I have seen many other teams use their big man to throw the inbounds pass. Some big men are very good at throwing that first pass. I’ve seen some big men throw the home run pass that went over the press into the other backcourt for an easy layup! And on the other hand I’ve seen guards being used to throw in bounds passes and teams struggling because the players don’t get open or know what to do with the ball once they receive it and the team’s best ball handler was the guy throwing the inbounds pass.
Myles Colvin Makes USA U19 National Team!
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I think this gets confusing for many. The "number assigned" is an offensive assignment and so if you review any plays, sets, offenses, those numbers are the offensive players and their movement. The skill sets in one offense for a 3 may be different for another offense and of course a 3 can defend whoever the coach assigns him to defend. Robbie played point at Valpo I understand, and unlike most players that move down a number as they move up from high school to college and the pros...Robbie went the other way. We've seen Villanova post guards and seen bigs play out all the time.
Unless you are committed to 5 out then you are going to have perimeter and inside players "mostly". However, the flex offense and the inverted part or Bo Ryan's swing offense has all 5 players playing all five spots. If you can go back to Tom Davis at Iowa with George Ravling then you saw the flex offense and would see these bigs out on the perimeter passing at times. You might recall Bo having some big move out on the perimeter and guards go post as well. So "numbers" may have a general picture but each offense even inside the same coach from time to time may have a tweaked skill set per number and so yeah...nothing in stone. Other than special situations, I'm not a 5 out fan and therefore like it simplified into inside and perimeter players "generally"...like a 1,2,34,4 or a 1,2,2,4,4
when watching the "Flex" think---pass, cut..pickdown and flair out. Today you mostly only see the flex cut on out of bounds sets at times with only a few using it
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My memory is of either Joe Barry or Kareem or some other guy just throwing the outlet pass while the guards would run and catch it and go for the easy layup. My memory is because the guy throwing the pass had a reputation of being lazy and slow and by throwing the long bomb, he didn’t have to go down court and he just stayed back on defense. That’s what makes me believe it was Joe Barry. He had a habit of walking down the court while others were passing the ball around waiting for him to arrive! While it may sound funny it was a very effective way of beating the press by just throwing the ball over the press. And the guy throwing the ball was actually very accurate!
Kareem did a lot of that for the Showtime Lakers. With Magic running the break flanked by Worthy and Scott, he often didn’t need to make the trip up the floor.
well some people thought JOBarry was lazy because of his demeanor and I'm not about to say that certain positions do this and only this. However, it is probably most common to see a 3 take the ball out. It is all about the coaches' assessment of the players on the court. If you go back to Lee Rose before he came to Purdue you might recall his 5 cornbread handling the ball when pressure was applied. Not sure if you skip along and can find it here or not
Tune in early tomorrow. I feel like I remember waking up early to watch Carsen and Jaden play. Huge opportunity to show off.
I caught one. I put the game on early in the 3rd and saw they were up bigly. Then quit watching. Does anyone have # 9’s post game stats?
USA vs Madagascar box score. https://www.fiba.basketball/world/u19/2023/game/2406/USA-Madagascar#tab=boxscore
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Lot of talent on this team - he will have to keep making plays to get more minutes.
Lot of talent on this team - he will have to keep making plays to get more minutes.
Very good, but you run along back to your board and discuss that he's a head case. You IU fans make up more SH*T.
Also, when you fools understand basketball come back. You dipsh*ts talk about lack of athletes on this roster and FDU showed that. Did St Mary's (82-53) really have more athletes? Knowledge is key....keep it up.
The USA-Madagascar full game replay is available on YouTube. Colvin (#9) debuts at the start of Q2, right about the 34:00 min mark...
Armstrong played well in the few minutes I watched. First thought for the older guys was is this guy related to BJ ARmstong?
Looks like they play Slovenia at 2p today (Sunday). Winner will be overwhelming favorite to finish atop Pool B. Looks like all four teams from each pool advance to elimination round and structure of that round is preset (A1 vs B4, etc.) so pool play for the US will be mostly about working out any kinks and learning to play together as a team.
Colvin’s jump shot passes the eye test. At least when I watched, he looked like more of a shooter than a slasher.
Still have to make those open shots. Which we couldn't do last year.
While not a complete answer, BJ does not have any kids.
I am disappointed that I watched a good portion of this game. USA should have lost but pulled it out in the end. I never saw MC play. I'm sure he did but not while I had it on. Looked like they hardly subbed the whole second half.
Colvin only played approx 5 mins entire game. Just 2 mins in the 3rd. Always subbed in with 3 mins or less in qtrs 1,2,3. Did not play in the 4th. Only recall missing a 3/4 court shot to end 1st qtr. He basically stood in a corner on offense. Did not move much at all.
