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Malik Williams commits to Louisville

BoilerDaddy said:
Swanigan didn't prove Einstein wrong, but he did demonstrate that Einstein's quote regularly gets taken out of context.

Is anybody really surprised that Williams committed to Louisville? Pitino is one of three active coaches with multiple national championships and Louisville has one of the richest athletic departments in the country. Painter is going to lose to him head to head more often than not. So is just about every other coach. At this point, Purdue is at a level where landing top 50 recruits is very difficult, but Swanigan is proof that it can be done. There just will be more misses than hits when targeting that level of recruit.
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WEll said. I'm a little surprised, but not a lot. I hate saying this, but perhaps he saw his body more ACC than BIG and leaned to a pressing game with perhaps more 3's although he would have had the chance at a 3 ball at Purdue. It is possible that Malik got caught up in the stars and just saw U of L as a better fit for a variety of reasons. I wanted him, but not sure Purdue hasn't been on Jackson longer, but that is all conjecture. Also, today Jackson is more versatile. Teh problem is I've never felt as good with his dad having Georgetown ties. It could be that Purdue lands Theo John and Tillman?...kyle young?
 
This one hurts, but not as badly as Tyler Zeller a few years back. He along with JJ and Hummel would have had hung a banner and changed the direction of the program.
With that said-UofL is a good program, historically better than us, they have a superb arena to play in, Pitino is a great coach whether you like his personal actions or not, they won a National Championship just a few years ago. Painter has to show he can make a deep run in the tourney and have continued success in the Tourney, he hasn't yet at Purdue. What do we offer that UofL doesn't, except closer to home?
 
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JohnHoosierr said:
Pretty much how I feel as well. Sounds like we'll probably get a kid or two in the 75 to 150 range and continue to be good but not great with early ncaa exits.
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But according to TC4three, as long as you make the tourney, that's good enough. One of these years, you'll be 'lucky' enough to make the Final Four.
He's doesn't think it's important to get highly rank kids either.
 
You guys all realize that both IU and MSU lost out on Williams too, right? Those powerful recruiting juggernauts failed to bring in a top recruit. I didn't think IU does very well with in-state kids because of Crean, but for MSU to let this one slip by is just... wow!

I guess we are going to see similar hand wringing and woe-is-me reactions every time one of the kids we are recruiting decides to go elsewhere. Makes for interesting reading. I can find a lot of weird psychology in some of our fans, and notoriously short memories combined with just awful basketball knowledge.

...but hey, it is a free board. People are welcome to make fools of themselves. Boiler up!

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Dakota Girl said:
He was #1 priority for this board. Did Painter state that he was #1?
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No Painter has not stated Williams was #1 priority. But then he cannot comment on recruits, that would be a violation.

You know and everyone else knows Williams was either #1 or #2.

So far Painter is putting up a big oh-fer for 2017 recruits since the contract extension.
 
DG10 said:
While Malik was not the only good player in the 2017 class, he was one of the most talented and one that everyone for quite some team deemed Purdue to be in the mix for with a great opportunity to get him...yet, in the end, just like in so many other cases (including every case this year), Painter and staff failed to land any of the nationally relevant players from the state...THAT is what is actually amazing...that year after year he and his staff can let elite national level players leave the state.
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That's the biggest problem.....If Painter can't pull a top kid from the Fort, which Purdue should own recruitingwise, how's he going to compete outside of the state for top talent?
 
M51 said:
You know and everyone else knows Williams was either #1 or #2.
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You have no freakin clue how high of a priority Williams was. None. Zero. Zip. Your perception of what you view as a priority is no where close to reality.

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but the sheer lack of basketball knowledge by the whiners is simply astounding.
 
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bonefish1 said:
That's the biggest problem.....If Painter can't pull a top kid from the Fort, which Purdue should own recruitingwise, how's he going to compete outside of the state for top talent?
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Go ask Haas. Oh wait, you probably don't consider him top talent, even though he is, because it goes against your narrative.
 
