Moore's Injury

[Wolegib]

I believe somebody predicted this would happen through his overuse.

he is now questionable for the Iowa game because of an injury sustained in the MSU game. he may play , but won't be 100%.

I know - you hate me for posting this. it's not fake news. Brian also posted it o n the home page.

 

[Purdue85]

I believe somebody predicted this would happen through his overuse.

he is now questionable for the Iowa game because of an injury sustained in the MSU game. he may play , but won't be 100%.

I know - you hate me for posting this. it's not fake news. Brian also posted it o n the home page.

over

use.

What constitutes "overuse," pray-tell?

 

[ahhculdee]

Michigan State were trying to intentionally injure him for sure.

 

[Wolegib]

over

use.

What constitutes "overuse," pray-tell?

every offensive down, punt returns, kick-off returns.

 

[nips18]

He had his ankle rolled up on a tackle. That’s not from overuse

 

[Chi-Boiler]

I suppose by rule, the more plays you are in on, the more chances there are to get hurt. But I don't think he's being overused.

 

[Purdue85]

every offensive down, punt returns, kick-off returns.

Through 8 games, here are his approximate stats:

1.5 carries per game
8.5 receptions per game
1 punt return per game
2.5 kick returns per game

"Every offensive down"??

And now he's injured due to . . . 'overuse' . . . ?

C'mon, bigs.

 

[SIBoiler2]

every offensive down, punt returns, kick-off returns.

Sounds like a lineman. Why no concerns for them???

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

I don't think it is overuse, but it definitely changes our game plan and offense for the game. Hopefully, he can play. A 75% to 80% healthy Moore would still be more effective than other options.

 

[Wolegib]

typically your star receiver does not also do returns. While you don't consider it overuse, the more times a player is on the field, the more chances he has to experience an injury - especially smaller receivers, and especially on special teams.

 

[Purdue85]

typically your star receiver does not also do returns. While you don't consider it overuse, the more times a player is on the field, the more chances he has to experience an injury - especially smaller receivers, and especially on special teams.

Don't keep digging.

He isn't injured due to . . . "overuse."

He squats 600#. He's not . . . "smaller."

It's not uncommon for the fastest, most elusive player on the team to return kicks and punts. In fact, it's quite . . . logical. And common.

In fact, if he weren't returning kicks/punts, SOME people would be questioning the decision.

 

[SIBoiler2]

typically your star receiver does not also do returns. While you don't consider it overuse, the more times a player is on the field, the more chances he has to experience an injury - especially smaller receivers, and especially on special teams.

C'mon Wole. We've got one star and we NEED to use him. I don't see OSU or Alabama using their star QBs only 1/4 of the plays. You use what you have available that gives you a chance to win.

 

[chaspark]

typically your star receiver does not also do returns. While you don't consider it overuse, the more times a player is on the field, the more chances he has to experience an injury - especially smaller receivers, and especially on special teams.

I did think the same about the punt returns. Kick return, I understand.

In overall, I don't think Moore has been overused until the MSU game. One of my critical points about that game was that they put Moore in an impossible situations where he is forced to try to make a play. In that aspect, yes, Moore has been overused in the MSU game. Before then? Not really.

 

[Tucsonboiler2]

Even at 70 or 80% he is an invaluable decoy. Iowa's front 7 is every bit as good as MSU's but I don't think their corners are as good. Hopefully Brohm can exploit them like he did last year

 

[boiledmeconium]

typically your star receiver does not also do returns. While you don't consider it overuse, the more times a player is on the field, the more chances he has to experience an injury - especially smaller receivers, and especially on special teams.

Showcasing Moore shows recruits that Brohm will give them every opportunity to display their talent. The best players want to get into the NFL someday. Few players can do that while on the bench.

Also, schematically, Moore should be used on every play to open up other receivers. He doesn't have to touch the ball or even make contact with another player.

However, I would be okay if Moore did not return kicks and punts. Those are violent plays every time he touches the ball, for a paltry 10 more yards per return than Anthrop.

 

[Purdue85]

I did think the same about the punt returns. Kick return, I understand.

