I saw that box score and immediately wondered: Who here thought they'd see a game with Myles Colvin as our leading rebounder? Great for him. Not so great for our bigs.
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When you're secure in who you are, as Purdue is, there's no shame in getting punched in the mouth, whether that's losing by 10 or 30. It's what you learn from it and how you react. This loss will make this team significantly better in March. Great loss.
Not a surprising reaction from an IU fan, where the hype has significantly exceeded substance for a long time. If you're IU a loss like this may break you as a team.
When you're secure in who you are, as Purdue is, there's no shame in getting punched in the mouth, whether that's losing by 10 or 30. It's what you learn from it and how you react. This loss will make this team significantly better in March. Great loss.
No team is turning a corner after 3 or 4 games. Definitely not one that lost the NPOY.
Don't be too hard on him. They've had their share of 20 point whippings of late, and it never seems to help them. If you've never seen your team respond well to a whipping, you'd be skeptical too!
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If IU loses by 20 I'm shredding my team because that's bad and I see no positive light to be found.
I completely agree that that’s the response if you’re IU. Thank God that Purdue’s program is in an exponentially better place.
The experience of a loss against a Shaka Smart defense on road in November, just might be what keeps the Boilers from stubbing their toe on the road against similar former VCU defensive coach at Penn St in December.
@ Penn St is definitely winnable, but will not be cakewalk as they look improved. Hopefully @ Marquette will pay off in that one.
If, big IF, this team wins B1G it will be because they scheduled tough, took some early hard lessons, and had most of kinks worked out when B1G play hits.
You know Rutgers & Penn State will try it. Baldwin good enough to execute. Can Rutgers coach get their guys to buy into the D needed? Coach certainly good enough. New R kids D will?
But I wouldn't stop there. It's coming from more than those two. A matter of do they have the personnel to execute that type of D will be the difference.
In any case, Purdue will get a heavy dose this whole year.
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We are acting like we've never played teams with good guards. Our guards have faced tough competition before and have come out with a victory.
I think we knew there would be some bumps in the road, but we will get better. We have faced 2 great/tough teams. I believe it was a perfect learning experience for our young guards. This will only make them better and stronger.....mark it!
I think we knew there would be some bumps in the road, but we will get better. We have faced 2 great/tough teams. I believe it was a perfect learning experience for our young guards. This will only make them better and stronger.....mark it!
I'm very nervous this loss is more representative of who purdue is than the alabama win. We will see. It really highlighted that we will get crushed versus hard hedges and have zero interior defense until proven otherwise.
The defensive execution, anticipation and ability of those M guards was elite. It is their identity and they are well coached towards those defensive principles.
We will see it tried again. Often. Only a very few will be their equal.
Gravy.
Looking at team needs his rebounding is his most important role.
Sure he needs to hit the open 3 like Greg Effert did, but rebounding hustle and D central to his role. He can do that well at a 40+% clip last year. But team needs Rs & D out of the 4, that's crucial above all to team success. We have multiple people that can hit an open 3 though, so it's the other things we need from the 4, that he can & needs to provide.
100% agree, great post
Braden could improve quickly with three minor steps. He's done at least one of these before in a single season, so he can do it again:
1) No more jump passes (I have been harping on this since his frosh year - Paint broke him of this habit last year, but it's back. Brought me flash backs of his Northwestern game.
2) No more one-handed or lazy passes - commentators pointed this out multiple times, and they were 100% correct.
3) No more chirping at the refs - it sets a bad tone and is a bad look. Fletch needs to stop as well, they both need to set an example for the underclassmen. This one really grates on me.
Heide really gas chance to be ruler of small ball 4, he needs to go all in and also run a few plays for him
I'm not nervous at all. Way too early in the season to be anyway.. especially considering we are not going to learn how to play without Zach overnight.
The truth is likely somewhere between beating Bama and the loss and I also would add that the Bama game may have taken some gas out of the team as I have little doubt they left it all on the court against Bama considering it was at home, they were #2 and it was a battle.
