And beating IU should be like our National Championship according to the rah rah's?
Good grief. He will have had 1.5 decades to get the job done. He has also had the facilities and the resources. What sour grapes would he have?
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You whiney negatwats have got to be the most clueless bunch on here. You're even making IU fans look smart right now.
Go root for another team. You won't be missed.
Literally NO ONE would miss if you quit commenting here. No substance.
Weak post there negatwat. But then again I didn't expect much to begin with.
I bring more substance than you ever have there queen derp. I guarantee I am better than you. And it's not even up for debate. Now go play with your barbies like a good queen derp derp. And no, your parents don't love you.
First, I had assumed you made the number one crap up to fit your narrative...and you had.
Second, No one on this board knows jack about who is the most important in Painters mind, but there are several who like to think that they do.
If I had to guess, #2 of the in state options is reasonable but who knows where that fits with all 2017 possibles from out of state.
I will wait and see what happens once the entire class is signed as opposed to reveling in negativism with every commitment that doesn't go Purdue's way.
Buck up though. Maybe Painter will fail utterly and you can enjoy being right while watching your favorite team suck.
I used to post here eons ago under another name and I have to say after reading through this thread, you all should be ashamed. It is straight up embarrassing how some of you act.
Grow up. All of you.
Grow up. All of you.
I must just enjoy pain because I honestly think a part of me really enjoys that Purdue under Painter routinely misses out on these guys and is left to build a team from guys like Vince Edwards, Basil Smotherman, Carsen Edwards, Dakota, and Cline, etc.
I'm as excited to see what the mystery box labeled Jacquil Taylor brings this year as I am following the Wilkes, Scruggs, JJJ, Williams recruitments.
Don't get me wrong - I definitely wanted Williams at Purdue as bad as any recruit not named Swanigan - but a part of me enjoyed this being over and a little voice in my head went
"Heh, saw that miss coming - now give us the next Vince Edwards (Kyle Young)."
I'm as excited to see what the mystery box labeled Jacquil Taylor brings this year as I am following the Wilkes, Scruggs, JJJ, Williams recruitments.
Don't get me wrong - I definitely wanted Williams at Purdue as bad as any recruit not named Swanigan - but a part of me enjoyed this being over and a little voice in my head went
"Heh, saw that miss coming - now give us the next Vince Edwards (Kyle Young)."
I'm not totally convinced your right but I must say that is about the most well constructed argument I have seen from the fire Painter side of this argument that started in March.
Well done.
I'm going to regret jumping in on this, but 2 of those 3 schools regularly sign less heralded recruiting classes than Painter.
You guys also have to rememver that last year, as a Senior, AJ Hammons was better than any of the 5 star FR
He was better than Zimmerman, Labissiere, Rabb, Stone, Jeter, Swanigan, etc.
There's a good chance that, as juniors, 4 stars Vince Edwards and Isaac Haas will be much better than the vast majority of this years 5 star freshmen.
So you can win with 4 stars if you develop them correctly.
Painters problem is he hasn't really developed any truly good point guards lately, which has held Purdue back despite having talented players such as Hammons, Haas, Edwards, etc.
He was better than Zimmerman, Labissiere, Rabb, Stone, Jeter, Swanigan, etc.
There's a good chance that, as juniors, 4 stars Vince Edwards and Isaac Haas will be much better than the vast majority of this years 5 star freshmen.
So you can win with 4 stars if you develop them correctly.
Painters problem is he hasn't really developed any truly good point guards lately, which has held Purdue back despite having talented players such as Hammons, Haas, Edwards, etc.
Kinda like your posts on the national board.......which consist of "My Dad can beat up your Dad" arguments with IU fans. In addition, on that board you defend everything Purdue, including Painter and the team. Yet here you whiz all over them. You have an evil twin or just love picking fights?
Thinking some are just old iu/rivals guys who have returned during the boring off season
I sure hope so. This forum has turned to a joke because of it and is the reason many of us left long ago.
I just don't want to get into this, but you are right. Keady's last years were not great and the injuries to Robbie really hurt Matt. The void when those players were here and people wanting immediate playing time coupled with the budget restrictions all made it more difficult to land the first choice players. That said, getting solid players ...with many being 4 star players that want to be part of a team and will work individually to get better will land Purdue good teams consistently. The jump by being consistently good will open the door to 5 player down the road ...all said knowing that 5 star players can be busts as well. Now, does Purdue transition to playing two 4's or does it maintain a legitimate 5 on the team?
This is a great analysis. I know some on here want some instant gratification but it isn't happening.
Painter made mistakes in recruiting and had the limitations you mentioned which made for a few years of bleakness. That said I think things are changing for the better and we are getting solid players like CE, VE, cline, Dakota, Haas, etc which will only open the doors to players like a Biggie or other 5 stars and get us tourney success.
Also another note is the game itself drastically changed with the new rules and that impacted us more than other teams because of the type of defense we played.
I get that some don't like CMP and probably never will and that is their right. Myself I am a wait and see kind of person and save a season tanking like before, Matt will have at least until his contract is up to show us all something. He is hands done an above average coach, let's hope he can take that next step to being a great coach.