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bonefish1 said:
But according to TC4three, as long as you make the tourney, that's good enough. One of these years, you'll be 'lucky' enough to make the Final Four.
He's doesn't think it's important to get highly rank kids either.
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I think it's important to win during the season. Do that, and I don't care what the recruiting rankings say.

You, on the other hand, want to throw away seasons 3 and 4 years down the road when one kid commits to Louisville.

And yes, making the tournament is good enough for me. If I never see Purdue make a Final Four I will be just fine with that. I sure as hell am not going to throw an internet temper tantrum every time a target commits to another school. Nice life bonefish1!
 
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Kesselschmiede said:
You have no freakin clue how high of a priority Williams was. None. Zero. Zip. Your perception of what you view as a priority is no where close to reality.

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but the sheer lack of basketball knowledge by the whiners is simply astounding.
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Would you also insist we have no clue how high of a priority Jaren Jackson is to the staff?
 
Kesselschmiede said:
Go ask Haas. Oh wait, you probably don't consider him top talent, even though he is, because it goes against your narrative.
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I think, by definition, "top talent" can only be the players you don't land.

By extension, the "big game" is always the most important game you lost.
 
Kesselschmiede said:
Go ask Haas. Oh wait, you probably don't consider him top talent, even though he is, because it goes against your narrative.
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Yeh, Haas was such a top talent we had to beat out the mighty UAB program for his services.
Haas is the classic 'diamond in the rough' type of player the football team uses tries to find.
 
bonefish1 said:
That's the biggest problem.....If Painter can't pull a top kid from the Fort, which Purdue should own recruitingwise, how's he going to compete outside of the state for top talent?
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Just because PU has had success recruiting kids from Fort Wayne doesn't mean every one of them will go there. I live in Fort Wayne and I promise you it is not a PU town. CMP has recruited well here, but to think every kid he recruits from here will go to PU is ridiculous.
 
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BBG said:
Haas and Vince turned out to be absolute studs and for the most part I think Painter does a great job of getting the talent he needs to be successful. And yes, contrary to some, he has been successful. Just not to the levels we all I think want to see...... yet.

Now that is not to say CMP hasn't made mistakes, he most certainly has. But ALL coaches do. And it is taking a bit longer than some like, but so far I think Painter is really starting to build a foundation for a very successful Program and something that could possibly be a long term thing. It's just not happening as fast as some would like.
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Haas and Vince are "absolute studs" relative to who? Unless you are using the term very loosely...or are using it relative to past Purdue players that Painter has recruited, then I think your definition of "absolute stud" is a very generous one.

Define successful as well for that matter...again, relative to who? I would argue that he has not even been successful when considering Purdue basketball history (other than by Purdue standards), never mind the genuine better programs within the conference...and certainly nationally.

He has not succeeded to the levels we all want to see "yet"? It is not as if he just got there or has not had time to already build the "Program" that you allude to. And, because he has them in the situation that he does presently due to past recruiting mishaps/mistakes/failures where he absolutely HAS to have success to a level that he has not consistently been able to during his time, that "Program" is in a very precarious situation actually...he either hits big and does indeed have a foundation from which to continue to build on moving forward, or, he misses (again) and he has the program right back to where it was just a few years ago (because of the fact that he was not able to succeed in recruiting then either).

Finally, I love the idle threat that if he flames out...again...that THAT will be enough to raise a flag maybe or some questions...as the flame out two years ago (on the heels of not even making the tournament for a couple of years) and brutal one this past year are not sufficient reason to have some concerns or questions...
 
bonefish1 said:
Yeh, Haas was such a top talent we had to beat out the mighty UAB program for his services.
Haas is the classic 'diamond in the rough' type of player the football team uses tries to find.
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Haas was a top 80 recruit I believe. Not a diamond in the rough. He was a 4 star recruit. He comitted to Wake Forest and then came here.

