Miller Coaching Question

[BigRed3588]

If IU had landed Mack I would be concerned. Miller - not so much. Miller was the best IU could get and he seems like a pretty underwhelming hire to me. Schools like UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, and etc get proven coaches from power 5 conferences to come there. IU gets mid major coaches from obscure conferences.

That scenario would've been preferable, but my question is: which proven coach from a power 5 conference would've left their current position? You just named the most successful (well, K over Roy for ACC) from 3 of the 5 and none of them are leaving those schools. We know Izzo isn't leaving so that makes 4. I think that pretty much leaves Sean Miller and he has a good gig.

Miller was obviously at least 3rd behind Stevens and Donovan. I doubt Alford was ever even an option, especially given his comments and their timing before/after the tourney. I didn't want Mack and wouldn't be surprised if IU didn't show interest there either (a few years of his success were with teams led by Sampson commits). That pretty much leaves Miller, Holtmann, Marshall, and Bennett (yawn). And I think Miller was hired before Marshall, Mack, Alford, and Holtmann were out of the tourney anyway. De'ron Davis's comments about staying came pretty early in the tourney and I don't see a kid making that decision without knowing who his coach is; especially when the coach that was fired began recruiting him as a freshman.

 

[Ben Richart]

Miller was on the list that included Bryce Drew. Don't recall the 3-4 other coaches that I had previously listed. Not important.

Perhaps I just prefer a style of play. Up tempo.

I will go on record. IU will be an Elite 8 team in 3 yrs. Just a gut feeling and no I am not an IU fan.

will take him 3 years to get to Elite 8? lol, he'll be fired before then. If he doesn't get to the finial four in two years, watch out... good thing he is small and short, he's likely to have a target on this back that the IU fans will have a hard time hitting.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Who cares...he is the enemy now lets kick his ass......

 

[tjreese]

Who cares...he is the enemy now lets kick his ass......

not necessarily...Crean might be considered our friend...I mean there was always some entertainment not to mention having one win against Matt when a Zeller was not on the team.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Plays 90% man on defense, runs motion, and I thought IU would do better. He'll win some, but in the end I believe he'll do just about what Crean's done. He's not Calipari by any means, he's no Pitino, nor a Self. He's more of a Shaka Smart in my opinion. I doubt he knows much about the schools in Indiana since he only signed one player from the Hoosier in his time in Dayton and it's only 45 miles from the border. My friend in Dayton who I do business with loves him, has season tickets to the Flyers, and thought he'd be hired away before now, which didn't happen.

That's because he wouldn't listen to anyone, including NCState, his alma mater.

 

[zeke4ahs]

What guys? Mack, Marshall, Donovan who? I like the hire because he is the best IU could get. It isn't an elite job no matter what the media says because IU can't hire any big name coaches. Hell Majerus turned it down to coach St Louis. So....it may be elite to the media but if it were truly elite big name guys would be lining up to take the job. It took Bill Self about 30 seconds to jump from Illinois to Kansas a few years back. IU just isn't in that class when it comes to coaches.

It isn't an elite job, no matter what coaches, the media, and anyone else that knows anything about basketball says. I sincerely doubt that Majerus was approached, considering he is dead. ( and if you are talking about 9 years ago, it's a little different situation. ) Elite is about fan base, facilities, and recruiting base and IU is elite in all those areas. And FYI, most of the media you disdain also called it a home run hire. But we'll see. Everyone I know is extremely excited, as is 98% on the message boards. He was first choice two years ago when it looked like CTC was in trouble.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

It isn't an elite job, no matter what coaches, the media, and anyone else that knows anything about basketball says. I sincerely doubt that Majerus was approached, considering he is dead. ( and if you are talking about 9 years ago, it's a little different situation. ) Elite is about fan base, facilities, and recruiting base and IU is elite in all those areas. And FYI, most of the media you disdain also called it a home run hire. But we'll see. Everyone I know is extremely excited, as is 98% on the message boards. He was first choice two years ago when it looked like CTC was in trouble.