Not much coaching appears to be going on for Team USA thus far in either game. Lots of individual play and not much team play. First game it worked out well for USA because the opponent was not nearly as talented and not a cohesive team either. Today Slovenia was a more talented team than Madagascar and played as a team and got the better of the less organized team USA for most of the game by most accounts. Colvin seems have been given or chosen the role of outside threat and spent most of his time on the court camped outside at the 3 point line. Not really attempting to be aggressive or take on an individual role. Last team with Ivey on it played more cohesively as a team. I can’t help but feel after the first 2 games that Colvin would have benefited more from Purdue team practices than where he’s at even though it’s great he was chosen to play on Team USA?
I haven’t spent a lot of time looking at the roster, how many of the guys for the US are projected to be lottery picks? Obviously, the last USA team had two of the top six picks in Holmgren and Ivey and from the games I saw both did a pretty good job of playing unselfishly and sharing the ball.
I think he’s just playing the role that he is being asked to play. I think that at Purdue he will start as an outside shooting role player as well, with his responsibilities gradually increasing. I was glad to see, in the first game, that his shot looked pure. I think that in modern basketball it is very hard to play a wing who can’t hit a 3. It’s a great place to start and he has the ability to expand his game from there.
We were excited he made the team. He was not selected to be a starter or the star player. He will play the role he’s been assigned. If that means he’s the last guy off the bench, then so be it. In many instances the US team wins basically on talent whereas our competitors have played together for many years. We have talent. They have chemistry! Many times chemistry beats talent!
I look at this as a tremendous opportunity but also similar to an AAU all star traveling team. While he may learn a lot from practicing under Painter’s direct supervision and coaching, this presents a tremendous opportunity to learn team chemistry on the fly as players learn to work together rather than having a coach do it for them. The players learn from each other.
One thing that I see on successful college teams is they have a floor general on the court calling the plays and directing players rather than being dependent on the coach to do it for them.
They say the Boy Scouts is boy run. The best teams are the ones that are player directed rather than coach directed. This is a test. If they succeed, the rewards will be ten fold and shared with their subsequent college and pro teams
I look at this as a tremendous opportunity but also similar to an AAU all star traveling team. While he may learn a lot from practicing under Painter’s direct supervision and coaching, this presents a tremendous opportunity to learn team chemistry on the fly as players learn to work together rather than having a coach do it for them. The players learn from each other.
One thing that I see on successful college teams is they have a floor general on the court calling the plays and directing players rather than being dependent on the coach to do it for them.
They say the Boy Scouts is boy run. The best teams are the ones that are player directed rather than coach directed. This is a test. If they succeed, the rewards will be ten fold and shared with their subsequent college and pro teams
On the roster and listed at shooting guard or combo guard on their recruiting profile are three players in the top five nationally in the class of 2024 (1, 3 and 5) and the #7 player in the class of 2023. Interestingly there are no centers listed and Myles is the only player listed on his recruiting profile as a SF.
- Dylan Harper - 2024 #1 recruit nationally
- Tre Johnson - 2024 #3 recruit nationally
- Ian Jackson - 2024 #5 recruit nationally
- Cody Williams - 2023 #7 recruit nationally
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When I saw that, I immediately heard Painter's voice in my head yelling "Move!".
Hope you had a good Father’s Day. Colvin is good. The rest of the roster isn’t near as athletic. I am critical of the rest but not him. He’s not a head case either. Not sure why you think I said that. I didn’t.
Wow! Just looking at the other prospects at his position on this team ! It’s a wonder he even made this team. It’s a testament to his talent and abilities that he even made this team. Think about, many other top 50 prospects tried to make this team and failed! whatever the team does, he can be proud just to be selected!
Colvin played pretty good in 2nd qtr. Subbed into the game around 8 min and played about 5 mins. 6 pts, assist or two, rbd, steal. Coach took him out around 3 min to play in qtr, don’t know why. Colvin was playing well.
Think he had 8 pts total, 3-4 assists, couple steals. One 3 ptr, 2-5 shooting overall? Played 10-12 mins.
Based on who the other players are on this team, this appears to be what we should expect to see. He had an awesome game for the amount of minutes he played! And he went on to show he was just as good as the more heralded players on this team!
I like the overall philosophy of having the two best ball-handlers available to in-bounds to. I like the one taking the ball out to be tall. I also like that person to be a decent ball-handler, as he can either be the safety guy trailing the ball or he can bust to the middle ahead of the ball and create a difficult-to-cover man. That leaves your tallest, and often worst ball handers, downcourt and available to burst to above the foul circle.
With most lineups, that fits your 3 taking the ball out. BUT!!! at times it may be better to have the guy closest to the ball/baseline take it out and QUICKLY inbounds it .... which will still generally leave the 1, and 2 to receive the in-bounds as they are rarely under the basket. the 4 is usually under the basket, so his replacing the 3 is easy.
I can remember my coach screaming "FILL THE LANES." ...
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