In overall, I don't think Moore has been overused until the MSU game. One of my critical points about that game was that they put Moore in an impossible situations where he is forced to try to make a play. In that aspect, yes, Moore has been overused in the MSU game. Before then? Not really.

I have to admit, I just don't get this forum.

We have an incredible play-maker. Possibly one in a generation. An athlete in which you want to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.

!

Yet, we have people questioning whether or not he is . . . OVERUSED. (I'm not kidding.)

Or, that he is given the ball to . . . MAKE PLAYS.

FOLKS!!!

 

[purduepat1969]

I have to admit, I just don't get this forum.

We have an incredible play-maker. Possibly one in a generation. An athlete in which you want to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.

!

Yet, we have people questioning whether or not he is . . . OVERUSED. (I'm not kidding.)

Or, that he is given the ball to . . . MAKE PLAYS.

FOLKS!!!

Agree completely. He was recruited to PLAY. When a guy gets injured due to a rolled ankle, its not from overuse. Any one of the wide receivers could have done that. Did we "Tario Fuller" when he was injured? How about Sindelar and Blough? We're they "overused" last year?

 

[Purdue85]

Agree completely. He was recruited to PLAY. When a guy gets injured due to a rolled ankle, its not from overuse. Any one of the wide receivers could have done that. Did we "Tario Fuller" when he was injured? How about Sindelar and Blough? We're they "overused" last year?

or linemen. . . or RBs . . . or DBs . . . or . . . or . . .

It's a violent game, played violently.

The worst injuries I suffered were during basketball and baseball games. Never was I injured playing football.

 

[boilerman101]

Well, I'm not gonna argue about this or that. I just hope he is able to play. The West may be out of reach now, but we still need two more wins to be bowl eligible. As Larry the Cable Guy would say: Gitter done! and BoilerUp!

 

[chaspark]

I have to admit, I just don't get this forum.

We have an incredible play-maker. Possibly one in a generation. An athlete in which you want to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.

!

Yet, we have people questioning whether or not he is . . . OVERUSED. (I'm not kidding.)

Or, that he is given the ball to . . . MAKE PLAYS.

FOLKS!!!

I don't mean just playing him. Over and over I saw us just giving Moore the ball at 3 and long situation, with no trick play or even screen pass. We just passed or handed him the ball as expected and obviously. MSU knew what was gonna happen and focused only on him. MSU defense is no joke, especially if they know what is going to happen. Moore had nowhere to go but get tackled by 2-3 guys. It was a very un-Brohm-like offense.

 

[Wolegib]

the statement is not overused physically. I' m sure he's young enough to handle any amount of physical activity given him.

however, I' m saying overused strategically. When you use a player so much, the defense tends to key on that player. And some teams like to take out that player. And that's what MSU tried to do. If Moore suffered a tore ACL or broken leg returning punts, what would your opinion be?

If you have a weapon, you need to use him strategically to ensure he'll be available for every game and also for key situations in those games.

and for physical purposes, when it comes to calling somebody smaller, I consider a WR who is 5'9 and 175 pounds to be a smaller WR in comparison to the typical ones who are 6'2 and 190-200. and especially smaller when it comes to defensive linemen and linebackers who are tackling him on running plays.

I want to see Moore succeed just as much as anyone. but I also cringe when I see him used in so many different situations. Purdue's injury history has not been a good one.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

I believe somebody predicted this would happen through his overuse.

he is now questionable for the Iowa game because of an injury sustained in the MSU game. he may play , but won't be 100%.

I know - you hate me for posting this. it's not fake news. Brian also posted it o n the home page.

I was the one who stated it. Not being gleeful about the comment either. Bottom line he is human, the more you are in nearly every possible offensive snap, every punt return, every kick off return the more you get a bit winded and worn down and popped with a few big hits. Rondale has taken some hellacious hits on kick off returns and punt returns. Does Purdue have anyone that can do that so he has some fresh legs for continued explosive offense or will Purdue grind him till he gets really banged up? Even the NFL has return specialists that allow the stud WR’s or RB’s to have a breather.
I know he is elusive and can make people miss, but I’ve seen a few big hits in return that he doesn’t need to take. NW he got drilled in game 1 and that potentially could have ended his season before he got really hot!
Save that for a big rival game or a high profile game like OSU or bowl game with a National audience. We know he can do it. Just not 60+ times a season. Any sure handed personnel that is close to his potential will do.