Wait a minute.....hold on a second....let's be honest if an IU fan can these days. The first choice two years ago was Marshall and Stevens...you know, the pie in the sky fantasy dreams. And that "elite fan base" that you deem so important with this hiring, was the same fan base that clamored to proclaim Tom Crean the hottest, best, young new coach and just the right anti-Knight that IU should be so lucky to get. Only a few of us stood up and questioned that hire.

Good luck with your newest fifth best choice after firing your old new best fifth choice. And please, don't insult the intelligence of those on this board by saying Archie was Glass' first and only choice because we all know better.

 

[tjreese]

Wait a minute.....hold on a second....let's be honest if an IU fan can these days. The first choice two years ago was Marshall and Stevens...you know, the pie in the sky fantasy dreams. And that "elite fan base" that you deem so important with this hiring, was the same fan base that clamored to proclaim Tom Crean the hottest, best, young new coach and just the right anti-Knight that IU should be so lucky to get. Only a few of us stood up and questioned that hire.

Good luck with your newest fifth best choice after firing your old new best fifth choice. And please, don't insult the intelligence of those on this board by saying Archie was Glass' first and only choice because we all know better.

Yeah, no way he was IU's first choice. He may do fine there...I don't know.

 

[wawasee]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-praises-new-iu-coach-archie-miller/99856490/ Knight likes the hire for IU.

 

[tjreese]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-praises-new-iu-coach-archie-miller/99856490/ Knight likes the hire for IU.

I can see all this..
“Without any reservation,” Knight said, recounting the conversation, “(Donoher) said, ‘I think you and the people at Indiana will really like the way this coach goes about things.’” and this
“You folks get behind him,” Knight said of Miller, “and I think you’re gonna enjoy some good basketball.” No doubt his comments were a reflection of what insight Donoher nay have shared with Knight. I may hate losing some humor and not sure in the wish list he was, but I suspect IU will play more sound basketball...I think that is a very fair assessment

 

[mathboy]

A young fellow drove by a farm and saw that the farmer had been practicing archery. He was shocked that the farmer seemed to have hit the target dead center, every shot. He ran up to the house and asked the farmer how he did it. The farmer explained that he painted the bull's-eye around the arrow, after he shot it.

Maybe that is how Miller has become the IU coach "everyone wanted"?

 

[BoiledSteel]

Maybe that is how Miller has become the IU coach "everyone wanted"?

Miller is the coach that everyone wanted because they couldn't get anyone else.

 

[wawasee]

Miller is the coach that everyone wanted because they couldn't get anyone else.

We'll see how good he is. Glad I could come to your board to find out the truth..

 

[TwinDegrees2]

We'll see how good he is. Glad I could come to your board to find out the truth..

My guess.....very similar results to Tom Crean. Win some/lose some. The next Wooden....nah. The next Knight....nah. The next Mike Davis....nah. Be interesting to see how the IU faithful feel when he loses to PU next year.

 

[wawasee]

My guess.....very similar results to Tom Crean. Win some/lose some. The next Wooden....nah. The next Knight....nah. The next Mike Davis....nah. Be interesting to see how the IU faithful feel when he loses to PU next year.

He doesn't have a Sam Gilbert to pay his players so the wooden comparison is out..

 

[TwinDegrees2]

He doesn't have a Sam Gilbert to pay his players so the wooden comparison is out..

You do know Wooden is loved a lot over here? Pretty risky post.

 

[wawasee]

You do know Wooden is loved a lot over here? Pretty risky post.

It's the truth. Several former players admitted to receiving everything from cars to cash. You can google it yourself. The one thing that I always appreciated about IU and Purdue is they dont pay for players. There is a school south of the border who paid for two Indy player. Another school hires hookers to get their commitments. I am glad IU and Purdue dont do that.

 

[tjreese]

It's the truth. Several former players admitted to receiving everything from cars to cash. You can google it yourself. The one thing that I always appreciated about IU and Purdue is they dont pay for players. There is a school south of the border who paid for two Indy player. Another school hires hookers to get their commitments. I am glad IU and Purdue dont do that.

