
i believe Purdue has been playing Trey out of his natural position since he arrived. he's definitely not a 5, and never was. is he a 4? is he a 3? I'm not sure. my definition of a 4 is the old school definition of a power forward. somebody who bangs inside the paint, gets rebounds and slams it home. my definition of a 3 is the old small forward who can take a perimeter shot, and can score from different positions on the floor. most people believe the 3 position today is basically a third guard.
Trey has a lot of talent. But I don't feel that talent is being fully utilized at his natural position. Was MJ a 2 or a 3? Was grant Hill a 2 or a 3? Was big Dog a 3 or a 4? was Dr J a 2 or a 3? Was Reggie Miller a 2 or a 3? was larry bird a 3 or a 4? was Rick barry a 2 or a 3? Was Rick Mount a 2or a 3? a case could be made they were each a better player at the position they were not known for playing.
MJ played the 3 at UNC, but excelled at the 2 with Pippen as the 3 for the Bulls. Big Dog played the 4 at purdue but excelled at the 3 for the Bucks. Bird is thought of as a 4, but McHale played that position for Boston. Was Mount a 2 or a 3? he played the 3 at purdue, but kind of failed in the pros. Dr J was a 3,, but was more effective as a 2.
and so I ask, what is trey's natural position? I'm not really sure.
that brings me back to Miles. what's his natural position? if he plays the 2 for the national team, will Painter keep him at the 2? and move loyer to the 3? or will Painter move Miles to the 3. I don't know. I just knnow players succeedwhen playing their natural position rather than sacrificing their talent playigng out of position.
that's like Gillis. I really don't consider him as a 4. he's not really that great as a 3. I considered Hummel as a 3. I'm unsure what position he played at purdue. and Vnson Edwards. what was his natural position? Were Hunter and IT a 2 or a 1? I'm beginning to believe part of purdue's problems in the past were not the result of a lack of talent, but rather the player was playing a position that was not their natural position.
Sure Miles could play the 3, but what is his naturaal position? if that's a 2, does he play the 2? or is he forced to switch? Would Purdue be better with Miles at the 2 and loyer at the 3? could trey play the 3?
this begs a second question. what's more important? offense or defense? we could have some awesome mismatches on offense, but it would be at the expense of our defense. would you rather have those mismatches on offense? or defense your bread and butter?
Morton is supposedly great on defense. but wouldn't you rather have a guy playing who can make a 3 point shot? or at least create his own offense? Miles could be awsome,if given the opportunity .
I used to see it that way. After all, I remember that the 2 used to be referred to as “shooting guard”.
But now I have a hard time knowing who is the 2 and who is the 3. A couple years ago, it seemed that most people referenced Jaden as the 2 and Sasha as the 3, where I saw it as opposite. Going back a few years, I thought Ryne Smith was the 2 and E’Twaun was the 3, but then I heard commentators or writers say the opposite. Dakota and Cline were considered threes when they played with Carsen, but they were pure shooters. It is just hard for me to make the distinction anymore in a lot of cases.
There's a lot going on in that response
Agree that Trey is not a true 5 but played there because 1) in his first year playing he couldn't earn time away from Furst and Gillis at the 4 and 2) he couldn't guard more mobile 4's.The position you play is not dictated by what you can do on offense but by who you play along side and who you can guard on defense. Hummel was absolutely not a 3 despite his offensive versatility because he guarded the opposing 4 and didn't play along side anyone else who could be considered a 4. Robbie also played as an stretch 5 as a senior. Google a list of the best 3's, at this point Trey has nowhere near that agility and can't play along a true 4 and 5. Maybe some day, he isn't close now.
Doesn't matter at all whether you want to call Colvin a 2 or a 3. There is little difference between the 2 and the 3 in Painter's offense and he's going to run sets for guys based on their abilities and strengths. I suspect there will be a lot of mixing and matching in the back court with the only constant being the Smith and Jones combine to take nearly all the minutes at the point.
Let me clarify. He could better show his skills as a combo like JHS did as a 2 guard. I think he looked that good. Hard for me to say that. Just my opinion.
If his game resembles JHS’s in his freshman year, that bodes awfully well for Purdue. I hope that you are on to something.
You're right he did. I think it was @northside100 who had said earlier that if he makes this team it's a big deal. You're both right, he beat out some very good players to make this final roster. I was looking forward to seeing him in Black and Gold, this just makes it even more so.
As far as position, I don't put a number on line-ups anymore. There are times teams play 4 guards. It really has become positionless basketball and that bodes well for someone like Colvin.
IU has last visit from Flory if he does not pull the trigger for Duke
The last thing I would do would consider commentators as knowing what they are seeing many times. I said I was splitting hairs between the 2 and 3 and then listed the generalities I see in those positions. That is my parsing of the skill sets and others may have others? Names get thrown in all the time...point guard, combo guard, lead guard, off guard, shooting guard and so on and yet people want basketball guards to do certain things and the ability and inability to do certain things as an individual gets measured against the other skill sets of the other players and so...a description gets thrown out on the particular player as the best guestimate of that players role on that team. Before Braden stepped foot in Mackey I listed his skills and talked about him leading a team. He was labeled as a point guard, which today is an accurate description of him. When the season finished there were some pecking orders with him and point guards and I made a comment about him just being a good basketball player. You see if there was a Braden clone on the court, I believe Braden would be fine at a 2 as well...and depending on the structure of the team could be very good. That said, I have a lean to him running the team first and scoring second, but if another could lead the team as well...I think he would be fine at a 2.
Here is another clue on the 3 for many teams...not 100% accurate. Most teams have the 3 taking the ball out against a press...most...but some of those teams blend the spots so much it could be a 2 or a 3 or a 4, but the general idea is you need a person to make good decisions and good passer and you have your better overall ball handlers (and many times quicker) like the 1 & 2 to receive the pass from the triggerman which is many times a 3
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