 

[boiledmeconium]

the statement is not overused physically. I' m sure he's young enough to handle any amount of physical activity given him.

however, I' m saying overused strategically. When you use a player so much, the defense tends to key on that player. And some teams like to take out that player. And that's what MSU tried to do. If Moore suffered a tore ACL or broken leg returning punts, what would your opinion be?

If you have a weapon, you need to use him strategically to ensure he'll be available for every game and also for key situations in those games.

and for physical purposes, when it comes to calling somebody smaller, I consider a WR who is 5'9 and 175 pounds to be a smaller WR in comparison to the typical ones who are 6'2 and 190-200. and especially smaller when it comes to defensive linemen and linebackers who are tackling him on running plays.

I want to see Moore succeed just as much as anyone. but I also cringe when I see him used in so many different situations. Purdue's injury history has not been a good one.

You can't win games with your best players on the bench. Injury is part of the game. MSUs best WR tore his Achilles without any contact. It tore when he tried to run at the snap.

Do you prefer losing so you can keep our best players on the sideline in bubble wrap?

 

[FearTheTrain]

It's every WR's dream to be "overused"...

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I believe somebody predicted this would happen through his overuse.

he is now questionable for the Iowa game because of an injury sustained in the MSU game. he may play , but won't be 100%.

I know - you hate me for posting this. it's not fake news. Brian also posted it o n the home page.

I'll echo another's response: He had his ankle rolled up on while getting tackled. It happens in football...all the time. He likely got treatment all week and he'll play if he is able...if he isn't, someone is going to have to step up. It'll be Jackson Anthrop's turn to step up to the plate and show that last year being the leading receiver is still valuable this season.

 

[nips18]

Rondale is going to need to show on special teams as he has aspirations to play in the nfl. He should be the punt returner at Purdue his entire career. See Tyreek Hill with Chiefs.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

You can't win games with your best players on the bench. Injury is part of the game. MSUs best WR tore his Achilles without any contact. It tore when he tried to run at the snap.

Do you prefer losing so you can keep our best players on the sideline in bubble wrap?

Nobody is saying keep your best player on the bench. Here is my analogy, we have a fantastic shiny cannon and we all want to see it shoot as much as possible. However, take a wheel off that cannon and we'll not get to shoot it too much. Keep the cannon for the offensive moments you need it most and shoot the hell out of it if needed. Punt returns & Kick off returns, do not have to have Rondale back there all the time. Sure handed personnel who can catch it and not cough it up seems boring, but it won games for us last year.
Put the job back into Jackson Anthrop, Tyler Hamilton or other chosen player that can secure it, get 5-10 yards only IF needed and let our offense "DO THEIR JOB". Special Teams will likely not win games with one great return, but games can certainly be lost due to Special Teams and field position if fumbled.

On a side note, ask Ty Montgomery Formerly of GB Packers Now with Baltimore Ravens this week about special teams and how important it is to secure the football and follow instructions. He'll tell you it is important to take a knee in the endzone as instructed OR just secure the ball. It was a crush to GB last weekend.

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

It's every WR's dream to be "overused"...

I am assuming David Bell and Milton Wright are looking to come to Purdue due to overuse also.

 

[boiledmeconium]

Nobody is saying keep your best player on the bench. Here is my analogy, we have a fantastic shiny cannon and we all want to see it shoot as much as possible. However, take a wheel off that cannon and we'll not get to shoot it too much. Keep the cannon for the offensive moments you need it most and shoot the hell out of it if needed. Punt returns & Kick off returns, do not have to have Rondale back there all the time. Sure handed personnel who can catch it and not cough it up seems boring, but it won games for us last year.
Put the job back into Jackson Anthrop, Tyler Hamilton or other chosen player that can secure it, get 5-10 yards only IF needed and let our offense "DO THEIR JOB". Special Teams will likely not win games with one great return, but games can certainly be lost due to Special Teams and field position if fumbled.