I agree. Last season's team was very talented and well coached, overall, but the lack of a dynamic guard caught up with it. The root of the problem, IMO, was the fact that neither RJ or Scott worked out. After the awful season two years ago, Painter emphasized focusing on "fit" more than he had in the past. i think that, if he can avoid multiple total misses at one position, Painter can be very successful building around players in the 50-150 range.
Someday the coach we pay millions of dollars to will get it all figured out. Unfortunately, if he does not reload with a HUGE amount of talent this year, our team is once again in the toilet. Since he took last year off, he cannot take developmental/ two-year-to play-type players. There is now a gap in our classes that a four year squad like ours cannot afford. We probably lose our entire front court after this season.
And the "fit" argument is total BS. Many of the non-fit player were rebounds after we misssed on the upper-tier guys. And GW was a "fit" guy.
Bryson was a very early commitment and Painter took RJ when he arguably didn't have room, before Molluck decommitted. They were both poor fits for Painter's expectations.
Missing Glynn Watson hurt, but I think that the RJ situation made a bad impression on recruits like Watson and CJ Walker.
I do agree that Painter needs to land a deep class with several 150 recruits.
if we lose biggie and Vince, we will need a couple top 50-75 players to avoid a setback. If everyone comes back we can afford to sign just 76-150 players.
I'm not worried, yet. If we don't sign at least 2 of Tillman, Jackson, Eastern, and Young, then I will be concerned.
I will say it does put extra emphasis on getting instant impact players from the 2018 class.
But I say lets let the entire 2017 recruiting class play out before we hit the panic button. And keep in mind that 2 of our 3 best players committed elsewhere before signing with us.
I'm worried about losing Biggie, Vince AND Haas. We still have no (known) PG after next year either. Hopefully they never take away the 5th year transfer rule since it is our established PG recruiting method. Honestly I'm sweating.
If we have the leap in success next year that many think, losing all three is definitely possible and would make the following year a huge challenge. Sort of a good problem, but we have maintained very unbalanced classes to support a gap like that short term.
I doubt that any of the three will be projected as first rounders. My guess is that Swanigan will leave, but Edwards and Haas return.
What I would like to see happen is all three leave and get drafted in the first round, but that seems highly unlikely.
If they are going to go, let's pray they go in the first round. At least CMP could sell that
Absolutely, but I think that all three going in the first round is extremely unlikely.
IMO, Haas is not close to being NBA ready and I will be very surprised if he makes enough strides defensively to leave after this season.
Edwards could get there, but only if he has a great season, He's also not close to being a first rounder at the moment.
Regarding two 4's vs a 5 and 4 combo...you play the most talent. If it's two 4's it's two fours. If you have high level 5, play him. We have seen Painter play both ways over twelve years. Both have worked.
Right now I don't give a shit about recruiting I just want the season to get here . I think this team can be really good we should be solid at every position. So I say let's all stop bitching and let's see what Matt Painter can do this year with this team. I do leave everybody with one question . What would you consider a failure this year? I know one thing it has to be better than a first-round exit. If that happens again every Matt Painter supporter needs just to stop stop arguing your point if that happens. If he gets to a final four the rest of us needs to shut up to. I have true passion for Purdue basketball one thing I would like to see is the whole fan base together I think with consistent deep runs in the tournament that would solve that issue everybody would be happy so let's go do it Matt Painter prove everybody wrong. Go Purdue
I agree he needs to move past the first round and more then likely the sweet 16 as well.
I on the other hand have no clue why people are so adamant about having him fired.
I also lived through the Keady tenure and realize things aren't always ass good or bad as they seem.
But this year we should be in the running to win the league. Be one of the teams favored to be in the B1G championship game and at least get to the sweet 16. If Haas can stay on the flier 20 minutes or more? We should be very good barring injury.
I on the other hand have no clue why people are so adamant about having him fired.
I also lived through the Keady tenure and realize things aren't always ass good or bad as they seem.
But this year we should be in the running to win the league. Be one of the teams favored to be in the B1G championship game and at least get to the sweet 16. If Haas can stay on the flier 20 minutes or more? We should be very good barring injury.
I have to read again what I wrote, but think I was talking about recruiting. Statistically, there are more 4's body wise that legit 5's and I think the clock and perimeter calls are better suited for 2 fours. I agree you play the best team, but is there a preference going forward. I think Matt also prefers lefty players when all else is the same
I thought this was the kid who cared about academics??
NO?? (obviously not. UoLCC cesspool/shithole school)
Refresh my memory, bros...Wasn't there a high recruit interested in ENG at PU??
NO?? (obviously not. UoLCC cesspool/shithole school)
Refresh my memory, bros...Wasn't there a high recruit interested in ENG at PU??
Oh yeah, missed that. As much as I love a good back to the basket big, I think power 4 with a stretch 4 combo might be the way to go moving forward. But if you had a really good traditional 5 liking your program, I'd adjust. Never turn down really good anything.