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Here is the thing. Not that it is right, but I have no doubt that years ago IU and Purdue both had players that were appreciated above room, board and tuition...same with Butler. I have not read a book or used Google to check on Sam Gilbert and what the original writer said...or those that borrowed from the original writer and repeated his words. What I think can be stated is that there is no proof that Wooden was knowledgable of the accusations made concerning his players. However, reading just a bit on Wooden suggests that he was the kind of person that would be willing to help those "TRULY" in need with what little things he could do, but none worthy of discussion. Nor can anyone suggest that Wooden would do anything to win as shown by his willingness to dismiss Walton for his facial hair and told him that he admired Bill for having principles. No, this man won like none before or any after and yet today around the country it is not Wooden the coach that dominated the stage of basketball that gets discussed in coaching or business, but his pyramid of success that develops people for whatever goals they may have and a finer, less coarse society along the way.

The irony is that Purdue a school that has a rich history in basketball, with fans that love the game and desire to win generally do not elevate this iconic man due to his never approached accomplishments in basketball, but the principled person he was that has contributed to the growth of virtues beyond the court. Still, for whatever the reason a few IU fans (and I have no idea of your total knowledge or opinions to write comments relative to you) somehow attempt to reason that Wooden was only able to do what he did as a result of Gilbert in an attempt to undermine him in some sick way of elevating IU in some fashion..or so the feelings seem to hold. Those people trying to cut down Wooden and somehow "feeling" that doing so somehow elevates IU mystifies me and yet I know the world is filled with many not capable of reason.

I choose to believe you are not doing that, but merely have a moral outrage in what you consider wrongly held praise for this iconic man and the virtues he demonstrated his whole life. Although I may disagree with your premise...if you hold those feelings, I too have respect for someone with high standards that wishes to shed light on whatever vices may be objectionable. Consequently, I suggest you invesitgate the real face of IU...Kinsey. This sick man that is the real face of IU that would stick toothbrushes up his penis, practice pedophillia and use bogus data to create an illusion of scholarly research has to be much more embarrassing to one interested in character, integrity and virtue than another person that may or may not have known about another giving extras to players on the team. I wish you well in your battle for truth and your desire to call out the vices as you feel...

 

[wawasee]

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Here is the thing. Not that it is right, but I have no doubt that years ago IU and Purdue both had players that were appreciated above room, board and tuition...same with Butler. I have not read a book or used Google to check on Sam Gilbert and what the original writer said...or those that borrowed from the original writer and repeated his words. What I think can be stated is that there is no proof that Wooden was knowledgable of the accusations made concerning his players. However, reading just a bit on Wooden suggests that he was the kind of person that would be willing to help those "TRULY" in need with what little things he could do, but none worthy of discussion. Nor can anyone suggest that Wooden would do anything to win as shown by his willingness to dismiss Walton for his facial hair and told him that he admired Bill for having principles. No, this man won like none before or any after and yet today around the country it is not Wooden the coach that dominated the stage of basketball that gets discussed in coaching or business, but his pyramid of success that develops people for whatever goals they may have and a finer, less coarse society along the way.

The irony is that Purdue a school that has a rich history in basketball, with fans that love the game and desire to win generally do not elevate this iconic man due to his never approached accomplishments in basketball, but the principled person he was that has contributed to the growth of virtues beyond the court. Still, for whatever the reason a few IU fans (and I have no idea of your total knowledge or opinions to write comments relative to you) somehow attempt to reason that Wooden was only able to do what he did as a result of Gilbert in an attempt to undermine him in some sick way of elevating IU in some fashion..or so the feelings seem to hold. Those people trying to cut down Wooden and somehow "feeling" that doing so somehow elevates IU mystifies me and yet I know the world is filled with many not capable of reason.

I choose to believe you are not doing that, but merely have a moral outrage in what you consider wrongly held praise for this iconic man and the virtues he demonstrated his whole life. Although I may disagree with your premise...if you hold those feelings, I too have respect for someone with high standards that wishes to shed light on whatever vices may be objectionable. Consequently, I suggest you invesitgate the real face of IU...Kinsey. This sick man that is the real face of IU that would stick toothbrushes up his penis, practice pedophillia and use bogus data to create an illusion of scholarly research has to be much more embarrassing to one interested in character, integrity and virtue than another person that may or may not have known about another giving extras to players on the team. I wish you well in your battle for truth and your desire to call out the vices as you feel...