On a side note, ask Ty Montgomery Formerly of GB Packers Now with Baltimore Ravens this week about special teams and how important it is to secure the football and follow instructions. He'll tell you it is important to take a knee in the endzone as instructed OR just secure the ball. It was a crush to GB last weekend.

I agree with you about kick returns, but Rondale needs to be on the field for most offensive snaps. If we only bring him out when we want to use him, teams will pick up on that. They'll know the play: Rondale is on the field therefore Rondale will get the ball. He doesn't have to get the ball or even block every time, but we need him to open things up for other players. He's the prime reason OSU didn't stack the box in the 4th when they knew we were trying to kill time and let DJ bust those big runs.

 

[hunkgolden]

I have to admit, I just don't get this forum.

We have an incredible play-maker. Possibly one in a generation. An athlete in which you want to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.

!

Yet, we have people questioning whether or not he is . . . OVERUSED. (I'm not kidding.)

Or, that he is given the ball to . . . MAKE PLAYS.

FOLKS!!!

It's not this forum - its one idiot...who has proven to say idiotic things. Put him on ignore and life is much better.

 

[ImRonBurgandy?]

I did not watch the game last week. Did Moore return to the game and if so was he still catching passes?

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

I am assuming David Bell and Milton Wright are looking to come to Purdue due to overuse also.

Ok, keep marching Rondale out there 100% of the time on every snap possible offensive, punt returns, and kickoff returns. Wait! What?! He is injured? How did that happen? Exhausted and couldn’t cut as fast...who needs to manage the fatigue factor to reduce injuries?
Do you now understand why he may not play tomorrow?
Agree 100%, he needs to be out there for every offensive snap possible. Do not agree with Special Teams play. There, “nuff” said.
Does anyone else remember the return against NW where he got the hell knocked out of him? He did get up, but could have just as easily been out for multiple games as well. Do we want to risk for reward that or let our OFFENSE DO THEIR JOB?!
Any hit could cause injury. Special teams and they are flying full speed and diving at moment of catch for high impact hits to shake the player from the ball. It is comparable to a car crash hit.

 

[Purdue85]

Ok, keep marching Rondale out there 100% of the time on every snap possible offensive, punt returns, and kickoff returns. Wait! What?! He is injured? How did that happen? Exhausted and couldn’t cut as fast...who needs to manage the fatigue factor to reduce injuries?
Do you now understand why he may not play tomorrow?
Agree 100%, he needs to be out there for every offensive snap possible. Do not agree with Special Teams play. There, “nuff” said.

Not sure I'm following. His ankle was rolled on because he was tired?

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

Ok, keep marching Rondale out there 100% of the time on every snap possible offensive, punt returns, and kickoff returns. Wait! What?! He is injured? How did that happen? Exhausted and couldn’t cut as fast...who needs to manage the fatigue factor to reduce injuries?
Do you now understand why he may not play tomorrow?
Agree 100%, he needs to be out there for every offensive snap possible. Do not agree with Special Teams play. There, “nuff” said.
Does anyone else remember the return against NW where he got the hell knocked out of him? He did get up, but could have just as easily been out for multiple games as well. Do we want to risk for reward that or let our OFFENSE DO THEIR JOB?!
Any hit could cause injury. Special teams and they are flying full speed and diving at moment of catch for high impact hits to shake the player from the ball. It is comparable to a car crash hit.

I am not sure I understood. I was making a joke about Bell and Wright wanting to come to Purdue to be overused.

Similar to Moore, they want to play in an offense where they can make plays and be productive to get the chance to play at the next level. Purdue gives them the chance to showcase their talents and skills with Brohm’s offense. The three of them would compliment each other.

As far as being overused, I wanted to be in the game as much as I could when I played sports. I was ultra competitive. I wanted the ball in my hands.

Moore is doing the same things at Purdue that he did at Trinity HS. Trinity used him as much as they could. He was a WR, RB, PR, and KO returner. His injury just happened on how someone landed on him during a tackle. It could happen to any of our athletes on the first play tomorrow or next week. Just part of the game unfortunately.