I don't know if you're just really stupid or purposefully dense. Neither is a good look.
 
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DG10 said:
Haas and Vince are "absolute studs" relative to who? Unless you are using the term very loosely...or are using it relative to past Purdue players that Painter has recruited, then I think your definition of "absolute stud" is a very generous one.

Define successful as well for that matter...again, relative to who? I would argue that he has not even been successful when considering Purdue basketball history (other than by Purdue standards), never mind the genuine better programs within the conference...and certainly nationally.

He has not succeeded to the levels we all want to see "yet"? It is not as if he just got there or has not had time to already build the "Program" that you allude to. And, because he has them in the situation that he does presently due to past recruiting mishaps/mistakes/failures where he absolutely HAS to have success to a level that he has not consistently been able to during his time, that "Program" is in a very precarious situation actually...he either hits big and does indeed have a foundation from which to continue to build on moving forward, or, he misses (again) and he has the program right back to where it was just a few years ago (because of the fact that he was not able to succeed in recruiting then either).

Finally, I love the idle threat that if he flames out...again...that THAT will be enough to raise a flag maybe or some questions...as the flame out two years ago (on the heels of not even making the tournament for a couple of years) and brutal one this past year are not sufficient reason to have some concerns or questions...
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Haas and Edwards are easily 2 top 15 players in the conference. Easily. So, i'd say they are pretty good. If Haas just equals his per 40 production from before in more playing time he'll be 1st team All BIG C. Edwards has a good shot to be 1st or second team. I don't think you realize how good he is. I don't think HE realizes how good he is as he has never had to be the #1 option for the team.
 
Kesselschmiede said:
You have no freakin clue how high of a priority Williams was. None. Zero. Zip. Your perception of what you view as a priority is no where close to reality.

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but the sheer lack of basketball knowledge by the whiners is simply astounding.
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Why don't you post something worthwhile. All you do is trash anyone and everyone that you may not be in agreement. Tell me Sir DH, what is the reality of Williams. Is it your opinion that he was just a low level, take it or leave it recruit.?

And I'm not whining. Stating a pint of view, also known as an opinion. If you don't agree, then post something worthy. Otherwise, shut your hole of a sewer.
 
Dryfly88 said:
Just because PU has had success recruiting kids from Fort Wayne doesn't mean every one of them will go there. I live in Fort Wayne and I promise you it is not a PU town. CMP has recruited well here, but to think every kid he recruits from here will go to PU is ridiculous.
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THIS...it's not like he didn't try. /thread
 
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Haas and Edwards are easily 2 top 15 players in the conference. Easily. So, i'd say they are pretty good. If Haas just equals his per 40 production from before in more playing time he'll be 1st team All BIG C. Edwards has a good shot to be 1st or second team. I don't think you realize how good he is. I don't think HE realizes how good he is as he has never had to be the #1 option for the team.
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I don't disagree with the notion that they are pretty good...don't disagree at all...but, to date, neither would qualify as an "absolute stud".

Haas' per 40 is phenomenal...unfortunately, due to fouls and physical limitations, he will never play 40. He certainly is capable of being All-B1G, and he may very well earn the honor, but he is not a lock by any means.

Edwards is very talented...but has been incredibly inconsistent unfortunately. He too is capable of being All-B1G, but he was capable of the same a year ago and did not even sniff it. Being talented is not enough though...that has been shown time and again at Purdue, but certainly at other places as well. Very talented player with the skill set and ability to be one of the best in the conference, but to deem him an "absolute stud" is facetious.
 
BoilerDeac said:
Like the great Albert Einstein said, the definition of crazy is repeating the same behaviors/doing the same thing over an over again, and expecting different results.

It's not that people are whining, but we've all seen this same story play out over, and over, and over again.

Painter whiffs on top dogs, ends up getting a bunch of fringe 4 star and solid 3 star players, and Purdue is average to solid/good, but nothing special.