Make sure you tell Bill Walton and Walt Hazzard. They both said Wooden knew what was going on. Gilbert sat right behind the bench at UCLA games. When Wooden recruited the Shepard kid he talked to him first. Then Gilbert came into the room and told him what he could do for him. I don't dislike Wooden at all. But it is the truth..

 

[tjreese]

Make sure you tell Bill Walton and Walt Hazzard. They both said Wooden knew what was going on. Gilbert sat right behind the bench at UCLA games. When Wooden recruited the Shepard kid he talked to him first. Then Gilbert came into the room and told him what he could do for him. I don't dislike Wooden at all. But it is the truth..

It could very well be true that what Walton and /or Hazzard said could be true and not their interpretation. That opinion may be accurate. We do know that Bill was free to leave when he wanted to hold his principles of facial hair. So, how do we reconcile the appearances of what appears to be completely different standards? One as you state as reason to believe that Bill or Walt knew rather than believed with Walton's facial hair we know? What I'm trying to understand is why would we care about whatever role alleged to Sam Gilbert may have influenced the UCLA team. On the other hand I do have tax dollars going to IU that created an icon for a pervert. Is that less of a concern for you than whatever Sam Gilbert was alleged to do and the alleged degree of knowledge Wooden had?

I have a brother-in-law that has pics of Hazzard when they played and fully aware of how UCLA got on the Butler schedule years ago as I am of what went on back then in recruiting and what may be more common place than you are aware. Still, I'm not sure why Sam Gilbert would be of interest to me or any Purdue fan...or IU fan? If Sam spent his money supporting UCLA through methods as you say...why would that be of interest to me or others on this forum? None of this diminishes Wooden's contributions and none of it affects me or anyone most likely in this forum. What am I missing in not relegating the role Sam Gilbert was said to have to Kinsey with my tax dollars? Why do you see Sam Gilbert and his money with anything related to Purdue ane more importantly does the Kinsey center embarrass you more than what Sam was said to have done a couple of thousand miles away.

I'm being sincere in that in my little mind, I can't equate the two (Gilbert interest with Kinsey of no interest) in degrees of importance. Why would any Purdue grad or fan care about the alledged role of Gilbert in "basketball" with the fraud in academics paid for by taxpayers in what is supposed to be a conference of research? Is that of interest to you?

Now an easier question to answer than why the lack of interest in Kinsey and the great interest in Gilbert is whether you were around when Mike Jones coached Wawasee..which I believe was in the early 80's? Again, if it has no degree of conjecture and is 100% truth without coloring regarding your view created by that you read of Gilbert...tell me how that impacts Purdue. I'm sometimes a little slow to connect the dots

 

[Heller]

Make sure you tell Bill Walton and Walt Hazzard. They both said Wooden knew what was going on. Gilbert sat right behind the bench at UCLA games. When Wooden recruited the Shepard kid he talked to him first. Then Gilbert came into the room and told him what he could do for him. I don't dislike Wooden at all. But it is the truth..

Did you also note two things? First things were much different back when Wooden coached and a ton of kids, yes even IU kids, got some sweet benefits. Second when Wooden complained to the AD he was told to shut up and his job was to coach.

 

[Heller]

It isn't an elite job, no matter what coaches, the media, and anyone else that knows anything about basketball says. I sincerely doubt that Majerus was approached, considering he is dead. ( and if you are talking about 9 years ago, it's a little different situation. ) Elite is about fan base, facilities, and recruiting base and IU is elite in all those areas. And FYI, most of the media you disdain also called it a home run hire. But we'll see. Everyone I know is extremely excited, as is 98% on the message boards. He was first choice two years ago when it looked like CTC was in trouble.

The Majerus comment was about the Crean hire. Which you should take to mean IU hasn't been elite for a long time.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

It could very well be true that what Walton and /or Hazzard said could be true and not their interpretation. That opinion may be accurate. We do know that Bill was free to leave when he wanted to hold his principles of facial hair. So, how do we reconcile the appearances of what appears to be completely different standards? One as you state as reason to believe that Bill or Walt knew rather than believed with Walton's facial hair we know? What I'm trying to understand is why would we care about whatever role alleged to Sam Gilbert may have influenced the UCLA team. On the other hand I do have tax dollars going to IU that created an icon for a pervert. Is that less of a concern for you than whatever Sam Gilbert was alleged to do and the alleged degree of knowledge Wooden had?