We're a relatively young team as well so will take our lumps this year to make us a contender possibly next year and I am more than okay with that (not that it matters). There is a truckload of talent on this team that is just a handful of games in to a young season where they are all trying to learn their identity.
Also some perspective.. this is basically a "rebuilding" year for us and we are still a top 20 team. And it was done all without having to go out and buy a team and hope it works. This team is very capable and by March I have little doubt they will put it all together at just the right time.
Would you rather them play cupcakes/bad teams and be undefeated prior to playing a real team in December and then see how bad they are? This is a great way to learn and improve. This team is second youngest in the B1G, they’re still learning. We, as fans, have been soiled for 3 years with a Well established/veteran team that already knew the system. Typically, teams learn in November and December and start to ascend in mid January into February and carry to March. THATS what I want to see. If we are still like this consistently at that point in the season, then I’ll be disappointed.
But you learn nothing about your team if you’re scared and having them play vs teams that aren’t near your talent/skill level.
If your team lost by 20, alarm bells would be going off because IU made sure to not schedule a team that’s worth a damn. So if one of those teams did beat IU, it’d make sense for you to be “shredding your team”instead, IU would rather puff their chests out and try to talk about Purdue and how they’re not very good because “we lost by close to 20 for the first time in 3 years to a non conf opponent”.
In the last two years, IU lost by 20+ at KU, lost to UConn by 20 (without Castle). So MAYBE if you guys beat Louisville, you’ll have an opportunity to play Gonzaga or Arizona (who doesn’t look very good this year). But I’d have to imagine Gonzaga will wipe the floor with this IU team.
I know you’ll point to KU at IU last year and losing barely there, but that’s because that KU team hadn’t played together much and wasn’t very good/overrated all year.
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Big wins over bad/good teams= good
Any win over a good team= good
Close wins over bad teams= bad
Big losses to any team= bad
No team is in a place, even UConn, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, to go "man that 20 point loss was a great loss." Numbers matter, especially in the world of the NET.
Big wins over bad/good teams= good
Any win over a good team= good
Close wins over bad teams= bad
Big losses to any team= bad
Yup. Indiana got whooped in some games. Indiana got whooped by Kansas and there were clearly problem afterwards and they finally found some footing after figuring out their problems from getting blasted(that team ended up whooping up on Purdue twice remember). Last year got whooped by UConn and they never figured it out. But last year's team didn't have it figured out from the very beginning anyways because they were good. Kel'el Ware was good, but it takes more than one.
Not all 20 point losses are the same (it was 18 btw). The Marquette game was a 6 point game at the under 8 timeout. They kept us at arms length throughout but the final score was window dressing.
You likely should spend a lot more time worrying about your bought team than what we post about OUR team here on a PURDUE forum.
We'll see wins and losses how we want to contrary to what you want us to think.
We are a long way from competing with these guards , UCon showed us this last year.
agree, BB.....Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, UCLA, Northwestern, Wisconsin and Indiana among many (might as well just list everybody.....haha). Painter can't say it enough times - embrace it and be ready to deal with it and counter.....and don't lose your poise. It's a mindset that can't waiver if you want to be successful. It will take a little time for the freshman, but that's where the leaders need to help them understand quickly.
Expect conference season to be it's usual war.....
We shall see.
That team “whooped on” Purdue? Seriously? lol. And remind me what that IU team accomplished? They didn’t win any sort of championship and got blown out the last game of their season (this has been a trend for Woodson — 30+ by st Mary’s, 15+ by Miami and almost 30+ by Nebraska, which was a 3rd loss to them that year).
I guess IU’s biggest accomplishments are beating purdue and just making the tourney?
Yep, and it's frustrating that 2 of our most athletic perimeter players ( Colvin / Heide ) aren't capable of taking a game over for us in that spot. I can understand Cox and Harris struggling, but Colvin is a headscratcher to me. Is he basically just a 3 point shooter who can throw down electrifying dunks when he has an open path to the rim?