 

[Wolegib]

Not sure I'm following. His ankle was rolled on because he was tired?

His ankle was rolled on because the other team wanted to inflict pain and potentially knock him out of the game or at least that series. The more you trot him out to play the more times you risk an opponent trying to make a cheap shot at him. Nobody has ever said to take him out of our offense or only use him as part of certain formations. What we've try to say is we believe he is being over used which will lead to a possible injury. We need to do a better job of protecting our assets. We do have other players very capable of doing punt returns and kick-offs. They may not be as good as Moore, but they are capable. What did we gain if Moore has to sit out the Iowa game?

 

[Purdue85]

His ankle was rolled on because the other team wanted to inflict pain and potentially knock him out of the game or at least that series. The more you trot him out to play the more times you risk an opponent trying to make a cheap shot at him. Nobody has ever said to take him out of our offense or only use him as part of certain formations. What we've try to say is we believe he is being over used which will lead to a possible injury. We need to do a better job of protecting our assets. We do have other players very capable of doing punt returns and kick-offs. They may not be as good as Moore, but they are capable. What did we gain if Moore has to sit out the Iowa game?

bigs, no offense, but that post is bizarre.

so, if he wasn't on the field so much the other team would have displayed better sportsmanship and wouldn't have taken a cheap shot at him.

Right.

the more Matt Painter plays C Edwards, the more the other team will play dirty, take cheap shots.

 

[Wolegib]

Ok I was watching the game. And it just seemed like Brohm was trying to use him to do everything when we have other players on our team who could have been doing those same things. Unlike basketball, football is not a one and done sport. This is Moore's first year . I'm sure he wants to play and do as much as possible to help the team win. But I'd hate to see him burn out or become injured in his first season like so many other Boilers backs have in the past. I'd just like to see his usage scaled back a bit and allow some of our other players a chance to mix it up and keep the defenses honest rather than keying on one player and Blough forcing all his passes to one player.

It's refreshing to see some things never change. If a poster disagrees with a point of view, rather than engaging in conversation or offering their own take, you resort to name calling. If I was an idiot, I wouldn't have initiated this thread. I knew in advance what the majority of replies would be. It's odd you say place the person on ignore yet you feel compelled to replying to posts that you supposedly ignored. Hmmmmmmmm!!

 

[chiboiler7]

typically your star receiver does not also do returns. While you don't consider it overuse, the more times a player is on the field, the more chances he has to experience an injury - especially smaller receivers, and especially on special teams.

Special team returns with Moore are high risk high reward. You don't win games consistently without taking risks. Injuries are part of every sport but I am very against playing not to get injured.

 

[Ignacious McNutt]

Ok I was watching the game. And it just seemed like Brohm was trying to use him to do everything when we have other players on our team who could have been doing those same things. Unlike basketball, football is not a one and done sport. This is Moore's first year . I'm sure he wants to play and do as much as possible to help the team win. But I'd hate to see him burn out or become injured in his first season like so many other Boilers backs have in the past. I'd just like to see his usage scaled back a bit and allow some of our other players a chance to mix it up and keep the defenses honest rather than keying on one player and Blough forcing all his passes to one player.

It's refreshing to see some things never change. If a poster disagrees with a point of view, rather than engaging in conversation or offering their own take, you resort to name calling. If I was an idiot, I wouldn't have initiated this thread. I knew in advance what the majority of replies would be. It's odd you say place the person on ignore yet you feel compelled to replying to posts that you supposedly ignored. Hmmmmmmmm!!

So you made this thread knowing the grief you would take, yet complain about it when it happens?

Players don't come to NOT play and Moore's injury is a rolled ankle. Do you really think that someone the age of Moore that can squat what he does is going to be injured? He isn't 80, he's young, strong and can take all the playing time Coach wants to give him.

 

[Wolegib]

I would have taken grief from certain posters regardless of my intent or comments.

Purdue has a very bad track record regarding injuries to skill position players! I'd like to see that change and not repeat itself.