I have a brother-in-law that has pics of Hazzard when they played and fully aware of how UCLA got on the Butler schedule years ago as I am of what went on back then in recruiting and what may be more common place than you are aware. Still, I'm not sure why Sam Gilbert would be of interest to me or any Purdue fan...or IU fan? If Sam spent his money supporting UCLA through methods as you say...why would that be of interest to me or others on this forum? None of this diminishes Wooden's contributions and none of it affects me or anyone most likely in this forum. What am I missing in not relegating the role Sam Gilbert was said to have to Kinsey with my tax dollars? Why do you see Sam Gilbert and his money with anything related to Purdue ane more importantly does the Kinsey center embarrass you more than what Sam was said to have done a couple of thousand miles away.

I'm being sincere in that in my little mind, I can't equate the two (Gilbert interest with Kinsey of no interest) in degrees of importance. Why would any Purdue grad or fan care about the alledged role of Gilbert in "basketball" with the fraud in academics paid for by taxpayers in what is supposed to be a conference of research? Is that of interest to you?

Now an easier question to answer than why the lack of interest in Kinsey and the great interest in Gilbert is whether you were around when Mike Jones coached Wawasee..which I believe was in the early 80's? Again, if it has no degree of conjecture and is 100% truth without coloring regarding your view created by that you read of Gilbert...tell me how that impacts Purdue. I'm sometimes a little slow to connect the dots

TJ, need I remind the IU poster of AHope again? And Again? And how a shoeless immigrant child can come to the USA under an IU booster's guardianship and wind up with a cell phone and a car that he drove down the sidewalks of Bloomington drunk on his ass with Yogi as a passenger. That being said, one was suspended and eventually cast...er...Creaned, while the other suffered nothing and became a repeat offender who is now playing for IU alum, Mark Cuban. But....since RMK's been gone, that's the way it rolls in Trailer City.

 

[tjreese]

TJ, need I remind the IU poster of AHope again? And Again? And how a shoeless immigrant child can come to the USA under an IU booster's guardianship and wind up with a cell phone and a car that he drove down the sidewalks of Bloomington drunk on his ass with Yogi as a passenger. That being said, one was suspended and eventually cast...er...Creaned, while the other suffered nothing and became a repeat offender who is now playing for IU alum, Mark Cuban. But....since RMK's been gone, that's the way it rolls in Trailer City.

nah, he may be a good guy..just some peripheral vision issues perhaps?

 

[mathboy]

When folks try to make moral judgements of historical figures based on the rules/morals/conventions of the current day, I think they are making huge errors in judgements. In today's PC world, even Abraham Lincoln would be considered a racist, even though it was his firm belief that slavery was wrong. We must be very careful of such errors in evaluation of historic figures.

The same can be said for the Walton/Wooden era college sports. The NCAA rules and enforcement were very different than today. In fact, the convention of providing assistance to athletes was very different. If you were an top athlete in any sport, at almost any D1 school in the 1960's or 1970's, You could expect some "extra" benefits. It was a regular part of the recruiting pitch, expected by most "head line" athletes. Those might include $100 handshakes.

Such benefits took place at every program, including IU and Purdue basketball and football at the time. Even places like ISU, Butler, and Evansville were doing it. Any IU fan that gets on here and acts like it is a big deal at UCLA, giving Wooden some kind of unique benefit is either woefully under-informed or a lying hypocrite. Every athletic program had their benefactors at that time, including IU. I had friends who played football at IU at the time, and let me tell you...

 

[TwinDegrees2]

When folks try to make moral judgements of historical figures based on the rules/morals/conventions of the current day, I think they are making huge errors in judgements. In today's PC world, even Abraham Lincoln would be considered a racist, even though it was his firm belief that slavery was wrong. We must be very careful of such errors in evaluation of historic figures.