It's called "GROWTH". You learn from the losses, and no one cares by how much. I've never heard a coach say " Well, we lost by 20 points".
Ask Hurley/UConn if they were worried about a loss by 19 to Creighton right before the tournament or a 15 point loss to Seton Hall. Do you understand even the best teams fall to lesser talented teams....its just happens.
Do you think Woody/IU cared about the point difference in the 20 point loss to UConn at home last year!? No, it's a learning experience and work on what went wrong vs. any point spread.
I know you are typical down south fan, but at least have some smarts about basketball.
Alabama is a good program/team, and we proved to the "haters" we still got it. I don't believe losing to Marquette is a bad loss or will even be considered a bad loss. Paint will get things figured out and most likely still be in the upper ranks of the B1G.....as always. Something that team down south isn't used too.
He plays with a chip on his shoulder and seems to also chirp with the opponent. I have no problem with that if it helps him play better. But, what happened at times against Marquette was him simply playing way out of control and right into the way Marquette probably wanted him to play. I often wonder of the opponent can sometimes get into his head and cause him to force too much. IDK. Just speculation.
Unfortunately, he also needs to learn ( and I think he is based on facial expressions) that he can't trust Berg or Furst to finish around the rim when he hits them with a very nice feed. Berg is just too slow and unathletic. Furst can take an open layup / flush and give the D enough time to block the shot. We despirately need Furst to figure out how to beat the defense to the rim.
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Incredibly ignorant, shows a complete lack of understanding of the importance of culture. Again, not at all surprising from an IU fan, where there hasn't been a positive, consistent culture in almost 25 years.
I like to see him chirping with the opponent, but chirping at refs isn’t OK. I can watch the NBA for that.
Yep. We knew it would be a roller coaster year, with the tough schedule and freshmen playing prominent roles. I'll enjoy watching the growth and evolution as they learn to play as a team at both ends.
Both have proven so far to just be catch and shoot guys. If either of them can develop an attack game, our ceiling goes higher. Neither has shown an ability to put the ball on the floor and attack. We'll see if they can. Colvin has certainly improved his defense and rebounding. Cam has also showed some rebounding. Having the ability to breakdown a defense is more difficult IMO.
We have a very young team. It is going to take a little while to gel. We are going to have nights where we could beat anyone in the country and have nights where we are going to struggle against an inferior opponent.
We are weak at the 5 obviously with the loss of Jacobsen. Berg can body with opponents, but he is going to get into foul trouble with more athletic bigs, since he can be slow to recover. Burgess needs a lot more experience. TKR can play the 5, but he would be better in an ideal world at the 4.
This team lost a lot of experience and talent with Gillis, Jones and Edey gone. Yes, Smith and Loyer are upperclassman now, but this is a different team. We are going to be ok. There are going to be nights like Marquette during this season, but I think the guys will come together as the season goes on.
We are weak at the 5 obviously with the loss of Jacobsen. Berg can body with opponents, but he is going to get into foul trouble with more athletic bigs, since he can be slow to recover. Burgess needs a lot more experience. TKR can play the 5, but he would be better in an ideal world at the 4.
This team lost a lot of experience and talent with Gillis, Jones and Edey gone. Yes, Smith and Loyer are upperclassman now, but this is a different team. We are going to be ok. There are going to be nights like Marquette during this season, but I think the guys will come together as the season goes on.
Agree with most of the comments but think it would have been a much different game if we attacked the press to score.
Marquette's strategy was to force Purdue to use clock prior to reaching half court. This resulted in them playing aggressive half court D for a shorter period of time. We could have had numerous 3 on 2 opportunities by breaking the press with longer passes instead of relying on Braden to essentially bring the ball up himself.
Marquette's strategy was to force Purdue to use clock prior to reaching half court. This resulted in them playing aggressive half court D for a shorter period of time. We could have had numerous 3 on 2 opportunities by breaking the press with longer passes instead of relying on Braden to essentially bring the ball up himself.
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