The E'Twaun/Hummel/Jajuan class is the last we've seen of elite recruiting by Purdue; not surprisingly, that was the last elite team(s) that Purdue had.
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FYI that quote is misattributed to Einstein.
 
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DG10 said:
I don't disagree with the notion that they are pretty good...don't disagree at all...but, to date, neither would qualify as an "absolute stud".

Haas' per 40 is phenomenal...unfortunately, due to fouls and physical limitations, he will never play 40. He certainly is capable of being All-B1G, and he may very well earn the honor, but he is not a lock by any means.

Edwards is very talented...but has been incredibly inconsistent unfortunately. He too is capable of being All-B1G, but he was capable of the same a year ago and did not even sniff it. Being talented is not enough though...that has been shown time and again at Purdue, but certainly at other places as well. Very talented player with the skill set and ability to be one of the best in the conference, but to deem him an "absolute stud" is facetious.
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He's never been the #1 option. Either of them. They've been good so far, no reason that they won't take a huge step ahead.
 
Everybody needs to stop whining Purdue will never get to a final four just face it Matt Painter coached teams will never get to a Elite 8 sweet 16 is our final four we have a hard time getting to that. I've been a fan for over 30 years 30 straight years we've been talking about a final four that's never going to happen. I have a better chance of hitting the lottery twice .
 
M51 said:
Why don't you post something worthwhile. All you do is trash anyone and everyone that you may not be in agreement. Tell me Sir DH, what is the reality of Williams. Is it your opinion that he was just a low level, take it or leave it recruit.?

And I'm not whining. Stating a pint of view, also known as an opinion. If you don't agree, then post something worthy. Otherwise, shut your hole of a sewer.
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You are whining. Plain and simple and now you're butthurt because you've been called out on it. You want me to respond with something worthy? Try posting something worthwhile, just once. Ever. All you have done is make unfounded claims based on your own lack of basketball knowledge.

I responded to your claim of knowing what priority Williams was and you respond with the predictable whine on being called out on it. Your problem not mine.
 
But it is funny getting on here and watching people talk about the same thing we was talking about 30 years ago still same old conversation.
 
In 12 years we've only been to the Sweet 16 what once or twice that's it but that's good. I don't know why I expect more than that we are in a hotbed for recruits
 
As Purdue fans and alumni, we love our university. However, we have to be honest when looking at these situations. It is hard for Purdue to get top level talent, 5 star or top 30 talent, in basketball. We have not had the NBA pipeline and tournament success that other programs have had. This is not just a Painter problem. Keady had the same problem. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule, Big Dog, Moore, Swanigan, etc. However, those are exceptions to the rule, not the rule. With the success of Brees in the NFL, you would have thought we would have gotten 5 star QBs every year there for a few years. However, it did not happen. Purdue can be a tough sell for certain recruits due to facilities and other items. I love Mackey, but the Yum Center is an incredible facility. It has the things that the younger generation looks for and wants. With greater postseason wins, we might win recruits like this on a regular basis. I think we have to accept that we have a better shot at the top 60 to 150 with an occasional Swanigan type win from time to time.
 
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Yeah the basketball team is not as bad as the football team but yes we're that far away from a final four
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No, not really. That is just being unrealistc, sorry.

For one thing the basketball program was ranked high last year and has a ton of potential this year. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you since it is like you are just choosing to be bleak about things.
 
I'm sorry for being a Purdue fan that wants to see a national championship guess that's asking for too much. If I would have known 30 something years ago that Purdue accept being just average I would have chose to be an IU fan like the rest of my dumbass family.
 
Schools that's not even better than Purdue get 5 Star recruits so why can't we it's called having a coach that can recruit those type of players
 
Last time I checked Cuonzo Martin got like what three of them last year at California first-year coaching there. When was the last time California was good in basketball I answer that for you Jason Kidd was there
 
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