The same can be said for the Walton/Wooden era college sports. The NCAA rules and enforcement were very different than today. In fact, the convention of providing assistance to athletes was very different. If you were an top athlete in any sport, at almost any D1 school in the 1960's or 1970's, You could expect some "extra" benefits. It was a regular part of the recruiting pitch, expected by most "head line" athletes. Those might include $100 handshakes.

Such benefits took place at every program, including IU and Purdue basketball and football at the time. Even places like ISU, Butler, and Evansville were doing it. Any IU fan that gets on here and acts like it is a big deal at UCLA, giving Wooden some kind of unique benefit is either woefully under-informed or a lying hypocrite. Every athletic program had their benefactors at that time, including IU. I had friends who played football at IU at the time, and let me tell you...

Branch, and I say this as an IU guy, was notorious for his players being "taken" care of. Davis came in after Knight and allowed boosters "access" which Knight had never done. I've been told that Sampson did more than make phone calls and send text messages. Crean was probably pretty clean would be my guess.

We'll have to wait and see about Arch when the pressure to win big hits him between the ears.

 

[mathboy]

Branch, and I say this as an IU guy, was notorious for his players being "taken" care of. Davis came in after Knight and allowed boosters "access" which Knight had never done. I've been told that Sampson did more than make phone calls and send text messages. Crean was probably pretty clean would be my guess.

We'll have to wait and see about Arch when the pressure to win big hits him between the ears.

Getting "extras" during the Sampson or Davis era is far more damning than getting the same in the 60's or 70's. The NCAA has cleaned up a lot of these kinds of things in the last 40 years. The world has changed since the Wooden era, but cheaters still ply their trade.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Getting "extras" during the Sampson or Davis era is far more damning than getting the same in the 60's or 70's. The NCAA has cleaned up a lot of these kinds of things in the last 40 years. The world has changed since the Wooden era, but cheaters still ply their trade.

Have a good friend who's a ref and did...maybe still does on occasion...UK baseball and softball games. Tells the story of a certain 7'er who visited campus and saw a red and white Ford Torino like Starsky and Hutch used and went nuts over it. When he arrived in the fall, there just happened to be one just like that with seat adjustments to fit his long frame at his "dorm" with the keys inside his room.

 

[BoilerAndy]

Elite is about fan base, facilities, and recruiting base and IU is elite in all those areas. And FYI, most of the media you disdain also called it a home run hire. But we'll see. Everyone I know is extremely excited, as is 98% on the message boards. He was first choice two years ago when it looked like CTC was in trouble.

I have seen this exact same thing regurgitated over and over by the delusionals. That is just plain silly. Elite is about winning, not fan base, facilities, or recruiting base. If what you say is true, then IU could have gotten anyone they wanted. In fact, you were saying all along that they can get anyone they want. Now you are claiming that Miller was that guy? LOL! Nice revisionism. There was much more talk about Stevens, Donovan, Smart, Alford, and even Rick Pitino from the IU fan base. Some even thought IU was so elite, Izzo would leave MSU to coach there. Almost zero discussion about Miller. Why would anyone who thinks they are an elite program that could get anyone have Miller as their top choice? It isn't even an intelligent thought.

Zeke must the new screen name for the IU fan (Stu?) who bases all of his opinions on what the "experts" write, no matter how wrong they turn out to be. Remember when he was telling us that IU would win the B1G and make the FF in 2017 because all of the experts agreed? Cherry pick published opinions and regurgitate what you want to be true, then cite the opinions as obvious facts. It's much easier than thinking for yourself.

 

[davidrdunn]

Mack didn't want the job.

He wasn't offered the job. Only Miller was offered.

 

[Ben Richart]

He wasn't offered the job. Only Miller was offered.

that's correct. Glass only took the temperature of two people, Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens. That's it. Got the cold shoulder, and went on to get Miller. Didn't even get Ted Kitchel's opinion, lol. how dare he?

 

[TwinDegrees2]

that's correct. Glass only took the temperature of two people, Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens. That's it. Got the cold shoulder, and went on to get Miller. Didn't even get Ted Kitchel's opinion, lol. how dare he?

"We" know that Donovan was contacted and visited Bloomington. He wanted $8,000,000 and ol' Fred wasn't going to pay it. Archie was fourth or fifth.

 

[BigLuv]

"We" know that Donovan was contacted and visited Bloomington. He wanted $8,000,000 and ol' Fred wasn't going to pay it. Archie was fourth or fifth.

Doesn't really matter what choice he was now. Now he's putting his squad together and we'll see how things play out. I like IU's chances.

The guy comes from pedigree, he's young, a worker and has been exposed to high level recruits and international players through his daily confidant and former boss, aka brother Sean at Arizona.

And his wife is a smokeshow.

 

[Ben Richart]

"We" know that Donovan was contacted and visited Bloomington. He wanted $8,000,000 and ol' Fred wasn't going to pay it. Archie was fourth or fifth.

lol, he did not go to bloomington, he didn't even have a pulse for the job and 8 million is way over the top for a college coach. Miller was not 4th or 5th. Here are the coaches that Glass didn't go after, not even a hot steam towel shave together:
Alford, Holtmann, Bennett, Mack, Smart, Marshall, Sean Miller, Drew, Whitman, Thomas - lol , Collins, Wade, Fife.
1st - Brad Stevens
2nd - Billy Donovan
3rd - Archie Miller
Glass ended up chewing on a wet shoe after he made the very regrettable comment, "a guy from Indiana is a check-plus-plus". After he made those comments, IU alum and donors about chewed his ears off, much less the fan-base spiking the internet and crashing servers. He was not going to listen to Dakich, Kitchel, and other former IU player wash-ups. He DID however listen to people like Dr. Steve Alhfeld, Laz, and other more informed and well respected voices of IU basketball.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

lol, he did not go to bloomington, he didn't even have a pulse for the job and 8 million is way over the top for a college coach. Miller was not 4th or 5th. Here are the coaches that Glass didn't go after, not even a hot steam towel shave together:
Alford, Holtmann, Bennett, Mack, Smart, Marshall, Sean Miller, Drew, Whitman, Thomas - lol , Collins, Wade, Fife.
1st - Brad Stevens
2nd - Billy Donovan
3rd - Archie Miller
Glass ended up chewing on a wet shoe after he made the very regrettable comment, "a guy from Indiana is a check-plus-plus". After he made those comments, IU alum and donors about chewed his ears off, much less the fan-base spiking the internet and crashing servers. He was not going to listen to Dakich, Kitchel, and other former IU player wash-ups. He DID however listen to people like Dr. Steve Alhfeld, Laz, and other more informed and well respected voices of IU basketball.

Sure Ben, we all believe you. Especially those of us who actually know some of those you mention.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Doesn't really matter what choice he was now. Now he's putting his squad together and we'll see how things play out. I like IU's chances.

The guy comes from pedigree, he's young, a worker and has been exposed to high level recruits and international players through his daily confidant and former boss, aka brother Sean at Arizona.

And his wife is a smokeshow.

You meant,, "And his wife is a sideshow"....right? And how's that Sean Miller guy working out at Arizona? Any titles?

 

[Ben Richart]

You meant,, "And his wife is a sideshow"....right? And how's that Sean Miller guy working out at Arizona? Any titles?

Gregg Marshall has dibs on sideshow spousal unit. "that's just my mom, she's drunk". Morgan Miller is a solid #2 (in the eyes of north-flustered wildcats' fans)

 

[Riptrain]

At IU, to be successful in today's world he has to recruit the one and done's and I don't think his coaching style is conducive to getting them to come play for him.

I think if anything UNC Oregon and gonzaga proved this year you don't need one and dones to succeed. Or maybe I'm wrong and Kentucky has won every national title since Cal arrived

 

[BigRed3588]

You meant,, "And his wife is a sideshow"....right? And how's that Sean Miller guy working out at Arizona? Any titles?

Come on TD2. Basketball aside, I think we can all agree that Morgan Miller is fine!

 

[takedownboiler]

One of my best friends used to be a basketball manager for both X and IU. His stories are wild about X. All players everywhere he says are getting extra. No matter what anyone says. Just not the crazy extent like in the "old days".